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#175: To the rebel? To the benchmark?


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„After listening to this story, senior thinks that should also know the content of my paper. In this regard, I felt actually, was very difficult to say this was the good fortune, was unfortunately.” “听完这个故事之后,诸位前辈想必也应该知道了我论文的内容。关于这一点,我倒是觉得,很难说这是幸事,还是不幸。” king Qi the tone is very tranquil, is very gentle, probably that astonishing theory, did not stem from his mouth a moment ago, but was another anyone says was the same. 王崎的语气很平静,也很平和,好像刚才那惊人的理论,不是出自于他的的口,而是另外一个什么人说的一样。 Good fortune?” Eck looked up king Qi one eyes, the forced smile, then shakes the head slightly: I may be unable to see, this inside has anything to make people think lucky.” “幸事?”艾克蛮抬头看了王崎一眼,微微苦笑,然后又摇了摇头:“我可看不出,这里面有什么让人觉得幸运的。” king Qi shows a faint smile: If some day, we really can manage one set of logic, in the puppet like my story examines the officer to judge that mechanism/organization people, judges an arithmetic proposition the genuine and fake, our these are the families/home, whether significance of existence? Perhaps when the time comes, the divine land did not need what ten thousand methods. Ultimate calculates, exceeds us to be complete.” 王崎微微一笑:“若是有朝一日,我们真的可以理出一套逻辑,像我故事中傀儡审官判断机关人本身一样,判断一个算学命题的真假,那我们这些算家,是否还有存在的意义?恐怕到时候,神州再也不需要什么万法门了。一台终极算器,就胜过我们全部。” All member ten thousand Famen, lower the head, in the look the god light flash moves. 所有的万法门修士,都低下头,眼神之中神光闪动。 If really to that situation , ten thousand methods truly had no necessity of existence. Ultimate calculates, regardless has what issue in the arithmetic, can give the ultimate Buddhist musical instrument of explanation in a short time. That simply is the thing of shortcut. 若是真的到了那个地步,那么,万法门确实没有什么存在的必要了。一台终极算器无论在算学上有什么问题,都能在短时间内给出解释的终极法器。那简直就是近道之物。 Arrived that step, the arithmetic also came to the end. 到了那一步,算学也就走到了尽头。 Then, does the arithmetic come to the end now? 那么,现在算学走到了尽头吗? Perhaps is far from. 恐怕远远没有。 On Earth, once some innumerable scholars clamored physics to come to the end as before, human are going to hold on to the ultimate truth. That time, is the classical physical most prosperous time right, is only the classical physics. 地球上,曾经有无数学者叫嚣“物理学依旧走到了尽头”,“人类将要掌握终极的真理”。那个时代,是经典物理最鼎盛的时代没错,只是经典物理。 The person of that time even declared, in the sky of physics is sunny, but there are two small dark clouds. 那个时代的人甚至宣称,“物理学的天空上阳光灿烂,只是有两朵小乌云”。 This is only because, they cannot see next. 这只是因为,他们看不到下一步。 Cannot see next, thinks oneself reached the limit. In fact, they did not have even also only to stay in the initial boundary. 看不到下一步,就以为自己走到了极限。实际上,他们还没有甚至还只停留在最初的境界。 Did the present divine land arithmetic, with how resemble at that time? 如今的神州算学,和当时何其相像? Now looks like, divine land the say/way of distance true Heavenly Dao of gifts of heaven circulation far, the say/way of arithmetic on the distance true Heavenly Dao far. 现在看来,神州的天物流转之道距离真正天道有多远,算学之道就距离真正天道有多远。 After listening to king Qi the words . All calculation families/home retrieved finally warmly. But, some people sighed as before: Said is not false......, but, but also who dares to ask to be said?” 听了王崎的话之后。所有的算家总算是找回了一点热情。可是,依旧有人感叹:“说得是不假……可是以后,还有谁敢求算道?” king Qi incomplete, cannot determine, almost on the say/way of entire arithmetic gets nihility the label. 王崎的不完备、不可判定,几乎就是在整个算学之道上打上“虚无”的标签。 In this case. Who does also dare to seek the say/way of arithmetic? You cannot even believe that the say/way that oneself asked was meaningful. 这种情况下。还有谁敢去探求算学之道呢?你甚至都不敢相信,自己所求的道是有意义的。 This is not to the heart of say/way not firm issue. Because, king Qi is incomplete, cannot determine, infers according to the arithmetic. Showed that the process is impregnable. 这不是什么“向道之心”不坚定的问题。因为,王崎的不完备,不可判定,都是根据算学本身推导出来的。证明过程无懈可击。 This for example, the Buddha slaughters and lives at the Buddhist meeting suddenly to feed the flesh, melts the shape of fiendish features, Buddhist is firm to the heart of say/way, it is estimated that cannot withstand this grade of stimulation. 这就好比说,佛祖在法会上突然大开杀戒、生啖人肉,化青面獠牙之形,佛教徒的向道之心再坚定,估计也经不起这等刺激。 king Qi, this ripped arithmetic that temperate false face , making its terrifying the essence expose. 王崎,这就是剥去了算学那温和的假面,,让它恐怖的本质暴露出来。 Sees the numerous free expression to move fast, king Qi heart forced smile. 见众逍遥的表情飘忽,王崎心底苦笑。 Mathematics circles of Earth, after undergoing this ups and downs. Depressed 20-30 years. During these 20-30 years, indeed have the mathematical achievement to appear, but before actually no longer that grand occasion. 地球的数学界,在经历了这一出波折之后。消沉了20-30年。这20-30年当中,的确还是有数学成果出现,但是却不复之前的那种盛况。 Requests these free and unfettered member to accept immediately not completely, cannot determine this twofold truth, truly forces someone to do something against his will. 要求这些逍遥修士立刻接受不完备、不可判定这两重道理,也确实是强人所难。 However, about how to study issue, king Qi is a little mentality. 不过,关于“如何研究”的问题,王崎还是有一点思路的。 In fact, regarding, how the arithmetic must walk from now on, the younger generation actually has a little idea.” “实际上,对于从今往后,算学要如何走下去,晚辈其实是有那么一点想法的。” king Qi this word, making the people who listened attentively to experience the slight fluctuation. 王崎此言,让倾听的众人又出现了些微的波动。 Looking ahead. No one is qualified. Here is doing, what is the divine land most summit top is the family/home. Except for calculating Monarch and Lord, in this world also some people can direct to them, said that you then should do that? 展望未来。不是谁都有资格去做的。这里在做的,都是神州最巅顶的算家。除了算君和算主,这世上还有人能够对着他们指指点点,说“你们接下来应该这么做”吗? This does not face the populace. To low rank member, arithmetic but who is going against their these most summit. 这不是面向大众。面向低阶修士,而是对着他们这些最巅顶的算学家。 He does, is not the irresponsible prediction, but is similar to five-year plan programmatic thing. Can achieve this point, can lead the person of time and leading the field all. This person, even if not the school of thought leader, calculates the gate leader. Also differs is not far. 他所做的,更不是什么不负责任的预言,而是类似于“五年计划”的纲领性的东西。能够做到这一点的,无不是能引领时代、独占鳌头之人。这种人,即使不是学派领袖、算门魁首。也相差不远了。 Before the song courtyard sends, for the leader, once god revered, the clouds young master Crain shade, by together the guiding principle, the integration the recent antiquity geometry and substitution group, founded ten thousand methods law general rule ten thousand laws passed the time. Also because of this, he is considered as can with the person who calculating Monarch compares. Here finger/refers of Erlangen guiding principle 歌庭派前代领袖,曾经的神尊、云端公子柯兰荫,也是以一道纲领,统合了近古几何学以及变换群,开创了万法门“一法通则万法通”的时代。也正是因为这样,他才被认为是能够与算君一较长短的人。【这里指埃尔朗根纲领】 But he summarizes, only then geometries and group theory two domains. 而他所概括的,也只有几何、群论两个领域而已。 king Qi an opens the mouth, said is actually entire arithmetic. 王崎一开口,说的却是整个算学界。 If were the average person said that even if thinks the free and unfettered member, perhaps these summits go against the member to open the mouth to reprimand. 如果是一般人这么说,哪怕是以为逍遥修士,恐怕这些巅顶修士都会开口斥责。 However, only king Qi, no one dares to accuse. 但是,唯独王崎,无人敢指责。 The Greek gate 23 asked during second asked with tenth asked had the weight/quantity. The song courtyard sends many free and unfettered attacking a fortified position, has not seen the hopes of a wee bit solution. But this youngster solved. 希门二十三问当中的第二问和第十问太有分量了。歌庭派众多逍遥攻坚,都未曾看到一丁点解决的希望。可是这个少年就解决了。 In perhaps the supernatural power, he is also short of an accumulation. However, in the domain of operation logic, he is the summit top number. 法力上,他或许还欠缺一点积累。但是,在算理逻辑的领域,他乃是巅顶级数。 In fact, I must plan that shows a path I even not to have this qualifications to the development trend of arithmetic, moreover I also know that does this definitely is works to no avail, in fact is a laughable matter. I always believe that just like the future calculation family/home the past calculation family/home was the same, will not always go back. They with the new viewpoint will view the issue through the relations that we cannot think, solves us to leave their major problems just concerned about the experience, we do not know.” “事实上,我既不能够也不打算给算学的未来发展指明一条道路我甚至没有这个资格,而且我也知道这样做肯定是劳而无功的,实际上是一件可笑的事。我始终坚信,未来的算家正如过去的算家一样,总不会走老路。他们会通过我们想不到的关系用新观点看问题,去解决我们留给他们的大问题只不过碍于见识,我们不知道。” But, I at least know, I can make anything.” “但是,我至少知道,自己能够做什么。” Incomplete and cannot determine is not the dreadful matter. The indistinct say/way proved in microscopic domain, the determinism loses. However, there is no influence on the macroscopic world. We win as before , in a world that has because of having the fruit.” king Qidao: I, although proved the arithmetic completeness and decidability defect. However, I proved they exist, has not actually known that they happen where. We are also far from edge that touches the arithmetic. In the known arithmetic domain, the significance that incomplete and cannot be determined is not big.” “不完备和不可判定并不是什么可怕的事情。缥缈之道证明了微观领域里,确定性丧失。但是,这对宏观的世界没有任何影响。我们依旧胜在一个有因有果的世界里。”王崎道:“我虽然证明了算学完备性和可判定性的缺失。但是,我只是证明了它们存在,却还不知道它们发生在何处。我们还远远没有触碰到算学的边缘。在已知的算学领域里,不完备和不可判定的意义不大。” „At least at the present, our known arithmetic has not produced the contradiction with the fact of this world.” “至少在现在,我们已知的算学并没有和这个世界的客观事实产生矛盾。” Perhaps, we will one day face all these sooner or later. To inquire about that like us the microscopic world, has to facing not determine is the same. However, on that day is not now.” “或许,我们迟早有一天会面对这一切。就像我们想要探寻微观的世界,就不得不面对‘不确定’一样。但是,那一天不是现在。” That research had not been done in the past, now is also too early, the extant arithmetic is also at least not enough to touch that region. I believe that when we touch that boundary, has reached in the level of consciousness regarding the need of proof, has the technology of this demand to develop, but is not now.” “那种研究过去还没有进行过,现在也还为时过早,至少现存的算学还不足以触及那个区域。我相信,当我们触及那个境界的时候,对于证明的需要早已达到意识的水平上,同时具有这种需求的技术已经发展起来但不是现在。” However beyond this domain, some of we also many meaningful issues can study. For example the Greek gate 23 calculate during fifth calculates the clouding over type and substitution group ; Li suspected, when we give up after attacking and capturing its sharp weapon by the clouding over type, new hope at present ; Calculates that the two reciprocity laws of king senior...... we can see, the arithmetic is progressing as before. We can take a step to lead the way as before.” “而在这个领域之外,我们还有很多有意义的问题可以研究。比如希门二十三算之中的第五算变天式与变换群;黎氏猜想当我们放弃以变天式做为攻克它的利器之后,新的希望就在眼前;算王前辈的二次互反律……我们可以看到,算学依旧在进步。我们依旧可以迈步前行。” In fact, regarding did not ask the fellow daoist of Yuan calculation, incomplete and cannot determine or is not same, had no influence on their work.” “实际上,对于不求元算的道友来说,不完备和不可判定又或者没有都一样,对他们的工作没有任何影响。” However regarding the Yuan calculates that fellow daoist, our battle paths, just started! Some of our also a lot must be done!” “而对于元算道的道友来说,我们的征途,才刚刚开始!我们还有很多事情要做!” To some sect person of not indignation: Actually do we have what to do?” 离宗有人不忿:“我们究竟还有什么能做的?” We pursue, had been destroyed by you. 我们所追求的,已经被你摧毁。 I completed issue that hopes the senior, therefore thought that didn't have the issue to solve?” king Qi shakes the head. “我完成了希前辈的问题,所以诸位就觉得没有问题可以解了吗?”王崎摇摇头。 The academic circle, solves the problem basically to be equal to that robs rice bowl. Suspects is confirmed that has the mathematician unemployment of innumerably pointing at this suspicion eating meal law. Here these free and unfettered member, are not only a heart vacillate, was taken away for the goal that it struggles. 学术界,解决问题基本上就等于“抢饭碗”。一个猜想被验证,就有无数指着这个猜想吃饭法的数学家失业。这里的这些逍遥修士,不仅仅是道心动摇,更是被夺去了为之奋斗的目标。 Just, his Wang selects the ways of these goals, is clearly opposite with these person of ideal ways, therefore they are unable to accept at once. 只不过,他王某人摘取这些目标的方式,和这些人理想的方式截然相反,所以他们一时之间无法接受。 However...... 但是…… Calculates that Lord had said that has the issue, explained that this division/discipline is developing.” king Qi sighed: Incomplete with cannot determine, is the tremendous problem that I expose. As for bypassing mentality me of this issue has actually said six years ago.” “算主曾经说过,有问题,才说明这个学科正在发展。”王崎叹道:“不完备与不可判定,就是我暴露出的巨大问题。至于绕过这个问题的思路其实我在六年前就说过了。” Six years ago......” “六年之前……” Some calculates that the family/home showed the complex look. Six years ago, king Qi in became at the feast truly to say some mentality. However at that time, no one cared. All of them will regard the point individual attainment point individual research mentality of this junior. Even is perfect, what significance also there is? 有一些算家露出了复杂神色。六年之前,王崎在器成之宴上确实说过了一些“思路”。但是那个时候,没人在意。他们所有人都将之当成了这个小辈的一点个人心得一点个人的研究思路而已。就算再完善,又有什么意义? However, no one has expected, today, he showed that calculates after Lord mentality error, that no one has cared about mentality, becomes will leave the development direction of sect unexpectedly in the future. 但是,谁也没有料到,今日,他证明算主思路的谬误之后,那个谁也没有在乎过的思路,竟会成为未来离宗的发展方向。 At this time looks at this youngster again. 此时再看这个少年。 To the rebel? 离宗叛逆? To the future leader? 离宗未来领袖? Many free and unfettered member saw this point indistinctly. But in the sentiment, they have not been able to accept at once. 诸多逍遥修士隐约看到了这一点。只不过感情上,他们一时之间还无法接受罢了。 Feng Luoyi coughed lightly two: Believes that here, roughly understood the mentality and idea of king Qi this person. Now, king Qi, you can give everyone to explain your paper.” 冯落衣轻咳了两声:“相信到了这里,诸位也就都大致了解王崎这个人的思路、理念了。现在,王崎,你可以给大家讲解你的论文了。” king Qi nods, according to the standard 60%, started to tell that own paper «by May Calculate Number And Application in Determination Issue». 王崎点点头,按照标准了60%,开始讲述自己的论文《论可计算数及其在判定问题上的应用》。 Calculates that Monarch interest is still not big, shakes the head saying: Hundred do not have uses.” 算君对此兴趣依旧不大,摇摇头道:“百无一用。” «By May Calculate Number And the Application paper in Determination Issue» is not very also long. With «Discussed Ten thousand Laws To calculate that conceals > In Volume Arithmetic Formally May not Statement of And System-related Determination», its proof process was in fact simple. 《论可计算数及其在判定问题上的应用》论文同样不是很长。和《试论万法算藏>卷一算术篇中形式上不可判定之陈述及相关系统》一样,它的证明过程实际上非常简单。 Simple, but was full of the wisdom. 简单,但是充满了智慧。 All free and unfettered unconscious immersions in this piece of paper, this paper send out are being full of the seductive intelligent brilliance. Even if clear(ly) knows that the river of this logic will flow to the abyss, these calculate that the family/home does not have the means to bear does not listen. 所有逍遥都不知不觉的沉浸在这一片论文之中,这论文本身就散发着充满诱惑性的智慧光彩。即使明知道这条逻辑之河会流向万丈深渊,那些算家也没办法忍住不听。 Quick, a member stands, deluded, cheered loudly: Good!” 很快,一个修士站起来,如痴如醉,大声喝采:“好啊!” Standing, thousand machine pavilion pavilion lords, Turing honorable person.( To be continued.) The mobile phone user please visit http://m.piaotian.net 站立者,千机阁阁主,图灵真人。(未完待续。)手机用户请访问http://m.piaotian.net
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