IRAS :: Volume #4

#307: Be dumbfounded!


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Short quiet. 短暂沉寂。 „It is not right!” “还是不对!” This viewpoint cannot stand firmly!” “这观点站不住脚!” Right, possibly is not tall Exie!” “对,不可能是高鹗写的!” Although does not have the evidence, but, what evidence but does this also want?” “虽然没有证据,可,可这还要什么证据啊?” Many were not the «Appreciation of the Classics» elective course person also discusses has roared, but to this time, everybody also thought that this time class came the value, how because of regardless of the viewpoint of Zhang Ye, this time public class wants also to know with the buttocks that can definitely cause a stir in the educational circle and Literature! 好多不是《古典名著鉴赏》选修课的人也议论哄哄了,不过到了这时候,大家都也觉得这次的课是来值了,因为无论张烨的观点如何,这次的公开课用屁股想也知道,肯定能轰动教育界和文学界的! Studied to dominate Senior Song to stand has not been sitting down, because after sitting down, she must stand the inquiry, was too troublesome, she had too many issues regarding the viewpoint of Zhang Ye, saw only her to raise hand, spoke directly, was unfair to Teacher Zhang Ye, your viewpoint I could not accept, the latter 40 chapters were tall E the evidence was not enough to show the issue as before, the material were too few, the baseless imagination were too many, moreover tall E was the person who was responsible for reorganizing the books, did not have to write the «Dream of the Red Chamber» accomplishment, was impossible to continue that well.” 学霸宋学姐就那么一直站着根本没坐下了,因为坐下后她还得站起来提问,太麻烦了,对于张烨的观点她有太多问题,只见她一举手,又直接说话了,“对不起张烨老师,您的观点我还是接受不了,后40回是高鹗所著的证据依旧不足以说明问题,资料太少,凭空想象太多,而且高鹗就是个负责整理书卷的人,也不具备书写《红楼梦》的素养,不可能续写得那么好。” Zhang Ye waves the hand to refer, Little Song, this you may make a mistake.” 张烨摇摇手指,“小宋,这你可就错了。” Why?” Senior Song asked back. “为什么?”宋学姐反问。 Other Peking University teachers and students also look to Zhang Ye. 其他北大的师生们也看向张烨 Zhang Ye vows solemnly saying that tall E has to continue the «Dream of the Red Chamber» accomplishment and condition, moreover in that time, I thinks also only then tall E has! He He, everybody do not visit me like this, you understanding the high osprey are possibly insufficient, knows mostly he is a regulator, actually does not know his other backgrounds, if everybody does not believe that good, above I prove from the angle of material, below I say from the mood angle, um, this is actually not the key point, says, do you want to listen?” 张烨又信誓旦旦地放了话,“高鹗是具备续写《红楼梦》的素养和条件的,而且在那个时代,我认为也只有高鹗具备!呵呵,大家别这样看着我,你们对高鹗的了解可能不够,多半只是知道他是一个整理者,却不知道他的其他背景,如果大家不相信,好,上面我是从资料的角度上论证,下面我就从情怀的角度上说一说,嗯,这段其实不是重点,讲不讲都可以,你们想听吗?” Thinks!” “想!” Naturally must listen!” “当然要听!” Must!” “必须的啊!” Senior Song also nods. 宋学姐也点头。 Does not approve does not approve, but everybody wants to listen. 不认同是不认同,但大家还是想听。 Zhang Ye one, that I simply said that the high osprey has been hanging the title of conservator disseminator and regulator, actually many people are not clear, actually tall E the Literature accomplishment is he is most brilliant.” He sees the following Professor Zeng slight bow, the access road: Professor Zeng seems like the understanding.” 张烨一嗯,“那我就简单说说,高鹗一直挂着保存者传播者和整理者的头衔,其实好多人都不清楚,其实高鹗的文学素养才是他最光彩夺目的。”他看见下面的曾教授微微点头,便道:“曾教授看来是了解的。” Professor Zeng affirms saying: Right that Teacher Zhang said that every in having eye, forgives all appreciates this is the person's of that time appraisal to the high osprey.” 曾教授肯定道:“张老师说的对,凡在有目,谅皆欣赏这是那个时代的人对高鹗的评价。” Zhang Ye said with a smile: Is this, person who tall E is one has the talent, is frustrated with the distress, the talent excellent eight characters may summarize tall E the life fully, goes down in the world does not meet, causes him and Cao Xueqin has similar life experience, the earlier examination site floods to stagnate, the light official career of old age to make him be in the state of mind experience of sorrow distress throughout, this enables him in the emotion to understand and draw close to Cao Xueqin, the tragedy result of completing that moving heart and soul, in addition, we, so long as turns the material can also know that the high osprey manner is upright, frequently strives and admonishes the disciples to subdue|grams loyalty filial piety, walks to lift industry it. Road. His eight-legged essay writes very well, the ability to think is precise, powerful brush stroke. In the prose, he also often such as the sad mood of dream smears a Buddha old color the life. All these, we can vaguely feel in the «Dream of the Red Chamber» latter 40 chapters, therefore said from the mood angle, tall E most suited in that time continues the «Dream of the Red Chamber» person, he was also capable of achieving!” 张烨笑道:“是这样的,高鹗是一个非常有才华的人,用困厄失意、才华过人八个字足可概括高鹗的一生,落魄不遇,使他与曹雪芹有类似的人生体验,早年的科场淹滞、晚年的平淡仕途使他始终处于悲苦困厄的心绪体验中,这使他能够在情感上理解和贴近曹雪芹,完成那个动人心魄的悲剧结局,此外,我们只要翻一翻资料还能知道,高鹗为人忠厚,常常勖勉、规劝弟子们克尽忠孝,走举业之。路。他的八股文写得很好,思力精到,笔力雄健。在诗文中,他还常将人生如梦的感伤情怀抹上一层佛老色彩。所有这些,我们在《红楼梦》后40回中都可以依稀感觉到,所以从情怀的角度讲,高鹗是在那个时代最适合续写《红楼梦》的人,他也是有能力做到的!” Zhang Ye said: I formerly had said the red chamber that tall E continues is a little incompatible with front, but that individual style different, I have not denied tall E, on the contrary I also very much respect him, he has continued the ending for the red chamber, has facilitated the widespread dissemination of «Dream of the Red Chamber», tall E has made the enormous contribution!” 一顿,张烨道:“我先前说过高鹗续写的红楼有点跟前面格格不入,但那只是个人风格的不同罢了,我没有否定高鹗,相反我还很尊敬他,他为红楼续写了结尾,方便了《红楼梦》的广泛传播,高鹗是做出了极大贡献的!” Sweat! 汗! How more to say more real! 怎么越说越真了啊! Peking University outstanding students of history department raised hand to speak suddenly, all these that you said that established after the «Dream of the Red Chamber» 80 chapters is under the premise that the person continued, I thought that now does not argue is tall E continues the issue that some nameless person continued, but was...... Why you said that «Dream of the Red Chamber» does have 80 is the original manuscript of Mr. Cao Xueqin? Why saying that 120 «Dream of the Red Chamber» were continued, but isn't the original work of Mr. Cao Xueqin? And had the small notes of 80 phrases depending on a Qing Dynasty poet poem?” 一个历史系的北大高材生突然举手说话了,“您说的这一切,都是建立在《红楼梦》80回后是人续写的前提之下的,我觉得现在不是争辩到底是高鹗续写还是某个无名氏续写的问题,而是……您凭什么说《红楼梦》只有80回是曹雪芹先生的原稿?凭什么说120回的《红楼梦》是被人续写的,而不是曹雪芹先生的原作?就凭清代诗人一首诗和带有80回字眼的小注吗?” Zhang Ye loses says with a smile: You are very excited.” 张烨失笑道:“你还挺激动。” Student dumbfounded of that history department, can not be excited, you said subverted the cognition, gathered our these many years history lessons to study mistakenly? Gathered the entire Republic educational circle to violate one preliminarily wrong? Including of haven't «Dream of the Red Chamber» four big famous work authors made clear?” 那历史系的学生哭笑不得,“能不激动么,您说的太颠覆认知了,合着我们这么多年的历史课都学错了?合着整个共和国的教育界都犯了一个低级错误?连四大名著之一的《红楼梦》的作者都没搞清楚?” This is everybody does not believe the Zhang Ye main reason! 这也是大家不相信张烨的最主要的原因! These many experts, these many scholars, did all people make a mistake? Is impossible! 这么多专家,这么多学者,难道所有人都错了?不可能啊! Although the truth often grasps in the small number of people hand, but your this also too small number of people! Is saving this viewpoint you! 虽说真理往往是掌握在少数人手中的,可你丫这也太少数人了啊!存着这个观点的就你一个人啊! One is the educational circle and academic circle, authority authority. 一个是教育界和学术界,权威中的权威。 One is Zhang Ye, the class of Literature circle - bum, the thorn head of broadcast Host circle. 一个是张烨,文学圈的流-氓,播音主持圈的刺头。 You said that who is worth believing? The answer has been clear at a glance, asked that does not need to ask! 你说谁更值得相信?答案已经一目了然了,问都不用问! We do not have the evidence to refute you......” “我们是没证据反驳您……” Right, but you cannot refute our viewpoint!” “对,但您也反驳不了我们的观点啊!” For example «Journey to the West», you must say that but this book was actually is not his twin elder brother who Wu Cheng'en's twin elder brother who Wu Cheng'en wrote wrote also names to ask Wu Cheng'en to assume a false identity Wu Cheng'en since childhood but only Wu Cheng'en family member knows that Wu Cheng'en was not Wu Cheng'en, but was his elder brother but others do not know that this Wu Cheng'en was not that Wu Cheng'en but thinks Wu Cheng'en was Wu Cheng'en really must say was also good? If some people express this viewpoint, did not have evidence others unable to refute, can that «Journey to the West» author also change? 就好比说《西游记》吧,你要偏说这书其实不是吴承恩写的而是吴承恩的双胞胎哥哥写的他的双胞胎哥哥也取名叫吴承恩从小就冒名顶替了吴承恩但只有吴承恩家里人才知道吴承恩不是吴承恩而是他哥哥而别人根本不知道这个吴承恩不是那个吴承恩但以为吴承恩就是吴承恩真要这么说是不是也行?要是有人发表这个观点,没证据别人也反驳不了,那《西游记》的作者是不是也得改啊? Such, Literature has not messed up! 那样,文学界还不乱套了! But Zhang Ye said: Who said that I didn't have the evidence to refute?” 张烨却道:“谁说我没有证据反驳了?” Chinese department big three school leader Zhou said: But your material......” 中文系大三的周学长道:“可您刚才的资料都……” He He smiles, Zhang Ye said: Just was only a beginning, helping everybody enter the atmosphere, since I dare such to put down the words, naturally had my other evidence and material evidence, then first, I want to ask that an everybody matter, the «Dream of the Red Chamber» earliest these old books, except for the edition that tall E reorganized, no matter this also good, that this also good, these spread in the earliest old book, there is a record to surpass 80 the later story?” 呵呵一笑,张烨道:“刚刚只是个开场,帮助大家进入一下氛围,我既然敢这么放下话,自然有我其他的证据和资料佐证,那么首先,我想问大家一件事,《红楼梦》最早的那些古本,除了高鹗整理的版本,不管是这个本也好,那个本也好,那些流传下来最早的古本中,有记载超过80回以后的故事吗?” People one dull. 众人一呆。 Has?” “有吗?” Does not know.” “不知道啊。” „, When I search!” “呃,等我搜索一下!” The students started to verify with the take action machine. 学生们都开始拿出手机查证了。 Professor Zeng also frowns, Bi Mu meditated that recalls. 曾教授也是蹙眉,闭目凝思,回忆起来。 Peking University students of liberal arts department said suddenly: Has! Here has an old book is 120 chapters!” 一个文科系的北大学生突然道:“有啊!这里有一个古本是120回的!” Zhang Ye has smiled, this schoolmate, you again looks up, which age printing release this old book is, I can tell you, the old book that you read originally only then 35 chapter headings, behind after 1791 was supplemented printing release, is reforms, is left intact according to the edition of high osprey.” He has also done many schoolworks. 张烨笑了,“这位同学,那你再查一查,这个古本是哪个年代印刷发行的,我可以告诉你,你看的这古本的原本只有35个回目,后面是被人在1791年以后补充印刷发行的,是改过的,按照高鹗的版本原封不动加上去的。”他也做了很多功课。 That liberal arts are the student look up, the perspiration did not speak suddenly, but also is really. 那文科系学生一查,汗了一下不说话了,还真是。 Professor Zeng and Chang Kaige Zhen Shuquan they also knew how things stand, strange, but also did not have really! 曾教授常凯歌甄书全他们也有数儿了,奇怪啊,还真没有! Zhang Ye lets go saying: Therefore everybody has read the most entire old book, is tall E compiles, printed the release in 1791, then I had a question, why haven't the beforehand all old books presented 80 chapters of later stories? One, why eight ten this is this?” 张烨摊手道:“所以大家看过最全的一个古本,就是高鹗编撰的,是在1791年印刷发行的,那么我就有一个疑问了,为什么以前所有古本都没有出现过80回以后的故事?一本也就算了,为什么八本十本里都是这样?” Yao Mi spoke, „, because old book losing destroys was too fierce?” 姚蜜说话了,“因为古本遗失摧毁的太厉害了?” This world the preservation of «Dream of the Red Chamber» old book is truly horrible to look. 这个世界的《红楼梦》古本的保存确实惨不忍睹。 But Zhang Ye said: Can too be also skillful? Doesn't everybody has this doubts? Some old book only remaining several, many, preserved 40-50, but these scaled height of burst osprey editions also wanted the old many these old books not to record 80 chapters of later stories, to 1791, suddenly all of a sudden «Dream of the Red Chamber» has emitted 120 chapters of complete old books, could look from the angle of logic, was this too strange? If latter 40 are also Cao Xueqin writes, why doesn't have person outside Cheng Weiyuan, the high osprey to transcribe it? Also not other people from drum load on it? Such big length, even if cannot copy its entire, transcribes part good . But why before Cheng Weiyuan, the high osprey, nobody finds by search, even if a writing is attached to behind the first 80 chapters?” 张烨道:“可也太巧了吧?难道大家都没有这个疑惑吗?有的古本只剩下十几回,有的多一点,保存下来了四五十回,可是这些比高鹗版本还要老很多的那些古本都没记载过80回以后的故事,到了1791年,突然一下子《红楼梦》就冒出了120回完整的古本,从逻辑的角度也看得出来,这是不是太奇怪了?如果后40回亦是曹雪芹所写,为何就没有程伟元、高鹗以外的人将其抄录出来?也并无其他人从‘鼓担’上得之?这么大的篇幅,就算不能抄得其全,抄录一部分也行啊。但为何在程伟元、高鹗之前,就没有人抄出哪怕一回的文字附在前80回后面呢?” This asked that all of a sudden stumped many people! 这一问,把很多人都一下子问住了! Several have studied diligently «Dream of the Red Chamber» Peking University Teacher for a while has food stuck in the throat!( 就连几个钻研过《红楼梦》的北大老师都一时噎住!( …… ……
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