Heard that king Qi also has the new paper, in the field the look of free and unfettered member has the difference respectively. 听说王崎又有新论文,场中逍遥修士的神色各有不同。 The facial expression of part of free and unfettered member quite thinks otherwise. The Greek gate 23 asked, is arithmetic domain benchmark or 23 benchmarks. Solves one of them , indicating that has the qualifications to become enlightened the free and unfettered. 一部分逍遥修士的神情颇不以为然。希门二十三问,乃是算学领域的一道标杆或者说二十三道标杆。解决其中之一,就表示有资格成道逍遥。 But 23 asked during second asked that tenth asked was also most special. Because these two asked, related to the foundation of arithmetic. 而二十三问当中的第二问、第十问又最为特殊。因为这两问,关系到了算学的根基。 The Goodall incompleteness theorem, is to 23 asked proof that during second asked. 哥德尔不完备性定理,就是对二十三问当中第二问的证明。 This issue, the common member, making asked is also lucky. The discovery of incomplete this rank, for a lifetime how many times can a member meet? 这种问题,一般的修士,做出一问也是侥幸。不完备这种级别的发现,一个修士一辈子又能遇到几次？ But other member for example Feng Luoyi, the expression was quite panic-stricken. 而另外一些修士比如冯落衣,表情就相当惊恐了。 „Four sides” Dern sends among various people in the song courtyard, is the attitude is gentlest. He becomes enlightened is because solved 23 to ask during third asked. As a result of this reason, he to some king Qipo favorable impressions that solving second asked. Dern sees the atmosphere to be somewhat anxious, then wants to relax 12, makes noise to inquire king Qi: „Your paper, about what?” “四面”马德恩在歌庭派诸人当中,算是态度最平和的。他成道便是因为解决了二十三问当中的第三问。就是由于这个缘故,他对解决了第二问的王崎颇有些好感。马德恩见气氛有些紧张,便想缓和一二,出声询问王崎:“你的论文,是关于什么的？” „The Greek gate 23 asked, tenth asked.” “希门二十三问,第十问。” Dern has not responded all of a sudden: „What?” 马德恩一下子没有反应过来:“什么？” „The Greek gate 23 asked, tenth asked.” king Qi repeated: „I solved tenth asked. About determination issue.” “希门二十三问,第十问。”王崎复述了一遍:“我解决了第十问。关于判定性问题的。” „What...... tenth asked that also solved?” Dern is somewhat out of sorts at once. “什么……第十问,也解出来了？”马德恩一时之间有些失神。 The theoretical level far ultra supernatural power boundary, he also saw is many. But can be in this situation, he also is really first seeing. 理论水平远超法力境界的,他见得也不少了。可是能够到这个地步的,他还真是第一次见。 He just after 23 asked proposed, spent for 1-2 years solved third asked. Even this, he is still called one generation of Heaven's Chosen sufficiently. 他只不过是在二十三问提出之后,花了1-2的时间解出了第三问。就算是这样,他也足以被称为一代天骄。 Means that king Qi uses to be opportunistic before several years, obtains answer that second asked that the incomplete theorem completely denied conventional routes this to be equivalent to king Qi completely to be solved second asked. Depending on this. king Qi starts no longer to study the arithmetic now, years later will have the qualifications to aspire to seize the boundary of Xiaoyao You with the arithmetic. 王崎在数年之前就用取巧的办法,取得了第二问的答案,不完备定理则彻底否定了传统方法这相当于王崎已经彻底解决了第二问。光凭这个。王崎现在开始不再研究算学,若干年后都有资格用算学问鼎逍遥游的境界。 23 asked, every asked is road of the free and unfettered. 二十三问,每一问都是一条逍遥之路。 But king Qi. Solved one after another second asked, tenth asked. What level is he? 而王崎。接连解出了第二问,第十问。他又是什么水平？ During the Greek gate 23 asked that most importantly, was this second asked that with tenth asked. In the eye to member sect, these two asked that related to the foundation of arithmetic, is the foundations of all sort of arithmetic! 希门二十三问当中,最重要的,也就是这个第二问和第十问。在离宗修士眼中,这两问涉及算学的根基,是诸般算学之根基！ Who can be solved these two asked, who has the qualifications to be called all sort of calculates the sect of say/way! 谁能够解决了这两问,谁就有资格称为诸般算道之宗！ During many free and unfettered, the ten actually nine first responses do not believe. But, Feng Luoyi was actually the letter/believes. 诸多逍遥之中,十个倒是有九个的第一反应是不信。可是,冯落衣却是信了。 king Qi has not profaned in this aspect only. 王崎唯独没有在这方面轻慢过。 But after experiencing initial shock. What these song courtyard factions is the family/home, somewhat was actually at a loss. 而在经历了最初的震惊之后。那些歌庭派的算家,却又有些迷惘了。 This youngster, what important thing can also deny? 难道,这个少年,又要否定什么重要的东西吗？ Why, the teacher 23 asked during most important two asked that a youngster who was destroyed the teacher lifetime to ask will complete the proof by such? 为什么,老师二十三问之中最重要的两问,会由这样一个破坏了老师毕生所求的少年完成证明？ Calculates that in the middle of Monarch Pang Jia look, the thought otherwise look was lighter. He to calculating Lord quite disdains, but in the middle of 23 several asked, keeps in line with his wish actually very much. 算君庞家莱的眼神当中,不以为然的神色淡了许多。他对算主颇为不屑,但是二十三当中的某几问,倒是很符合他的心意的。 Naturally, second asked that with tenth asked does not belong about his intention. However. He at least knows difficulty that these two asked. 当然,第二问和第十问都不属于合他心意的。但是。他至少知道这两问的难度。 After short absent-minded, Feng Luoyi looked at king Qi one eyes, unemotional asking: „Subversive?” 短暂的失神之后,冯落衣看了王崎一眼,面无表情的问道:“颠覆性强吗？” king Qi expressed reluctantly: Words that „I think. Can accept the incomplete theorem, accepts one again similarly, should not be difficult?” 王崎表示无奈:“我想的话。能够接受不完备定理,再接受一个相似的,应该也不难吧？” Right now, was only Turing honorable person of onlooking, the expression on face also somewhat was stiff. 这下子,就连本来只是旁观的图灵真人,脸上的表情也有些僵硬了。 Similar...... his previous paper denied the completeness, these does need to deny determination time? 相似……他上一篇论文否定了完备性,这一次就要否定判定性？ Perhaps was a proposition, known it „to be determined” by the means? 一个命题,或许被办法知晓它“能不能被判定”？ Then our these calculate value that the family/home has where? 那么我们这些算家存在的价值何在？ The free and unfettered member who in a flash, several song courtyards send even gave birth drew back intent. 一瞬间,有几位歌庭派的逍遥修士甚至生出了退意。 Only is thinks „cannot determine” the significance, drags on the mind. Almost overstated. If listens to king Qi the paper, that does want the body dying say/way to disappear? 光是想一想“不可判定”的意义,就心神摇曳。几乎走火入魔。若是听完王崎的论文,那岂不是要身死道消？ Feng Luoyi coughed lightly two: „king Qi. You first...... as far as possible gentle way narrated as far as possible with one. Best with the way of borrowing explaining, making everyone has a psychology to prepare. Also please pay attention. If judged oneself are unacceptable at once, that leaves the environment immediately, then goes to Yang Shenge.” 冯落衣轻咳了两声:“王崎。你先用一个尽量……尽量平和的方式叙述一下。最好是用借喻的方式,让大家有个心理准备诸位。也请你们注意了。如果判断自己一时之间不能接受,那就立即脱出环境,然后去阳神阁。” After Feng Luoyi said that several free and unfettered member lower the head the consideration moment, finally clenches teeth, decides to remain to listen at least also to listen to king Qi the introduction. 冯落衣说完之后,几位逍遥修士低头思量片刻,最后咬咬牙,决定还是留下来听完至少也得听完王崎的介绍。 If even introduced that does not have the courage to listen, then they do not need to continue to study the arithmetic. 若是连介绍都没有勇气听完,那么他们也没必要继续研究算学了。 Periphery king Qi looks are sitting well many free and unfettered member, only feels somewhat illusory. 王崎看着周围端坐着的诸多逍遥修士,只觉得有些虚幻。 Said unrestrained/no trace of politeness, in history does not have the millenniums empires, not ten thousand years of nationality. However, named „science” the system, will follow human, until eternal. The King and his country are just a spray in history, but, how long human continues saves, how long the mechanics three laws can use. 毫不客气的说,史上没有千年的帝国、没有万年的民族。但是,名为“科学”的体系,将会伴随人类,直到永恒。王者和他的国家只不过是历史里的一朵浪花,但是,人类续存多久,力学三定律就能用多久。 Here everyone, is the permanent is affecting the extraordinary personality of person clan civilization. 这里的每一个人,都是永久性影响着人族文明的伟人。 But do oneself, actually want in the face of this crowd of manners, to teach them? 而自己,却要在这一群为人面前,教导他们？ This...... is very interesting! 这真的……很有意思啊！ On king Qi the face appears to have offensive smiling. He first lowers the head, ponder moment, then: „, Before saying my theory, I first spoke one...... is not the story the story to be good.” 王崎脸上浮现出带有攻击性的笑。他先低下头,沉思片刻,然后才到:“那么,在说我的理论之前,我先讲一个……算不上故事的故事好了。” „Supposition, our immortal pledge has mastered the compilation perfect day after tomorrow will ability I to feel, on this day sooner or later will arrive. At that time, more and more duties, will give these to load the day after tomorrow will puppet person. Arduous and redundant practical training, then some daily trivial matters. Thus, our person clans can set aside the hand, does more things.” “假设,我们仙盟已经掌握了编写完美后天意志的能力我觉得,这一日迟早会到来的。那时候,越来越多的任务,都会交给那些装载了后天意志的傀儡人。繁重、重复的劳作,然后还有一些日常琐事。这样子,我们人族就可以腾出手,去做更多的事情。” Surroundings these arithmetic everyone actually eat this very much. Can look, very much story they who they like king Qi think this story to be able particularly sincerely to become true time. 周围那些算学大家其实都是很吃这一手的。看得出来,他们很喜欢王崎的故事尤其是他们真心认为这个故事能够成真的时候。 king Qi then told his story: „Perhaps, we are Yang Shenge certain mental illness cultivation practice to be muddleheaded, the will compile the day after tomorrow looks like the person. This causes certain puppet people who loaded the day after tomorrow will rebelled. They request the right of person clan, requesting oneself to be able, when the adult clan treats.” 王崎接着讲述他的故事:“可是呢,我们或许是阳神阁的某些神经病修炼练昏了头,将后天意志编写得太像人了。这导致某些装载了后天意志的傀儡人反叛了。他们要求人族的权利呀,要求自己能够被当成人族对待。” „But this matter, can't we definitely comply are not? Therefore, the immortal pledge fights with mechanism/organization people of that crowd of out-of-control. Is we exceeds eventually, quick exterminated the rebellion. But at this time, we suddenly discovered, among that group of mechanism/organization people, has the individual to change to the human form, mixes in the person clan. They can depend on calculate that plans to melt the soul, the flesh has no difference in the molecular level and true person. Yang Shenge the bastard worked to do too well, their style of speaking looked like the person to be few several logic to have the flaw very much.” “可这事,咱们肯定不能答应不是？于是,仙盟就与那群失控的机关人大战一场。终究是咱们技高一筹,很快就剿灭了叛乱。可这个时候,咱们突然发现,那群机关人当中,已经有个体化作人形,混入人族之中。他们能够靠着算器拟化出魂魄,血肉在分子层级上和真正的人身没有任何区别。阳神阁的混蛋工作做得太好了,他们连谈吐都很像人只有极少数几个逻辑有破绽。” „Therefore, at this time, our ten thousand Famen sent out. We designed a question bank, inside contained 10,000 or more issues. Only needs to ask 100 asked that can through the special algorithm, judge a kind of person life, is actually the person clan or the mechanism/organization person.” “所以,这个时候,我们万法门出动了。我们设计了一道题库,里面包含了一万道或者更多的问题。只需要问出其中的一百问,就能够通过特殊的算法,判断出一个类人生灵,究竟是人族还是机关人。” „At that time, the infiltration of mechanism/organization person is too ruthless, the disguiser are too many, criminal law division unmanned available. Therefore, the immortal pledge has each one dusks to incur us to be the puppet to examine the officer, specifically is used to interrogate these to have the individual of suspicion! The attention, that algorithm ‚can judge that absolutely bodies are the person or mechanism/organization person’, is logically impregnable. Thereupon, innumerable examined the officer puppet to appear. They algorithm that uses our ten thousand methods to provide, really went smoothly everywhere, uncovered many mechanism/organization people.” “可是那个时候,机关人的渗透已经太狠了,伪装者太多,刑律司无人可用。于是,仙盟就出个个昏招咱们就做傀儡审官,专门用来审问那些有嫌疑的个体！注意,那个算法‘绝对可以判断出一个个体是人或是机关人’,逻辑上无懈可击。于是乎,无数个审官傀儡就出现了。它们用着咱们万法门提供的算法,果然无往不利,揪出了不少机关人。” „But at this time, had an accident/surprise. Examines the officer puppet, asked him to examine officer armor. This armor he also instead. Quick, his incarnation is the mechanism/organization person, hidden in the person clan. In a while, had to hold the person who the law causes to examine officer armor doubtful to bring to justice. At this time, criminal law Si to seek the puppet examined officer B.” “可这个时候,发生了一个意外。有一个审官傀儡,就叫他审官甲。这个甲他也反了。很快,他就化身为机关人,隐藏在人族当中。没过多久,就有执律使将疑似审官甲的人捉拿归案了。这个时候呢,刑律司找来了傀儡审官乙。” „Then the issue came, examines officer B, can actually judge examining officer armor that person, rebels against?” “那么问题来了,审官乙,究竟能不能判断出那个人,是不是反叛的审官甲？” After king Qi said that calculates that Monarch smiled rarely: „This story, a little meaning. The level that king Qi, you explained the Chinese classics was really actually good.” 王崎说完之后,算君难得笑了:“这故事,有点意思。王崎,你说书的水平倒是真不错。” In addition, no one opened the mouth again. 除此之外,再没有任何人开口了。 Including Feng Luoyi, what is the family/home, fell into the deep ponder. Some people even start the cold sweat streaming, more wants more to be uncomfortable. 包括冯落衣在内,所有的算家,都陷入了深深的思考。有人甚至开始冷汗涔涔,越想越不是滋味。 Examines officer B, can actually distinguish to examine officer armor? 审官乙,究竟能不能分辨出审官甲呢？ king Qi establishes had explained that „can judge absolutely bodies are the person or mechanism/organization person”, „logically impregnable”. 王崎设定已经说明“绝对可以判断出一个个体是人或是机关人”,“逻辑上无懈可击”。 But if, examined officer B to see through the intention that examined officer armor, wanted to revise the intenogatiue straregy to make armor unexpected, then in turn, armor can also guess in advance the issue of B prepared. Because in that set of logical setting is „impregnable” 可是,如果审官乙识破了审官甲的意图,想要修改提问策略让甲猝不及防,那么反过来,甲也可以预先猜测到乙的问题去做准备。因为那套逻辑设定上就是“无懈可击” The puppets examine the officer to depend upon that set of logic to screen any machine, therefore it is unable to screen also has another of that set of logic to examine the officer. 傀儡审官可以依靠那套逻辑甄别任何一台机器,所以它无法甄别同样拥有那套逻辑的另一个审官。 In other words, the puppet examines the officer, is unable to screen itself. 也就是说,傀儡审官,无法甄别自己。 Just like the Goodall incomplete theorem, the undecidability theorem also involves „refers to” the judgment. 和哥德尔不完备定理一样,不可判定性定理同样涉及“自指”的判断。 Actually „can all propositions determine” this proposition to determine? “所有命题都可以判定”这个命题究竟能不能判定？ king Qi story end question, means that was impossible to find one set of perfect mechanical principle, fits together perfectly step by step solved in this world all issues. 王崎故事末尾的疑问,就意味着不可能找到一套完美的机械法则,来一步一步严丝合缝地解决这世界上所有的问题。 All free and unfettered on the scene, are moved. 在场的所有逍遥,都怅然若失。 Calculates that copies the law of say/way. Therefore, there is calculates much the family/home wants to discover a supreme criterion, can interpretation time all things. 算乃摹道之法。所以,有不少算家都想要找出一个至高无上的准则,可以去解释时间一切事情。 They felt, that boundary, even if did not say, is still the distance main road one pace to high boundary. 他们觉得,那种境界,即使不是道,也是距离大道一步之遥的至高境界。 But, king Qi denies this pursue now unexpectedly. 可是,现在王崎居然否定了这个追求。 Such boundary, is theoretically impossible to exist, gives up! 这样的境界,在理论上是不可能存在的,放弃吧！ If clear fairy maiden nose acid, only thought that has anything to crash loudly. 若澈仙子鼻子一酸,只觉得心中有什么东西轰然崩塌。 She felt, that was the collapse of faith. 她感觉到了,那是信念的崩溃。 At this moment, king Qi opens the mouth again: „After listening to this story, senior compared should also know the content of my paper. In this regard, I felt actually, was very difficult to say this was the good fortune, was unfortunately.”( To be continued.) 就在这时,王崎再次开口:“听完这个故事之后,诸位前辈相比也应该知道了我论文的内容。关于这一点,我倒是觉得,很难说这是幸事,还是不幸。”(未完待续。) ps: Second, asked the monthly ticket. king Qi the story, the idea, certain about " Silver Wing Killer » daydream, and referred to some Teacher summer Jia «China Encyclopedia». The mobile phone user please visit http://m.piaotian.net ps:第二更,求月票。王崎的故事,点子是吗,某些关于《银翼杀手》的遐想,并参考了部分夏笳老师的《中国百科全书》。手机用户请访问http://m.piaotian.net