Does not care about discussion that in a low voice the people questioned. 不在乎众人质疑的低声议论。 Zhang Ye is completely at ease, said: „Zhou Yu is one is loyal and Hero character, when he was 24 years old, was appointed by Sun Ce as Jianwei in Lang Jiang, starts to perform good deeds, moreover in this year, and he has gotten married then beautiful woman greatly Qiao Hexiao Qiao with his same age Sun Ce, can say that Zhou Yu this person is the youth is successful, is elated with success, other people's long attractiveness, the matter was also attractively, in Wu shouted for Shuro at that time, Lang Word the original intention was a young fellow, but here was the intent of commendation, at that time in Wu the person of this place name was Sun Ce for the grandson court attendant, called Zhou Yu for Shuro, Translates is the jj handsome fellow,...... With ` week handsome fellow.” 张烨却坦然自若,道:“周瑜是一个非常忠诚而又英雄的人物,他24岁的时候,就被孙策任命为建威中郎将,开始建功立业,而且也就是在这一年,和他同龄的孙策和他一起迎娶了当时的美女大乔和小乔,可以说周瑜这个人是少年得志,春风得意,他人长的漂亮,事情也做得漂亮,当时吴中呼为周郎,郎字的本意是小伙子,不过在这里是称赞之意,当时吴中这个地方的人叫孙策为孙郎,叫周瑜为周郎,翻译过来就是jj帅哥,……和‘周帅哥,。” What? 啥？ Handsome fellows? 帅哥？ Xiao Lu and Little Fang pū 小吕和小芳噗地一声 Many female audiences could not bear happily 不少女观众也忍不住乐了 This says the three countries? How also to have the living words? 这是说三国吗？怎么还有现代语啊？ „Therefore you think that......” Zhang Ye looks at the big family fortune: „Zhou Yu 20 lang, when the year has worked as in Jianwei Lang Jiang, married the most beautiful beauty to be the one's own wife at that time, it may be said that a battlefield government realm of love self-satisfacation, will he envy others? Others envy him also almost” “所以你想……”张烨看着大家道:“周瑜20啷当岁就当了建威中郎将,娶了当时最美丽的美眉做了自己的妻子,可谓战场官场情场场场得意,他怎么会去嫉妒别人呢？别人嫉妒他还差不多” Beauties? 美眉？ Did the beauties come out? 美眉都出来了？ Many people almost faint, many people also smile 好多人差点晕倒,好多人也都会心一笑 „In fact historical Zhou Yu spirit is very big.” Zhang Ye said: „Chen Shou once said that he is the nature extensive gallery, the person of same time appraises to him is also very high, Liu Bei is the spirit is large to his appraisal, Jiang to his appraisal, is the magnanimity refined character, therefore talked into Zhou Yu is a narrowminded villain, this was undeserved” Ma Hengyuan a moment ago in discarded program also just said Zhou Yu was the person of being small-minded, finally Zhang Ye gave him to refute, moreover was well-founded to direct after discussing the standard, the true colors of face-smacking specialized household took in everything at a glance “事实上历史上的周瑜气量是很大的。”张烨道:“陈寿曾经说他是性度恢廓,同时代的人对他评价也很高,刘备对他的评价是气量颇大,蒋于对他的评价,是雅量高致,所以把周瑜说成是一个气量狭窄的小人,这是冤枉的”马恒元刚才被废掉的节目中还刚说了周瑜是个小肚鸡肠的人,结果张烨就给他反驳了,而且有理有据有引经论典,打脸专业户的本色一览无余 The audiences are half believing and half doubting. 观众将信将疑。 The Ma Hengyuan heart said that you talked nonsense 马恒元心说你胡说八道 Two honored guests surnamed Xu do not approve the viewpoint of Zhang Ye completely 两个姓徐的嘉宾也完全不认同张烨的观点 Zhang Ye said with a smile: „Some person of perhaps do not approve, but I can definitely say that the historical novel novel is not the history, is Zhou Yu's image in the image with our impression so why remote? Why we to three-country phase of history both familiar and strange? The reason has three points, because the three-country phase of history have three images, the first type is in the history book, is mainly the image in the histories in form of biographies recording, is image that the historian advocates, this image I call the ` history image, what here must explain, the historical image is not equal to the historic truth, because the historical record not necessarily is also reliable, the second type is the image in Literature artistic work, I call the Literature image, the third chapter is the folklore and belief, I call the folk image.” 张烨笑道:“有人或许不认同,但我可以肯定的说,演义小说并不是历史,周瑜的形象为什么和我们印象中的形象如此遥远？为什么我们对三国这段历史既熟悉又陌生？原因有三点,因为三国这段历史有三种形象,第一种是史书上,主要是正史上记载的形象,是史学家主张的形象,这个形象我称之为‘历史形象,,这里要说明的是,历史形象并不等于历史真相,因为历史记载也并不一定可靠,第二种是文学艺术作品中的形象,我称之为文学形象,第三章是民间传说与信仰,我称之为民间形象。” Everybody listens while to think. 大家都一边听一边想。 „So, can actually explain that Zhou Yu's image completely is why different from our impression, because everybody will have the impression and appraisal of one's own to this person, once this image has formed, some people cannot accept other are vivid, you said with his heart is different, he will say that you are not right, you have made a mistake, therefore we look at a historical drama, the association had the audience to comment under `, this Zhou Yu he not likely.” Zhang Ye looks at Ma Hengyuan several people vague, said: „Oh, this Zhou Yu not like? That real Zhou Yu...... Have you seen?” “如此,其实就可以解释周瑜的形象为什么跟我们印象中完全不一样了,因为大家心里都会有自己对此人的印象和评价,这个形象一旦形成了,有些人就不能接受其他形象了,你说的跟他心中的不一样,他就会说你不对,你错了,所以我们去看一部历史剧,总会有观众在下面评论说‘哎呀,这个周瑜他不像啊,。”张烨若有若无地看着马恒元几人,道:“噢,这个周瑜不像？那个真的周瑜……你见过啊？” The audiences have smiled, „he he he he.” 观众又笑了,“呵呵呵呵。” Hu Fei also happily blossomed, this Little Zhang 胡飞也乐开了花,这个小张啊 The Ma Hengyuan air/Qi resulted in the beard to be crooked, may not refute 马恒元气得胡子都歪了,可也反驳不了 „Therefore the history is not the novel, is not the character who on the Literature work the historical novel comes out.” Zhang Ye said: „For example Zhuge Liang, mentioned again Zhuge Liang everybody can first think of the Fortress Stratagem, but spoke of the Fortress Stratagem, appeared Zhuge Liang's military talent on the convention, but these were in the novel portray and mold actually, naturally, inside had the reason reasonable, was not with no reason at all, in modern times, the person who called Guo to rush, this Guo to rush, probably was Zhuge Liang's hardcore fans.” “所以历史不是小说,也不是文学作品上演义出来的人物。”张烨道:“再比如说诸葛亮,提到诸葛亮大家都会第一个想到空城计,而提起空城计,就会展现出诸葛亮的军事天赋,而这些其实都是小说中刻画和塑造出来的,当然,里面是有原因有道理的,不是无缘无故的,在近代,有一个叫郭冲的人,这个郭冲呢,大概是诸葛亮的铁杆粉丝。” hardcore fans? 铁杆粉丝？ The audiences listen to be happy. 观众听着就想乐。 Zhang Ye is very serious, „, therefore he wrote «Strip Bright Five Matters To be hidden Did not hear that in World», announced Zhuge Liang's unknown five matters, the third matter was the Fortress Stratagem, therefore the Fortress Stratagem was not Luo Guanzhong arranges, but had this origin, but we know that the hardcore fans words often some were unreasonable, I can tell everybody explicitly, historical Zhuge Liang was an outstanding statesman, the military talent was actually well below that from the start was not the military genius, but the Fortress Stratagem” Zhang Ye spoke an astonishing language with ease, „Does not exist” 张烨却无比严肃,“于是他写了一本《条亮五事隐没不闻于世者》,公布了诸葛亮不为人知的五件事,其中第三件事就是空城计,所以空城计不是罗贯中编出来的,而是有这个来历,但我们都知道,铁杆粉丝的话往往有些是不靠谱的,我可以明确告诉大家,历史上的诸葛亮是个杰出的政治家,军事天赋却远远不如,压根不是什么军事天才,而空城计”张烨轻轻松松地就说了一句惊人之语,“根本就不存在” What? 什么？ Doesn't the Fortress Stratagem exist? Makes out of whole cloth? 空城计不存在？都是瞎编的？ Ma Hengyuan had gotten at that time angry, „you talked nonsense anything” 马恒元当时就怒了,“你胡说什么” „How can not exist? This was not rambles on” Xu Teacher pissed off “怎么会不存在？这不是瞎扯么”徐老师生气了 Hu Fei Xiao Lu they also stare dumbfounded, audience does not believe these, after all the lots were already ingrained in their consciousness 胡飞小吕他们也瞠目结舌,观众更是不相信这些,毕竟很多东西在他们的意识中已然根深蒂固了 Zhang Ye Xu does not abhor said: „Many people questioned this point, this was the status of folk image that I said in common people heart, but I was those words, the history was not the novel, what just under stage this rebuttal was Ma Hengyuan Professor horse?” Photographed the big brother to hit scene immediately to Ma Hengyuan, „you conduct the Literature research, what research was the Literature work, to the study of «Romance of the Three Kingdoms», I thinks that Domestic few individuals can compare favorably with you, but this was not the history, this was only according to the historical reorganization Literature work, if some people did not believe that did not approve of the viewpoint that I said that then I only want to ask that two issues, Guo to rush said that Sima Yi commanded troops to hit the second tone, Zhuge Liang in the hand did not have the soldier at that time, therefore used a Fortress Stratagem Sima Yi to repulse the enemy, was like this?” 张烨不徐不疾道:“很多人都质疑这一点,这就是我说的民间形象在老百姓心中的地位,但我还是那句话,历史不是小说,刚刚台下这位驳斥的是马恒元马教授吧？”摄像大哥立即把镜头打给了马恒元,“你是搞文学研究的,研究的是文学作品,对《三国演义》的钻研,我想国内没有几个人能比得上你,但这不是历史,这只是根据历史改编的文学作品而已,如果有人还是不信,不赞同我说的观点,那么我只想问两个问题,郭冲说司马懿率兵来打阳平,诸葛亮当时手上没有兵,于是用了一个空城计司马懿就退兵了,是这样吧？” „Yes.” “是啊。” „Yeah.” “可不是么。” „What issue does this have?” “这还有什么问题？” The audiences returned to several. 观众们都回了几句。 The Zhang Ye chuckle, „that my first issue came, according to the historical record and research, Sima Yi officer occupied the Jingzhou commanding officer at that time, resides abroad Wan City, he at that time radically not in the Yangping battlefield, this person, since has not gone to this place, how that this matter likely will happen?” 张烨轻笑,“那我第一个问题就来了,根据历史记载和考证,当时司马懿官居荆州都督,驻节宛城,他那时根本就不在阳平战场,这个人既然都没有到这个地方,那这件事怎么可能会发生呢？” „?” “啊？” „This......” “这个……” „Real?” “真的吗？” The audiences are perplexed. 观众不明所以。 Ma Hengyuan and Xu Teacher they look at each other to look, cannot master, they do not study the scholar of history after all, actually cannot refute 马恒元和徐老师他们相视而望,也搞不懂,他们毕竟不是研究历史的学者,竟然反驳不回去 Zhang Ye continues saying: „The second issue, Sima Yi main strength threatens the border, Zhuge Liang thinks quickly in emergencies, opens the city gate, sending some veterans to sweep the floor in the entrance, leading two young lads to sit toward the tower over a city gate on, sings Karaoke.” 张烨继续道:“第二个问题,司马懿大兵压境,诸葛亮急中生智,打开城门,派了些老兵在门口扫地,带了两个童子往城楼上一坐,唱卡拉ok。” „Pū” “噗” „Karaoke?” “卡拉ok？” „Ha Ha” “哈哈” Several audiences doubled with laughter. 有几个观众都前仰后合了。 Zhang Ye said: „In play he sang? I in the tower over a city gate Guanshan scenery, ear am hearing outside the city chaotic, then under him sang Ma Su to be useless, weren't their generals with, your Sima Yi insatiably greedy hit me? You hit hit, I prepared, swept the street, suspended the liquor, prepared to reward with food and drink your three services, since you came you to enter a city, come, come, come, on the city, listening to me to play a qin.” 张烨道:“戏剧中他怎么唱的呢？我正在城楼观山景,耳听得城外乱纷纷,然后他下面唱马谡不中用,他们将帅也不和,你司马懿贪得无厌又来打我？你来打就打吧,我都准备好了,扫好了街,摆好了酒,准备犒劳你的三军,你既然来了你就进城来嘛,来,来,来,上城来,听我抚琴。” Everybody smiles again, thought that Zhuge Liang of Zhang Ye historical novel was too a little dreadful 大家再笑,觉得张烨演义的诸葛亮有点太猥琐了 Zhang Ye said suddenly: „Sima Yi arrived at the city to get down at this time, gains ground smacks the lips, the heart said...... This buddy what meaning? Invited me to go upstairs with your together Karaoke? Oh, I come up Kara, you my ok? I on this do not work as, removes” 张烨眨眼道:“司马懿这时候已经来到城下了,抬头一咂嘴,心说……这哥们儿什么意思啊？邀请我上楼跟你一起卡拉ok？噢,我上去卡拉,你把我ok了？我才不上这个当呢,撤” Everybody laughter was bigger 大家笑声更大了 Zhang Ye also check corners of the mouth, „my second issue is, doesn't this matter conform to the logic from the start, why Sima Yi does not dare to attack? Nothing but is feared that in the city has the ambush, how many people so is big in a city to bury? Cold war era, is impossible to bury a Scud missile? What weapon of mass destruction is also impossible to have, do I send a reconnaissance company to go to have a look to be good? Why can withdraw troops?” 张烨也勾勾嘴角,“我的第二个问题就是,这件事压根不符合逻辑,司马懿为什么不敢进攻？无非就是怕城内有埋伏嘛,就那么大一个城池里面能埋多少人啊？冷兵器时代,也不可能埋一个飞毛腿导弹啊？也不可能有什么大规模杀伤性武器啊,我派一个侦察连进去看看行不行？为什么要撤兵啊？” Scud missile? 飞毛腿导弹？ Destructive weapons? 杀伤性武器？ The audiences laugh once again 观众们又一次大笑不已 horse Hengzhi several people had not spoken, by being dumbfounded that Zhang Ye asked 马恒志几人却都没吭声了,被张烨问的哑口无言 Zhang Ye looks at Ma Hengyuan saying: „, Hasn't your Sima Yi been able to see Zhuge Liang? Didn't hear him to play a qin on tower over a city gate? Also can hear him to sing Karaoke, that explained that both sides are away from are near, you feared that has the ambush not to dare to enter a city, why don't you ask an archer shooting Zhuge Liang? Why can walk?”, „ Moreover, the view of if according to Guo flushing, or defers to the view of «Romance of the Three Kingdoms», the both sides military strength was very disparate, has to say 200,000, had to say hundreds of thousands, did you encircle not to hit to be good? You encircle three days this city five days, surrounds them to be good? In withdrew troops 张烨看着马恒元道:“还有,你司马懿不是都能看到诸葛亮了吗？不是都听到他在城楼上抚琴了吗？还能听到他唱卡拉ok,那就说明双方距离非常近啊,你就算怕有埋伏不敢进城,那你为什么不找一个弓箭手把诸葛亮给射下来？为什么要走啊？”顿了顿,“再者说,如果按照郭冲的说法,或者按照《三国演义》的说法,双方兵力十分悬殊,有说200000的,有说十几万的,那你围而不打行不行啊？你把这个城围起来三天五天,困住他们行不行？于嘛就撤兵了 Zhang Ye three asked that nobody replied 张烨三问,无人应答 Everybody heard to be enthralled, some people dumbfounded 大家都听得入神了,有些人更是呆住了 They could not say including Ma Hengyuan incoming call, Zhang Ye each issue was too intense, makes their several scholars do does not understand 连马恒元他们也说不出来话,张烨的每一个问题都太尖锐了,也让他们几个学者都搞不明白了 Doesn't have the Fortress Stratagem really? 真的没有空城计？ Really is this fabricates Hu Bian to come out? 这真是杜撰胡编出来的？ Zhang Ye summarized: „Therefore Fortress Stratagem this view, is unreliable, as for other, for example burns down Bo Wang, burns down Sinyeh, the straw boat borrows the arrow, borrows the east wind, this is historically has not recorded, but the Literature work portrayed too him has exaggerated, Zhuge Liang has become the person of divine strategy, other these military officers have become the fool, oh, dispatched troops to go to war, a Zhuge Liang military order round, how many military officers went to where? Their one's own does not know that on the past, said to the place directly again, then arrived at the place not in other, first opens the military to their brocade sack, the excellent plan, then knows that must in any dozen of anything, this rather also too worked as the child's play the war” 张烨总结道:“所以空城计这个说法,根本是靠不住的,至于其他的,比如说火烧博望,火烧新野,草船借箭,借东风,这都是历史上没有记载的,但是文学作品把他刻画得太夸张了,诸葛亮成了个神机妙算的人,其他那些将领都成了傻子,噢,一出兵打仗,诸葛亮将令一发,几个将领去哪里啊？他们自己都不知道,直接就过去了,到了地方再说,然后到了地点不于别的,先翻开军事给他们的锦囊,锦囊妙计嘛,然后才知道要于什么打什么,这未免也太把战争当儿戏了” At this moment, does not know that is who applauded 这一刻,也不知是谁鼓起了掌 Many audiences together have then roused a palm 啪啪啪,然后好多观众都跟着一起鼓了一次掌 Splendid 精彩啊 Too splendid 太精彩了啊 Who said that Zhang Ye this Host will not speak the three countries not to understand the history? The thing that he spoke not only had the interest humorously, but also subverted everybody's cognition, making the person not invest on own initiative, even the historical knowledge did not have any issue, had not looked that Ma Hengyuan Xu Teacher and Xu Editor they were asked silly 谁说张烨这个主持人不会讲三国不懂历史的啊？他讲的东西不但幽默有趣味,而且非常颠覆大家的认知,让人不自觉地就投入进去了,甚至历史知识而言也毫无任何问题,没看马恒元徐老师和徐编辑他们都被问傻了么 Most essential is, just took Zhou Yu's matter to refute Ma Hengyuan, spoke of Zhuge Liang, before Ma Hengyuan teaching time may also just mention Zhuge Liang is intelligent is fierce, finally Zhang Ye ejects a bomb in an instant, the Fortress Stratagem does not exist to borrow the east wind radically is Hu Bian Zhuge Liang also from the start is not the military genius 最关键是,刚拿周瑜的事情反驳了马恒元,又说到了诸葛亮,之前马恒元讲课的时候可又是刚提到了诸葛亮多么多么聪明多么多么厉害,结果张烨转眼间就抛出一枚炸弹,空城计根本不存在借东风根本就是胡编的诸葛亮也压根不是什么军事天才 This is not face-smacking is anything 这不是打脸是什么啊 Zhang Ye overall denied the batch they to be a mass of cuts and bruises the viewpoints of Ma Hengyuan and two honored guests( 张烨把马恒元和两个嘉宾的观点全盘否定了批得他们体无完肤( …… ……