What Lu Zhou has not thought that when he arrives at the hotel lobby, old man who not only Professor Li here, two he has not known. 陆舟没有想到的是,当他来到酒店大堂,不只是李教授在这里,还有两位他不认识的老者。 And looks that looks familiar, but cannot name the character, as for another, he did not know completely. 其中一位看着面熟但叫不出名字,至于另一位,他完全就不认识。 Has a question, Lu Zhou to look to Professor Li Rongen. 带着一丝疑问,陆舟看向李荣恩教授。 „Two are?” “两位是？” Professor Li at heart is actually very helpless. 李教授其实心里挺无奈的。 Originally he had planned two days in the Lu Zhou contact, inquired the matter of patent authorization, but never expected that bumped halfway was also participating in MRS conference Dean Li in next door institute, moreover side also followed this big shot. 本来他是打算过两天在和陆舟接触下,打听打听专利授权的事情,但没想到半路碰着了也来参加m会议的隔壁化院的黎院长,而且旁边还跟着这位大佬。 According to Lebanese chief, starting from the morning, he has been making the Lu Zhou phone call, but relation not on person. 据黎院长说,从早上开始,他一直在打陆舟的电话,但是联系不上人。 Thinks that Dean Li helped himself much, in addition side the big shot background is too big, Professor Li must help. 想到黎院长帮了自己不少,再加上旁边的这位大佬来头太大,李教授也只得帮了这个忙。 As for matter of patent, it seems like waited to chat next time again. 至于专利的事情,看来得等下次再聊了。 „I under the introduction, this is the member of our energy relevant authority, Lü Kaimin......” “我来介绍下,这位是咱们能源相关部门的一把手,吕开民……” „Any member, I by personal come, according to here custom, calling my Mr. Lü to be good,” shook the hand of Lu Zhou warmly, Lü Kaimin has not been exhibiting any rack, said frank with a smile, „greeting on first meeting Professor land the given name, always heard you to be young and promising, today sees, you legend was younger.” “什么一把手,我是以私人来的,按这里的习惯,叫我吕先生就好了,”热情地握着陆舟的手,吕开民并没有摆出任何架子,爽朗地笑着说道,“久仰陆教授大名了,总听人说您年轻有为,今天一见,您比传说中的还要年轻啊。” Was made by the enthusiasm of this big shot somewhat accidentally/surprisingly, person but who Lu Zhou also has seeing the world, shakes hand with him politely. 被这位大佬的热情弄得有些意外,不过陆舟也不是没有见过世面的人,礼貌地和他握了握手。 „Overpraised, Mr. Lü is good!” “过誉了,吕先生好！” Professor Li continues to introduce: „This is we melts the chief in institute, Dean Li Shuwen.” 李教授继续介绍:“这位是咱们化院的院长,黎书文院长。” „Hello......” “您好您好……” Station speech inadequate courtesy. 站着说话不成礼数。 After one exchanged greetings, the people looked for a restaurant near the hotel. 一番寒暄之后,众人在酒店附近找了一家餐厅。 The specification of this restaurant is not upscale, but is not low, mainly supplies the Boston comparison to have the characteristics vegetable/dish. 这家餐厅的规格不算高档,但也不低,主要供应波士顿当地比较有特色的菜。 When on the road, Lu Zhou knew, here Dean Li comes to participate in MRS conference. 在路上的时候,陆舟得知,黎院长是来这边参加m会议的。 As for member Venerable Lü of relevant departments, then by the academic tour of personal name application, comes with Dean Li. 至于有关部门的一把手吕老先生,则是以私人的名义申请的学术访问,和黎院长一起来的。 In eating meal, Lu Zhou and Professor Li and Dean Li as well as this Mr. Lü chatted the matter about lithium battery pond. 在吃饭的时候,陆舟和李教授、黎院长以及这位吕先生聊了很多关于锂电池方面的事情。 Chatted is chatting, the topic arrived in the issue of patent quickly. 聊着聊着,话题很快就到了专利的问题上。 Mr. Lü: „Heard that Professor land was authorized the negative electrode material to Umicore?” 吕先生:“听说陆教授将负极材料授权给了优美科？” The Lu Zhou nod said: „Yes, what issue has?” 陆舟点头道:“是的,有什么问题吗？” „Does not have the issue, is only a little small suggestion, asking Professor land do not misunderstand,” Mr. Lü smiles, after clearing throat, with the earnest tone said, „matter was this, about the modified pdms membranous material domestic patent authorization, we supported all your legitimate rights and interests absolutely. Hopes, you when choice partner, which enterprise regardless of chooses in which approaches to cooperation, but please do not sell the sole right to the foreign enterprises.” “没有问题,只是有一点小小的建议,请陆教授千万不要误会了,”吕先生笑了笑,清了清嗓子后,用认真的语气说道,“事情是这样的,关于改性pdms薄膜材料在国内的专利授权,我们绝对支持你的一切合法权益。只是希望,你在选择合作伙伴时,无论选择哪家企业以哪种合作方式,但请不要将独占权出售给外企。” Actually, had such a offensive request, but also was helpless action. 其实,提出这么一个唐突的请求,但也是无奈之举。 China is the world's largest electricity Bullet train consumer market, with the breakthrough of lithium battery pond technology, what can foresee will be the domestic lithium battery industry will welcome the stage of vigorous development. 华国是全球最大的电动车消费市场,随着锂电池技术的突破,可以预见的是国内锂电产业将迎来蓬勃发展的阶段。 The positive electrode said fortunately, the patent of limo2 this kind of anode material has expired, elects with not to have the issue casually casually. 正极都还好说,limo2这类正极材料的专利早就到期了,随便选随便用都没问题。 But the key of lithium battery pond technology, is the lithium negative electrode material, rather than positive electrode. If the patent of lithium negative electrode material had by the foreign enterprises in the hand, regarding the domestic battery enterprise, was equal to without doubt was caught the water source of upstream. 但锂电池技术的关键,是锂负极材料,而非正极。如果锂负极材料的专利权被外企掌握在手上,对于国内的电池企业来说,无疑就等于被卡住了上游的水源。 Venerable Lü the roll-call foreign enterprises, to are not the trade discrimination, but the example of compound prescription wormwood methyl ether comes clearly into view, even was taken the intellectual property the classical case, was placed the country to know in the official site of bureau to show to alert. 吕老先生之所以点名外企,到并非贸易歧视,只是复方蒿甲醚的例子历历在目,甚至被做为知识产权的经典案例,被放在国知局的官网上以示警醒。 Obviously is the technology that research and develop, must be under the control of others in own main house gate, this labor pain compared with being not as skillful as others made one be hard to accept. 明明是自己研发出来的技术,在自己的家门口还得受制于人,这种阵痛比技不如人更令人难以接受。 The relevant departments naturally do not hope that the Lu Zhou low price authorization or model/pattern emerald relieve the patent fee of domestic enterprise, the original intention that after all the patent law has to protect the innovation, lets the social resource inflow research and development domain, encourages the society through the intellectual property creation wealth. 有关部门当然不是希望陆舟低价授权或者范翠免掉国内企业的专利费,毕竟专利法存在的初衷就是为了保护创新,让社会资源流入研发领域,鼓励社会通过知识产权创造财富。 On this basis, the country hopes he to own technology „replaceable” does not have voluntarily, avoids giving the international capital to provide the tool of monopoly domestic market. 只是,在此基础上,国家希望他对自己技术的“不可代替性”有所自觉,避免给国际资本提供垄断国内市场的工具。 After all existence of wto, and flaw in domestic relevant law, causes home to the international capital anti-trust probe the evidence collection rules has a big resistance, on the direct administrative intervention possibly encounters the resistance from other level. 毕竟wto的存在,以及国内相关法律上的缺陷,使得国内对国际资本的反垄断调查无论是取证还是判决都存在不小的阻力,直接上行政干预又可能受到来自别的层面的阻力。 Compares the relevant departments to talk, dialogue that this type holds in a private capacity, without doubt is quite tactful. 相比起有关部门约谈,这种以私人身份进行的对话,无疑比较委婉。 Lu Zhou will certainly unable to guess correctly the meaning of Mr. Lü, even inside the main hall in hotel, he guessed correctly a point a moment ago indistinctly. 陆舟当然不会猜不到吕先生的意思,甚至刚才在酒店的大堂里,他就隐隐约约猜到了一点。 „This you felt relieved, cooperation between I and Umicore, did not involve the domestic market. About the domestic area's patent authorization, I by a just price, will be authorized for all enterprises that plan to enter the negative electrode material production, ensured that the domestic battery manufacturer can by a reasonable price, obtain the raw material of production.” “这个您放心好了,我和优美科之间的合作,并不涉及国内市场。关于国内地区的专利授权,我会以一个公平合理的价格,授权给所有打算进入负极材料生产的企业,确保国内电池制造商能够以一个合理的价格,获得生产的原材料。” „Has Professor land these words, I felt relieved,” on Lü Kaimin face appears the smiling face of feeling relieved, immediately says, „also asked Professor land to feel relieved, regarding your such talent, the country will certainly not make you suffer a loss!” “有陆教授这句话,我就放心了,”吕开民脸上浮现放心的笑容,立刻说道,“也请陆教授放心,对于您这样的人才,国家一定不会让你吃亏！” „Spoke discreetly, where this could discuss anything to suffer a loss.” Lu Zhou smiles, said with the relaxed tone, „Mr. Lü will not come to Boston for this matter. This matter telephoned enough.” “言重了,这哪里谈得上什么吃亏。”陆舟笑了笑,用轻松的口吻说道,“吕先生不会就是为了这事儿来波士顿吧。这种事打个电话就够了。” Lü Kaimin shakes the head: „Not completely for this matter, this is the situation. Actually, my trip original goal, but planned that under visiting you, consult a matter like you while convenient.” 吕开民摇了摇头:“倒不完全是为了这事儿,这是突发情况。其实,我此行原本的目的,只是打算拜访下你,顺便像你请教一件事情。” Lu Zhou: „What matter?” 陆舟:“什么事情？” Lü Kaimin discussed earnestly: „In about the white books of 45 plans , the high level to the instruction that the new energy industry growth issues is, must promote 500 wh / kg the capacity of battery in 2020. Currently speaking, with the breakthrough of lithium battery technology, completes this target to have no difficulty. But the world is also progressing, we cannot only satisfy this. Under regarding the next step developmental strategy, I want to consult your expert opinion.” 吕开民认真谈道:“在关于十三五规划的白皮书中,高层对新能源行业发展做出的指示是,要在2020年时将电池的容量提升到500wh/kg。目前来看,随着锂电技术的突破,完成这一指标已经没有任何难度。但世界也在进步,我们不能只满足于此。对于下一步的发展战略,我想请教下您这位专家的意见。” The Lu Zhou perspiration said: „My does the math, this type of thing is directed the landscape by me, perhaps is not quite appropriate. Related to the thing of national future development strategy, the engineer who you consult the battery domain.” 陆舟汗道:“我一个搞数学的,这种东西由我来指点江山,恐怕不太合适。涉及到国家未来发展战略的东西,您还是请教电池领域的工程师吧。” Lü Kaimin persists in saying: „This saying I do not approve, the academic on thing spoke freely, who said that the opinion of math professor didn't have the reference value? Like our colliders, Venerable Yang's opinion country attaches great importance, Venerable Qiu's opinion country also attaches great importance. Synthesizes everyone's opinion, the wisdom of collection people, can find an appropriate path. About the future of lithium battery pond, but also looks at Professor land not stingy to grant instruction.” 吕开民坚持道:“这话我就不认同了,学术上的东西畅所欲言,谁说数学教授的意见就没有参考价值？就像我们的对撞机,杨老先生的意见国家重视,邱老先生的意见国家也重视。综合所有人的意见,集众人之智慧,才能找到一条合适的道路。关于锂电池的未来,还望陆教授不啬赐教。” That said that but this is completely two matters...... 话是这么说,但这完全是两码事啊…… In the Lu Zhou heart is somewhat helpless. 陆舟心中有些无奈。 How he should explain with this Venerable Lü, although Qiu Chengtong is a mathematician, what research is differential Geometry, but actually others are also the research math physics, calculates half Physics, even if which day took Physics to reward him not to find it strange. After all elderly man's Calaby Qiu manifold, is one of the modern string theory basic concepts. 他该如何和这位吕老先生解释,邱成桐虽然是数学家,研究的是微分几何,但其实别人也是研究数学物理的,算半个物理学家,哪怕哪天拿了个物理学奖他都不觉得奇怪。毕竟老人家的卡拉比-邱流形,可是现代弦论的基本概念之一。 But Lu Zhou he, although by MRS conference on „old swindler” blew calculated material science „industry benchmark”, „one of the lithium battery pond his father”, but his research did not involve the lithium battery pond in fact, the calculated data mostly was also the theoretical value. 而陆舟他自己,虽然被m会议上的“老骗子”们吹成了计算材料学的“行业标杆”,“锂电池他爹之一”,但事实上他的研究并不涉及到锂电池本身,算的数据大多也是理论值。 Asked that his opinion, really might as well ask these produce the battery. 问他的意见,真不如问那些造电池的。 However looked stance that Venerable Lü eagerly seeks people of talent , he if did not say anything, instead queers. 不过看吕老先生求贤若渴的姿态,他要是不说点什么,反而得罪了人。 „...... That I said two casually, do not take seriously.” Lu Zhou thinks, continues saying that „on my view, in the numerous directions of lithium battery pond, the lithium sulfur battery is a very potential direction, the theory of li-s system compared with the energy is 2600 wh / kg. Naturally, it issue that must be solved immediately are also many. For example most difficult shuttle effect, as well as elemental sulfur electronic conductive bad wait.” “……那我就随便说两句吧,您也别当真。”陆舟想了想,继续说道,“就我个人的看法,在锂电池的众多方向中,锂硫电池是一个很有潜力的方向,li-s体系的理论比能量为2600wh/kg。当然,它还亟待解决的问题也很多。比如最棘手的穿梭效应,以及单质硫的电子导电性差等等。” Lü Kaimin quickly asked: „Lithium air battery? Credible?” 吕开民急忙问:“锂空气电池呢？靠谱吗？” Lu Zhou one hear of this saying, then understand immediately he is thinking anything. 陆舟一听这话,立刻便明白了他在想些什么。 In the front domain the layout, everyone's beginning is ahead of time same, therefore also most has possibility ultra brave Ganmei. 在前沿的领域提前布局,大家的起点都一样,因此也是最有可能超英赶美的。 After all in comparison, silicon electricity that lithium battery and in the sodium electricity, the magnesium electricity or the legend roar flamboyant, probably Sony and Samsung this kind of giant already ahead of time layout in patent. 毕竟相比之下,无论是锂电、钠电、镁电还是传说中牛逼哄哄的硅电,像是索尼、三星这类巨头早已在专利上提前布局。 Under such environment, even if you researched and developed, finally possibly cannot get rid of others' patent barrier. Chooses a key research and development direction, naturally is chooses a promising direction more appropriate. 在这样的大环境下,就算你研发出来了,最终可能还是摆脱不了别人的专利壁垒。选择一个重点研发方向,自然是选择一个前景广阔的方向更合适。 However, the jump -type research is also absolutely is even so unrecommendable. 然而即便如此,跃进式的研究也是绝对不可取的。 Especially the lithium empties this gadget...... 尤其是锂空这玩意儿…… Lu Zhou shakes the head: „Very difficult, very difficult...... that thing to put it bluntly, the present stage raises, clarifies deceives after the expense.” 陆舟摇了摇头:“很难,非常难……那东西说白了,现阶段提出来,摆明就是骗经费用的。” Has to acknowledge, the lithium spatial energy density is truly attractive, moreover compared others to study many year of lithium sulfur battery , was also easier to establish own core technologies. 不得不承认,锂空的能量密度确实很诱人,而且相比起别人已经研究了很多年的锂硫电池,也更容易建立起自己的核心技术。 Let alone is ibm this commercial giant, even/including Aoba ordered by the emperor personally former Energy Minister, has taken Comrade Nobel of Physics prize Steven Chu, when the formulation energy development strategy was almost flickered lamely. 别说是ibm这种商业巨头,连奥芭马钦定的前能源部长、拿过诺贝尔物理学奖的朱棣文同志,在制定能源发展战略的时候都差点被人忽悠瘸了。 In the face of the attractive prospect, the issue that the lithium air battery faces is more stern. 在诱人的前景面前,锂空气电池面临的问题更为严峻。 This is not only the lithium dendrites issue, separates a series of complex side reactions from the pure oxygen, any technology was solved, change not only battery industry. 这不仅仅是锂枝晶的问题,从纯氧分离到一系列复杂的副反应,其中任何一个技术被解决,改变的都不只是电池这个行业而已。 By the technology of modern, has to prepare for replying this issue, but does not know where since should from start to answer. 以现代的技术,不是没有做好回答这个问题的准备,而是根本不知道该从哪开始答起。 Lu Zhou actually at heart clear, certainly some people admit in oneself paper and name ppt, takes the concept of lithium spatial battery to deceive the research spending. 陆舟其实心里清楚,一定会有人把自己的论文和名字放进ppt里,拿着锂空电池的概念骗科研经费。 Although matter of scientist cannot call to deceive, but he hopes, the China technical tree can little take a tortuous path, money spends in project that in needs to spend money truly. 虽说科学家的事情不能叫骗,但他还是希望,华国的科技树能少走一点弯路,将钱花在真正需要用钱的项目上。 Even these projects, possibly lacked that an imagination. 即便这些项目,可能缺乏了那么点想象力。