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#239: Decline with leader


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Can join the song courtyard faction?” What outside looks at king Qi, very sincere saying: I said that joins. Very official that type.” “要不要加入歌庭派?”何外尔看着王崎,很诚恳的说道:“我说的,是正是加入。非常正式的那一种。” king Qi knows that what outside refers to anything. School of thought is the spontaneous civil society organization in the official definition, generally speaking also has no strict rules and regulations, you only need saying that is some school of scholar, but that school of most scholars have not expressed the explicit opposition on the line. 王崎知道何外尔指的是什么。“学派”在官方的定义上属于自发性的民间组织,一般来说也没有什么严格的规章制度,你只需要自称是某一派的学者、而那一派的大多数学者没有表示明确反对就行了。 However, in this is also quite official. 但是,这里面也是有比较正式的。 School of thought to put it bluntly is the small group that some ideological close scholars compose, is an interpersonal net. If a leader of school of thought ushers in this circle someone, this can be called as officially. “学派”说白了就是思想相近的一些学者组成的小圈子,是一个人际网。如果一个学派的领军人物将某一个人领进这个圈子,这就可以称作“正式”了。 Initially had not called common people national champion Feng Luoyi, was calculated the Lord introduction song courtyard faction. 当初还不叫“苍生国手”的冯落衣,也就是被算主引入歌庭派的。 But what outside to king Qi said that is also this type. 而何外尔对王崎说的,也是这种。 king Qi grins to smile, but simply has not exuded the sound. Passed the moment, he said in a low voice: I think senior who the song courtyard sends does not like greatly my.” 王崎咧开嘴笑了笑,可根本没发出声。过了片刻,他才低声道:“我原以为歌庭派的诸位前辈是不大喜欢我的。” In final final, calculates that lord clear is holding as before by some chance thought that hopes that is incomplete the truth that reveals to have the deviation or only based on this effective, hopes oneself planned also to have the opportunity. He understood the Goodall incomplete theorem, but has not actually approved completely. 在最后的最后,算主希柏澈依旧抱着“万一”的念头,希望不完备揭示的道理有偏差或者只在一定范围内有效,希望自己原本的计划还有机会。他理解了哥德尔不完备定理,但是却没有完全认同。 Feng Luoyi because also support and promoted incomplete theorem , but the song courtyard faction was gradually estranged. 就连冯落衣也因为支持、推广不完备定理而与歌庭派逐渐生分了。 king Qi did not feel, oneself made what theory recently, will make the song courtyard faction think that must recruit itself is not possible. 王崎不觉得,自己最近做出了什么理论,会让歌庭派觉得非得吸收自己不可。 Matter that you want to handle, is very difficult.” What outside earnest saying: Is doomed not to like your method and mentality including the sect, regardless of you made anything. But on the other hand, will not like you to the person of sect, they will only feel, you were extremely arrogant, but crosses the threshold for ten years, but ties pill period, wants the matter that is the teachers unable to complete particularly, teacher because of your reason, but has to leave ten thousand methods.” “你想要做的事情,是非常艰难的。”何外尔认真的说道:“连宗注定不会喜欢你的方法与思路无论你做出了什么。而另一方面,离宗的人也不会喜欢你,他们只会觉得,你太过自大了,不过入门十年,不过是结丹期,就想要做老师都没能完成的事情尤其是,老师还是因为你的缘故而不得不离开万法门。” But, joining the song courtyard sent to be different.” “但是,加入歌庭派就不一样了。” You are the disciple of Mr. Feng, is in itself close to our standpoints. Moreover, so long as entered the song courtyard, some people will naturally regard you for teacher energetic inheritance, will not have more people hostile to you. Moreover, the song courtyard faction can also depress person's of these even/including sects responses.” “你是冯先生的弟子,本身就与我们的立场相近。而且,只要进入了歌庭,就自然会有人视你为老师精神的传承者,不会有更多人敌视你。而且,歌庭派也能够压下那些连宗之人的反应。” Spoke the honest remark, king Qi had moves. 说实在话,王崎是有那么一些动心了。 Joins the song courtyard faction, calculates the family/home regarding one, is in itself one type honor. 加入歌庭派,对于一个算家来说,本身就是一种“荣誉”。 Moreover, joins the song courtyard faction, truly can omit his many times. Calculates that Lord is that type can many people gather, have the leader of charisma at oneself side. If obtains the personal connection that this having pupils everywhere powerhouse left behind, king Qi will handle matters will facilitate without doubt many. 而且,加入歌庭派,也确实可以省去他很多功夫。算主就是那一种能够将很多人聚集在自己身边的、具有人格魅力的领袖。如果得到了这位桃李满天下的强者留下的人脉,王崎办事无疑就会方便很多。 At least, he does not use like the present, finds the person who several can do the research together casually, must start the public opinion, does the talk of the town, then through the person who long explaining religious doctrine screening repeatedly he approves. 至少,他不用像现在这样,随便找几个能够一起做研究的人,都要发动舆论,搞得满城风雨,然后再通过漫长的讲道一遍遍的筛选出他认同的人。 If the song courtyard faction, it is estimated that only needs several high rank member a few words, naturally can have many to visit. 如果是歌庭派,估计只需要几位高阶修士一句话,就自然会有很多人自己上门。 But king Qi shakes the head finally: Sorry senior. Your good intention I declined with thanks, but this invitation, I feared that cannot comply.” 但王崎最终还是摇了摇头:“对不起啊前辈。您的好意我心领了,但是这个邀约,我怕是不能答应。” Why?” What outside seems like not accidental/surprised, he is only somewhat wants to know king Qi the idea. “为什么?”何外尔看起来并不意外,他只是有些想要知道王崎的想法。 „Do I feel, the song courtyard to send not to suit me greatly?” “我只是觉得、歌庭派不大适合我?” If you worried that algebraic topology no one and you exchange, is not necessary. Although the geometries and analysis situs these issues are regarded as even/including sect the category, but in fact, our song courtyard faction also does well. My same side Ai Ruoche in this domain is the authority, geometrical foundation of teacher is also this domain important work. Again upward the backward, in the clouds the young master Crain shade is also extraordinary everyone “若是你担心代数拓扑这一块没人与你交流的话,大可不必。虽然几何、拓扑这些问题被认作是连宗的范畴,可实际上,我们歌庭派也做得不错。我的同门艾若澈在这个领域就是权威,老师的几何根基篇也是这个领域的重要著作。再往上追溯,云中公子柯兰荫也是了不得的大家” In the mechanical impressions of other school member, even/including Zongpian the how much analysis situs, left the sect leaning theory of numbers logic is the general knowledge. But in fact, extreme even/including sect is also insufficient not to understand the set theory completely in fact, calculates that Monarch Pang Jia even this field of endeavor expert, he also feels generally, the set theory is very easy-to-use tool. even/including sect refuses to regard as the foundation of arithmetic the set theory, that is all. 在其他门派修士的刻板印象当中,连宗偏几何拓扑、离宗偏数论逻辑已经是常识了。可实际上,再极端的连宗也不至于完全不懂集合论实际上,算君庞家莱甚至还是此道高手,他也觉得在一般情况下,集合论是很好用的工具。连宗只是拒绝将集合论视作算学的基础,仅此而已。 But is naturally impossible not to understand the how much and analysis situs to completely. The flood day changes knows during the method functional analysis quite important tool „the space to calculate that” is to the masterpiece of sect, but calculates that the lord once researched in thorough detail the geometry. 而离宗自然也不可能完全不懂几何、拓扑。泛天变知法泛函分析当中相当重要的工具“相宇算”乃是离宗的杰作,而算主更是曾精研几何学。 Calculates that Lord many concepts in geometry, was snorted contemptuously by even/including sect. 只是,算主在几何学上的许多观念,都被连宗嗤之以鼻。 king Qi shakes the head: No, is not the reason in this aspect I felt, if enters the song courtyard faction, may be impeded everywhere.” 王崎还是摇摇头:“不,不是这方面的原因我只是觉得,万一进入歌庭派,或许会处处受掣肘罢了。” Impeding what outside laughs in spite of trying not to: Now by your talent, who can impede you?” “掣肘”何外尔失笑:“现在以你的才情,有谁能够掣肘你呢?” When discussed that everywhere with the sound that my concept did not coincide greatly, why not like to impede?” king Qi shakes the head: You should also be able to feel, I used for reference calculated the Lord thought that but with calculating Lord cannot calculate a road early. But the song courtyard faction, almost all calculates the Lord student.” “若是讨论之时,处处都是与我观念不大相合的声音,有如何不是掣肘呢?”王崎摇头:“您也应该感受得到,我借鉴了算主的思维,但是与算主早并不能算一条路的了。而歌庭派,几乎全都是算主的学生。” Calculates that the Lord past years was when compile how much foundation, sprouted axiomization and formalization concept and complete compatible decidability ideal objective. 算主当年是在编篡几何根基篇的时候,萌生出“公理化”、“形式化”观念与“完备性相容性可判定性”的理想目标的。 king Qi now at matter of doing, with initial calculates that Lord resembles, therefore, what outside can also see these two's differences. 王崎现在在做的事情,与当初的算主非常相像,因此,何外尔也可以看出这两者的不同之处。 king Qi disregarded completely calculated the Lord initial goal. Or he does not think that proved any special proposition, can obtain the general rule of entire arithmetic system. He is using a slow method, the overall construction of little revelation math 王崎根本就无视了算主当初的目标。或者说,他已经不认为证明出什么特殊的命题,就可以求得整个算学体系的一般规律。他在用一种缓慢的方法,一点点的揭示数学的整体结构 After all is different. 终归是不同的。 On Earth, once some scientists sighed with sadness: A new scientific truth gains the victory through not letting its opponents believes and sees the truth the light, but died through these opponents finally, is familiar with its new generation to grow. 地球上,曾经有科学家悲叹:一个新的科学真理取得胜利并不是通过让它的反对者们信服并看到真理的光明,而是通过这些反对者们最终死去,熟悉它的新一代成长起来。 In the world that in this opponent will not die, this seemed difficult. 而在这个“反对者”不会死去的世界里,这就显得艰难了。 Also the truly indisputable fact, will make these once opponent changes own view. 也只有真正无可辩驳的事实,才会让那些曾经的“反对者”改变自己的看法。 However, in arithmetic imbalance speculation domain, indisputable the fact, might be easy to obtain, possibly the hardships obtain. 但是,在算学这个偏重思辨的领域,“无可辩驳”的事实,可能很容易就得到,也可能千难万险才取得。 What outside has not said anything again, he had understood king Qi the idea. 何外尔没有再说什么,他已经明白了王崎的想法。 Your heart is very big.” He laughs in spite of trying not, then sits, sits in together the precipice, looks at the west side. The setting sun has set, the little red light crosses the horizon because of the refraction of atmosphere. They struggle are killing in the cloud layer, incarnadine western scrap sky. “你心还挺大的。”他失笑,然后坐下来,坐在一块山岩上,看着西边。夕阳已经落山了,只有一点点红色光因为大气的折射而越过地平线。它们挣扎着撞死在云层上,染红了西边的一小块天空。 This was the final afterglow. 这就是最后的余晖了。 Facing is Monarch, do you have the pressure?” “面对算君,你有压力吗?” king Qi draws out the sword, drew a circle on the ground: This is a circle.” 王崎拔出剑,在地上画了一个圆圈:“这是一个圆。” Without definition, calling it the block also to might as well.” What outside look had relaxed, spoke thoughtlessly to say. “在没有定义的情况下,叫它方块也无妨。”何外尔神色已经放松了下来,随口说道。 Even if there is a member Yang Shenge to go crazy, overnight changed everyone's cognition, calling the divine land everyone clan to manage it to call the block, had no way to change its attribute. It has the infinite many symmetry operations, its symmetry group is the cycle group, Yang Shenge the member is impossible merely to depend on the consciousness operation to make its symmetry have the breaking. In the spoken language of person clan, it just called the rounding to consider the dialect exactly, perhaps also a Arimaro kind of name? That is all.” “就算有阳神阁修士发疯,一夜之间改变了所有人的认知,叫神州所有人族都管它叫方块,也没法改变它的属性。它有无限多种对称操作,它的对称群是循环群,阳神阁的修士不可能仅仅靠意识操作就让它的对称性发生破缺。在人族的言语当中,它只不过恰好叫做圆考虑到方言,或许还有丸儿一类称呼?仅此而已。” Person clan called it for the circle, dragon Zuyu, thought fluctuation of monster clan language and during sea god class, there is an equal concept. These concepts, aims in the same definition same plane, is equal to the fixed-length point set to the distance of fixed point. This is its essence. It called the circle, block and wine glass ha not to relate.” “人族称呼它为圆,龙族语、妖族语、海神类的思维波动之中,也有等价的概念。这些概念,又指向同一个定义同一平面内,到定点的距离等于定长的点的集合。这就是它的本质。它叫圆、方块、酒杯还是呜呜啊啊呜哇都没关系。” king Qi looks at what outside sincerely: I always think. The arithmetic, has the comfortable system. The essence of arithmetic, the thought of our person clan, but also is not enough to define it. Now is not good, in the foreseeable future will not be good. Therefore, how we saw that the arithmetic is unimportant. In my opinion, to even/including sect is also only two different routes, two thinking modes. If I really made anything, so long as it does not have mistake logically, so long as it is correct, calculates that Monarch not possible to beat it.” 王崎真诚地看着何外尔:“我始终是这么认为的。算学,就是自有自在的体系。算学的本质呢,我们人族的思维,还不足以定义它。现在不行,在可预见的将来也不行。所以,我们如何看算学并不重要。在我看来,离宗连宗也只是两条不同的路线,两种思维方式。如果我真的做出了什么,只要它没有逻辑上的错误,只要它是正确的,算君就不可能将它击垮。” Has what outside to laugh in spite of trying not to comfortably: „Wasn't this concept, close to even/including sect very much?” On his face shows the look of recollection, initially I also had other same side to say with my teacher, said you, although looked down upon even/including sect a feeling saying, but you in the middle of seeking the process of main road, did not rely on the feeling? In fact you are also the beneficiary of that thought. At that time, the teacher cussed out me. That the first time is I was scolded there the teacher. Also at that time, I started to be far away from the same side, camp that joined even/including sect.” “自有自在”何外尔失笑:“这个观念,不是很接近连宗了吗?”他脸上露出回忆的神色,“当初我就跟我老师还有其他的同门讲过,说你们虽然看不起连宗的感觉一说,可是你们在探求大道的过程当中,不还是依赖感觉的吗?实际上你们也是那个思想的受益者。那个时候,老师就将我臭骂了一顿。那是我第一次在老师那儿挨骂。也就在那时,我开始远离同门,加入连宗的阵营。” even/including sect believes, the arithmetic is a whole of objective existence. But person feeling, is one type is above the direct feel, to arithmetic's assurance. 连宗就认为,算学是一个客观存在的整体。而人的“感觉”,就是一种超乎直观感受的、对算学本身的把握。 Perhaps I said that you were not possibly happy, actually I do not believe the feeling. My own feeling does not believe.” king Qidao: Even if I often act emotionally, is still this.” “或许我这么说您可能不高兴吧,其实我是不怎么相信感觉的。就连我自己的感觉也不相信。”王崎道:“就算我时常跟着感觉走,也是这样。” Why?” “为什么?” Because, calculates that the Lord feeling was wrong.” king Qi sighed: Hoped the senior he extremely to believe the feeling. He really believes that complete existence, actually does not know, the arithmetic is actually not entire. I did not think that discussed the talent talent, I can Bysshe senior be stronger.” “因为,就连算主的感觉都错了。”王崎叹道:“希前辈他太过相信感觉了。他真的相信完备的存在,却不知道,算学其实是不全的。我不觉得论天分才情,我能够比希前辈更强。” I listened to Feng Luoyi saying that you had a problem, liked using some also the method in suspicion, thinks that you were the person of that deviation feeling.” What outside shakes the head: Interesting.” “我听冯落衣说,你有个毛病,就是还是蛮喜欢使用一些还在猜想中的方法,以为你是那种偏向感觉的人。”何外尔摇摇头:“有意思。” king Qi blushes with shame. 王崎汗颜。 Actually he also where has to own feeling self-confidently? 其实他又哪里是对自己的感觉有自信呢? He knows history. 他只是知晓“历史”而已。 This performance falls to other person of eyes, seemed very contradictory. 这个表现落到其他人眼中,就显得很矛盾了。 However, the odd people of ten thousand methods have not been short, what outside has not cared. He looks the red that the west side vanishes little, say/way actually I look for you, has the selfishness.” 不过,万法门的怪人从来没少过,何外尔也没有在意。他看着西边一点点消失的红色,道“其实我来找你,也是有私心的。” I after all am not peak I. The teacher spoke the song courtyard to send the junction held in my hand the time, I was very disturbed, I thought that the song courtyard sent unable to pound in my hands. Then, I heard your saying, therefore understood especially. Then I discovered, you are the teacher spiritual successor.” “我毕竟已经不是巅峰的我了。老师讲歌庭派交托到我手上的时候,我是很忐忑的,我觉得歌庭派不能砸在我手里。然后,我又听说了你的讲道,所以特地来了解。然后我发现,你才是老师精神上的继承者。” Knows? If you are willing to join the song courtyard a moment ago, after 100 years, that library was your.” To be continued “知道吗?如果刚才你肯加入歌庭的话,一百年过后,那个书斋就是你的了。”未完待续
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