„Ha? What?” “哈？什么？” „108?” “108回？” „Is impossible, I faint!” “不可能吧,我晕！” „Teacher Zhang does not scare to death the person does not give up!” “张老师是不把人吓死不罢休啊！” „Why non- is 108? How also to have zero to have entire?” “为什么非是108回？怎么还有零有整的？” On the seat seat the meanings of some ebullition, in the expression and language of Peking University students, expressed the manner of not trusting, they had no way to believe that is unable to accept, after all 120 chapters of «Dream of the Red Chamber» were too ingrained in their hearts, you said before some after the «Dream of the Red Chamber» 80 chapters, people continued, now may be good, even linked 120 this chapter heading number to deny? 座位席上有些沸腾的意思,北大学生们的表情和语言里,都表达出了不信任的态度,他们也没法相信更无法接受,毕竟120回《红楼梦》在他们心中太根深蒂固了,您之前说《红楼梦》80回后是有人续写的也就算了,现在可好,甚至连120回这个回目数都要否定下去啊？ That Redologists Old Yang refutes immediately, „talked nonsense!” 那红学家老杨当即驳斥,“胡说八道！” Teacher Yang Voice is very big, conference site also ghost that calmed down! 杨老师声音很大,会场也煞那间静了下来！ The students look for the words that is who spoke, because the Voice output of microphone finally on acoustic equipment, in all directions, cannot listen to the origin of Voice, can only look with the naked eye that finally had also found the person of that speech, everybody looked to the first row of these Literature public figures. 学生们都去找是谁说的话,因为话筒的声音输出最后都在音响设备上,四面八方的,也听不出声音的来源,只能拿肉眼看,最后也找到了那个说话的人,大家都看向了第一排的那些文学界人士。 „This who?” “这谁啊？” „This also records, where has such shouts!” “这还录像呢,哪儿有这么喊的！” „That is the Hong studies expert, surnamed Yang, I had read his teaching material before.” “那是红学专家,姓杨,我以前看过他的讲课资料。” „I also know that this Teacher Yang, is studying «Dream of the Red Chamber» for a lifetime, is very famous.” “我也知道这个杨老师,一辈子都在研究《红楼梦》,挺有名的。” The Peking University students know that this was the Literature person starts to remove the Teacher Zhang Ye stage. 北大学生们都知道,这是文学界的人开始拆张烨老师的台了。 Meng Dongguo also spoke, he is also taking in which person of microphone, looks at the Zhang Ye expression bad [say / way] on stage: „Why did you say? The research Hong studies, that is must be fastidious about the evidence, the poem of that Qing Dynasty poet even if you gave yesterday, after the small note wrote ‚80 chapters, entirely Gaoe to make up’, first did not discuss dispute that in this small note had, even if were this, has after proposed one ‚80 chapters’ , does the inscription, how also jump now 108 this figures? Has the material to record the «Dream of the Red Chamber» chapter heading number?” 孟东国也说话了,他也是拿着话筒的其中一个人,看着台上的张烨语气不善道:“你凭什么这么说？研究红学,那是要讲究证据的,就算你昨天给出的那一首清代诗人的诗,小注上写了‘80回后俱高鹗所补’,先不谈这个小注上存在的争议,即便是这样,也只是提了一句‘80回后’的字样,怎么现在还蹦出108这数字了？难道有资料记载过《红楼梦》回目数？” Zhang Ye gentle [say / way]: „Has not recorded.” 张烨平和道:“没有记载。” Vice-President Writer's Association Yan Yu said: „How do you know?” 作协副主席严玉道:“那你如何知道的？” The Zhang Ye smile, a point does not care about their rebuttals and questions, said: „I had said before, I do not want from the historic information to its judgment evidence, I only to think that today the list analyzes to explain from the original works, sometimes material perhaps also will deceive people, but also some all kinds is indefinite, but we study is «Dream of the Red Chamber» this book, what research is its content, this cannot deceive people, exactly is the most strong evidence, why I dare saying that «Dream of the Red Chamber» is not 120 returns, but is 108 returns? Evidence in book!” 张烨微笑,一点也不在意他们的反驳和质疑,道:“我之前说过了,我今天不想从历史资料上对其判断佐证,我只想单从原著中分析解释,资料有时候或许还会骗人,还会有各种各样的不确定,但是我们研究的本来就是《红楼梦》这本书,研究的是它的内容,这是骗不了人的,也恰恰是最有力的证据,为什么我敢说《红楼梦》不是120回而是108回呢？证据就在书里！” The material took. 资料拿出来了。 This time, the stage has gotten down the Peking University staff, helping Zhang Ye reorganize the material, places in the projection according to his request, hits in the screen. 这次,台下来了北大的工作人员,帮着张烨去整理资料,按他的要求放在投影上,在屏幕打出来。 Everybody looked that knits the brows. 大家一看,都皱眉。 „This what?” “这什么？” „This is not the «Dream of the Red Chamber» original text.” “这不就是《红楼梦》原文么。” „Attractively what does this have? Has looked innumerable!” “这有什么好看的？都看过无数次了！” Zhang Ye has referred to screen unflustered, „this was in the market condition can buy the most authoritative «Dream of the Red Chamber» 120 chapters of general books, I Believe everybody many people early has looked, moreover some people not only have even looked, even has looked ten eight, but also broke off to break up by rubbing has studied, why I take today it, because I must help everybody recall, because all people omitted significant secret of some important information and storehouse in «Dream of the Red Chamber», according to my research, I can tell everybody, Cao Xueqin's «Dream of the Red Chamber» has an intrinsic textual strcture, is nine is multiplied by 12 such text rules!” 张烨从容不迫地指了指屏幕,“这是市面上能买到最权威的《红楼梦》120回通行本,我相信大家很多人早都看过了,而且有人甚至不只看过一遍,甚至看过了十遍八遍,还掰开揉碎地研究过,那么我今天为什么把它拿出来呢,因为我要帮助大家回忆一下,因为所有人都遗漏了一些重要信息和藏在《红楼梦》中的重大秘密,根据我的研究,我可以告诉大家,曹雪芹的《红楼梦》有一个内在的文本结构,就是九乘以12的这么一个文本规律！” „Do nine ride 12?” “九乘12？” „Where looks?” “哪里看出来的啊？” „How I had not discovered has this rule?” “我怎么没发现过有这个规律？” The students surprise, a person face of Literature did not believe. 学生们诧异了,文学界的人也一脸不信。 Even if Yan Yu and some Teacher Yang that Redologists, studies to prove that from nobody this rule, the person of this world even wants not to think toward here, because they have thought 120 «Dream of the Red Chamber» are the Cao Xueqin original pens, in the natural thought was limited, therefore did not say that the person of this world was inferior the person who Zhang Ye that world is intelligent, but the objective factor is the result. 就算是严玉和杨老师那一些红学家们,也从没有人研究证明出这种规律,这个世界的人甚至想都没往这里想过,因为他们一直都认为120回《红楼梦》就是曹雪芹原笔,自然思维上受到了限制,所以也不是说这个世界的人不如张烨那个世界的人聪明,而是客观因素所致。 This conclusion, is Zhang Ye that Earth Venerable Zhou Ruchang raises, Liu Xinwu has also mentioned in «Dream of the Red Chamber 80 Chapters of Real Story». 这个结论,是张烨那个地球的周汝昌老先生率先提出来的,刘心武在《红楼梦80回后真故事》中也提到过。 Zhang Ye said to the people: „Cao Xueqin's «Dream of the Red Chamber» is very rigorous, is every nine is called one unit on the whole, book altogether 12 nine.” Slightly, „I noticed that many people do not believe that then can launch to discuss thoroughly? Now yes, we come to see «Dream of the Red Chamber» roughly first 80 that we can read together, inside performance unusual is obvious, from first returns to the ninth chapter is one unit, from ninth returns to the 18 th chapter is one unit, 2918, do we one this first plot big unit, 18 chapters of everybody still remember first? What writes is what? What writes is a Yuan imperial concubine visits parents!” 张烨对众人道:“曹雪芹的《红楼梦》是很严谨的,大体上是每九回称为一个单元,全书一共12个九回。”略一顿,“我看到好多人都不太相信,那么能不能深入展开讨论一下呢？是可以的,我们就来看看现在我们能共同读到的《红楼梦》大体前80回,里面表现的非常明显,从第一回到第九回是一个单元,从第九回到第18回是一个单元,2918,我们先来看一下这第一个情节大单元,18回大家还记得吗？写的是什么啊？写的是元妃省亲！” «Dream of the Red Chamber» on screen transformed 88 th. 屏幕上的《红楼梦》变换到了第88回。 The people have read the original works basically, swept one to recall basically toward the screen on, has not spoken, but how wants to listen to Zhang Ye to explain. 众人基本都看过原著,往屏幕上扫一眼基本就回忆起来了,没说话,而是想听张烨怎么解释。 Zhang Ye continues saying: „Nowadays the red educational world early studies and given the conclusion, decided Jia patriarchal clan destiny has two most important females, one is Qin Keqing, one is Jia Yuanchun, this conclusion I am the approval, agreed that in first returns to 18 th to redeem, happen to had demonstrated these two females' importances to Jia patriarchal clan, Qin Keqing in 13 th died, who is this person? The red educational world has also studied the result, this person is the righteousness loyal crown prince old thousand -year-old daughters, hid in Ning Guofu, her real status was not the abandoned baby in Yangshengtang, has set the foreshadowing for very deep for the future tragedy result, but Jia patriarchal clan simultaneous developments, they delivered to Jia Yuanchun the palace, obtained the love of emperor, sealed the virtuous behavior imperial concubine, the emperor approves her to go home to visit parents, therefore in 18 th, the condition of Jia patriarchal clan once was ‚fresh flower the brocade and raging fire have been boiling oil’ the degree, therefore first returned to 18 th to return, Cao Xueqin presented to us these important characters has related and important plot! Then 19 th, started to write the boudoir friend boudoir sentiment, wrote about Jia Baoyu's emotion to live, looked? This structure dividing line is very clear!” 张烨继续道:“现今红学界早都研究并给出过结论了,决定贾氏宗族命运的有两个最重要的女性,一个是秦可卿,还有一个就是贾元春,这个结论我是认可的,也是非常同意的,那么在第一回到第18回当中,就正好显示了这两个女性对贾氏宗族的重要性,秦可卿在第13回就死掉了,这个人是谁啊？红学界也研究过结果,这人是义忠亲王老千岁的女儿,藏匿在了宁国府,她的真实身份并不是什么养生堂的弃婴,也为今后的悲剧结局埋下了一个很深的伏笔,但是贾氏宗族两条腿走路,他们又把贾元春送到宫里,取得皇帝的宠爱,加封贤德妃,皇帝恩准她回家省亲了,因此在第18回,贾氏宗族的状态一度达到了一个‘鲜花着锦、烈火烹油’的程度了,所以第一回到第18回,曹雪芹就给我们呈现了这些重要的人物关系和重要的故事情节！那么第19回,就开始写闺友闺情了,写到贾宝玉的情感生活了,看出来没有？这个结构分野是很清楚的！” Does not think not to know that one wants to have a scare! 不想不知道,一想吓一跳！ Senior Song one surprised, probably, probably also is really this! 宋学姐一愕,好像,好像还真是这样！ Other many Peking University students also half believing and half doubting, waits to continue to listen. 其他好多北大学生还都将信将疑,等着继续听。 Zhang Ye takes a look at people's response, said: „, 3927, 4936, this plot big unit, Cao Xueqin is so centralized writes Prospect Garden the emotion life in Jia Baoyu's again, with Lin Daiyu's love, with Xue Baochai's delicate relations, to 36 th, Cao Xueqin has made to collect, what that writes these sentiments still remembers?” Has referred to the screen, „sentiment becomes aware the pear fragrant institute!” 张烨瞅了瞅众人的反应,道:“那么,3927,4936,这个情节大单元,曹雪芹是集中再写大观园内的贾宝玉的情感生活,和林黛玉的爱情,和薛宝钗的微妙关系,到了第36回,曹雪芹将这些感情做了一个收束,写的什么还记得吗？”指了指屏幕,“情悟梨香院！” The below first row had the discussion sound finally. 下面第一排终于有议论声了。 Yan Yu frowns with Teacher Yang is exchanging in a low voice, Ma Hengyuan and Meng Dongguo also mutually with the surrounding friend or the ponder or the discussion, Voice are very small. 严玉蹙眉和杨老师低声交流着,马恒元和孟东国也相互和周围的朋友或沉思或议论,声音很小。 Zhang Ye said: „Concrete plot did not say that the general meaning is Jia Baoyu thought that all youth females should like him liking him, but the age officer of that theatrical troupe is not, Jia Baoyu in the sentiment understood that on had an important sublimation, he knows is not your you not to demand, all have the fate, this is also Cao Xueqin must transmit through the novel to our life sensibility, you look, this is a dividing line.” 张烨道:“具体情节不说了,大概意思是贾宝玉觉得所有青春女性都应该爱他喜欢他,但是那个戏班子的龄官偏偏不是,贾宝玉在感情理解上有了一次重要的升华,他知道的不属于你的你强求不到的,一切都有命数,这也是曹雪芹要通过小说传达给我们的一个人生感悟,你们看,这又是一个分野。” People not anything echo. 众人没什么反响。 Also does not know that is pondering or is surprised. 也不知是在思考还是在惊讶。 Zhang Ye has smiled, „everybody possibly felt, you can continue to think that ponders, listens to me saying that next plot big unit, to 54 th, 5945, 6954, since I said «Dream of the Red Chamber» is 108 chapters, then as middle dividing line 54, can be an extremely important dividing line obviously, what that fact also this, inside writes? What writes is the heyday condition of Jia family, to one high to was unable the high position, did the Qingyuan night, chats the banquet, the drinking to the dregs riches and honors, finally perform what kind of? Enjoys the character, upward sprinkles money with shallow basket, enjoys person who these perform, riches and honors to the extreme, however forsees the concomitant tragedy, the water is full , then overflows, to 55 th, Cao Xueqin started internal disorder and foreign invasion all sorts of difficulties that writes about the Jia family to face, rising of Jia family first 54, write is prosperous, latter 54, must write about the decline of Jia family, finally ends up to turn out white one piece, therefore everybody can see, the dividing line was too distinct, Cao Xueqin in the textual strcture is very tasteful!” 张烨笑了下,“大家可能已经感觉出来了,你们可以继续想,思考一下,边听我讲,下一个情节大单元,是到第54回,5945,6954,既然我说了《红楼梦》是108回的,那么作为中间分水岭的54回,显然会是一个极其重要的分野,事实也正是这样,里面写的什么啊？写的是贾氏家族的极盛状态,到了一个高到不能再高的位置了,庆元宵,大摆筵席,享尽荣华富贵,最后唱完戏怎么样啊？一声赏字,拿笸箩往上泼钱,赏那些唱戏的人,荣华富贵到了极点,但是乐极生悲,水满则溢,到了第55回,曹雪芹就开始写到贾氏家族面临的内忧外患种种困难,前54回,写的贾氏家族的崛起昌盛,后54回,就要写到贾氏家族的衰落,最后落得白茫茫一片,所以大家又可以看到了,分野太分明了,曹雪芹在文本结构上是非常讲究的！” Yan Yu was silent, this...... 严玉沉默了,这…… Teacher Yang is also black the face to ponder. 杨老师也黑着脸沉思着。 School leader Zhou raises hand to inquire, „why is that 12?” 周学长举手提问,“那为什么又是12？” Zhang Ye said with a smile: „Why said that nine ride 12, can use 12 this constants? Actually this is also very clear, because looked fifth understood, Jia Baoyu patrolling universe boundary, the police imaginary female immortal led him to go to the star crossed division, he peeped the album, these albums record these female destinies of ancestral home Jinling, then these albums assigned? I want to ask that in the regular register is several people?” 张烨笑道:“为什么说九乘12,要用12这个常数呢？其实这也很清楚,因为看了第五回就明白了,贾宝玉神游太虚境,警幻仙姑带着他去薄命司,他偷看了册页,这些册页是记载原籍金陵的这些女子命运的,那么这些册页是怎么分配的啊？我想问正册里面是几个人？” Yao Cui stands immediately, „is 12! Jinling 12 ornamental hairpins!” 姚翠立刻站起来,“是12个！金陵12钗！” „Right.” Zhang Ye also asked that „that in vice- book and vice- book?” “对。”张烨又问,“那又副册和副册里面呢？” School leader Zhou said: „Also is 12.” 周学长呃道:“也是12个。” Zhang Ye said: „Then the police imaginary female immortal entertains Jia Baoyu, making the female immortals sing songs, sang several?” 张烨道:“那么警幻仙姑招待贾宝玉,让仙姑们唱曲,唱了几首？” Senior Song blinks the eye, took the microphone to receive this issue, „was...... «Dream of the Red Chamber» Shierqu!” 宋学姐眨巴眨巴眼睛,拿着话筒接下了这个问题,“是……《红楼梦》十二曲！” „Right, I had said a moment ago that age officer, that theatrical troupe that raises, how many age officers?” Zhang Ye asked again, „has carefully who paid attention?” “对,那我刚才说过的那个龄官,养的那个戏班子,一个多少个龄官？”张烨再问,“有细心的谁注意了？” Many students cannot answer, they do not remember that has not looked that thin. 好多学生都答不出来了,他们不记得了,没有看得那么细。 However Wu Zeqing spoke at this time with a smile, „12, general designation red chamber 12 officers.” 但是吴则卿这时笑着说话了,“12个吧,统称红楼12官。” The Zhang Ye smile, „, everybody looked that Cao Xueqin with 12 passes through the digit as one, in addition that 54 chapters of length 50% dividing lines, was this too clear? 120 chapters of «Dream of the Red Chamber» that therefore nowadays spreads, I could not accept, because Cao Xueqin first edition «Dream of the Red Chamber» had 108! Therefore, «Dream of the Red Chamber», only then roughly 80 chapters are Cao Xueqin's original pens, the latter 40 chapters are the high osprey or are the continuing book of some nameless person, but also continues is not quite reasonable, because after 80 chapters, is not 40, but also remains 28 chapters!” 张烨微笑,“是的,大家看,曹雪芹都是用12作为一个贯穿数字的,加上那54回篇幅一半的分野,这已经太一目了然了吧？所以现今流传的120回《红楼梦》,我个人是接受不了的,因为曹雪芹原版《红楼梦》只有108回！所以,《红楼梦》只有大体80回是曹雪芹的原笔,后40回是高鹗或者是某个无名氏的续书,还续的不太靠谱,因为80回后不是40回,而是还剩28回！” This, these people of Literature a little could not sit still! 这一下,文学界的这些人都有点坐不住了！ Also can say? 还能这么说？ Also can such explain? 还能这么解释？ Also can such analyze? 还可以这么分析？ Teacher Yang this has studied for a lifetime the «Dream of the Red Chamber» person, gives to hear one one! 杨老师这个研究了一辈子《红楼梦》的人,都给听得一愣一愣的了！ The analysis of the angle Zhang Ye gives, is simply unprecedented!( 张烨给出的这个角度的分析,简直是史无前例的！( …… ……