On capital city. 上京市。 in «the Road of studio tv Science», one program about controllable nuclear fusion is conducting. tv《科学之路》演播室中,一场关于可控核聚变的节目正在进行着。 „Welcome everyone to watch the road of current period science, I am host journey Nan.” “欢迎大家收看本期科学之路,我是主持人程楠。” „In the television work or the literary work about science fiction, we can always see the description about controllable nuclear fusion. But controllable nuclear fusion word, as if condensed all our fantasies to energy......” “在关于科幻的影视作品或者文学作品中,我们总能看到关于可控核聚变的描述。而可控核聚变这个单词,也仿佛凝聚了我们对能源的所有幻想……” „The subject of current period program, is the future energy controllable nuclear fusion that made us be charmed.” “本期节目的主题,便是那令我们神往的未来能源可控核聚变。” „For this reason, we invited the China international fusion energy plan execution center director specially, and chief engineer, Academician Zhou of Chengfu southwest physics research institute, explained the previous generation of controllable nuclear fusion this life...... everyone to welcome for us!” “为此,我们专门请来了华国国际核聚变能源计划执行中心主任、及总工程师,西南物理研究院的周承福院士,为我们讲解可控核聚变的前世今生……大家欢迎！” pa pa! 啪啪啪！ Under the host drives, the audience agitated the warm applause. 在主持人带动下,现场的观众们鼓动了热烈的掌声。 Before studio got on stage secretly, graying at the temples Zhou Chengfu nods to the audience with smile on the face, later under host's invitation, sat on the sofa. 从演播室的幕后走上了台前,两鬓斑白的周承福面带微笑地向观众们点了点头,随后在主持人的邀请下,坐在了沙发上。 For serveral days, he is going to the capital to meet, happen to bumped into the invitation of «Road of column group Science». Because recently was not very busy, he then came to transfer. 这些天来,他在上京开会,正好碰到了《科学之路》栏目组的邀请。由于最近也不是很忙,他便过来转了一圈。 Although the scientist and actor are different, does not need exposure rate/lead this type of thing, but will be engaged in the future the researchers of division/discipline regarding their these, will be interviewed appropriately necessary. 虽说科学家和演员不一样,不需要曝光率这种东西,但对于他们这些从事未来学科的研究人员,适当地接受采访也是有必要的。 After all paid so many funds, they must make the public know, actually oneself made anything, own research results can change anything. 毕竟花了这么多经费,他们总得让公众们知道,自己究竟做了些什么,自己的研究成果又能改变什么。 „The audience on the scene have possibly heard, several months ago, was situated in Jingling City Stellarator star installs successfully completed the ignition experiment. Is counted this Stellarator, including magnetic confinement the ht-7 and east and other Tokamak devices , the god of inertial confinement light/only, the counter- field pinch and recently newly proposing, our country scientific researchers have almost assumed full responsibility of all technological lines of controllable fusion research, is the forefront in the world.” “在场的观众们可能已经听说过了,就在几个月前,坐落在金陵市的仿星器star装置成功完成了点火实验。算上这台仿星器在内,包括磁约束的ht-7和east等托卡马克装置,还有惯性约束的神光,以及最近新提出的反场箍缩在内,我们国家科研人员几乎已经包揽了可控核聚变研究的所有技术路线,走在了世界的前列。” „Before star installs, our country is almost blank regarding the research of Stellarator. I want to ask Academician Zhou, installs regarding this home's first Stellarator, you have what view.” “在star装置之前,我们国家对于仿星器的研究几乎是一片空白。我想请问周院士,对于这国内第一台仿星器装置,您有什么看法。” Hears this issue, Zhou Chengfu smiles, said modestly: „Said that was the ignition was too exaggerating, after all the tritium was very expensive, in solution tritium accumulation and plasma radiation before the first wall material damage these two issues, we did the experiment with the hydrogen generally.” 听到这个问题,周承福笑了笑,谦虚地说道:“说是点火太夸张了,毕竟氚很贵,在解决氚滞留和等离子体辐照对第一壁材料损伤这两个问题之前,我们一般都是用氢气做实验。” Host: „Do you know about the star installment?” 主持人:“您对star装置了解吗？” Zhou Chengfu smiles lightly: „Understanding are not many, but also is the understanding.” 周承福淡淡笑了笑:“了解的不多,但也还算是了解吧。” Host: „That can invite you and we says, which characteristics does this star installment have?” 主持人:“那可以请您和我们讲讲,这个star装置都有哪些特点吗？” Hears this issue, Zhou Chengfu the corners of the mouth twisted the mouth sidewise a curve, says. 听到这个问题,周承福嘴角咧开了一丝弧度,开口说道。 „Must say such that the words of characteristics, such as you said that it probably is home first Stellarator in the true sense.” “要说特点的话,就如你说的那样,它大概是国内真正意义上的第一台仿星器。” „Perhaps as for its prototype, you have not heard, but I can tell you, is actually the wega installment of Germany. This equipment retires since 2013 probably, afterward has then deposited in Frankfurt. Afterward Professor land went to Germany to visit study the time, happen to settled on probably, therefore lobbied in both countries, spending 500 million euros research funds to buy from German there it.” “至于它的原型,你们也许没听说过,但我可以告诉你们,其实就是德国的wega装置。这台装置大概是从2013年开始退役的,后来便一直存放在德国法兰克福。再后来陆教授去德国访学的时候,大概是正好看中了,于是就在两国游说了一番,花了5亿欧元的研究经费把它从德国人那里买了过来。” Managed on the face to show the surprised expression: „500 million euros? Changed into rmb that about 4 billion...... the research of controllable nuclear fusion to burn money?” 主持人脸上露出了吃惊的表情:“5亿欧元？换成rmb那得将近40亿了……可控核聚变的研究这么烧钱的吗？” The audience also look the surprise in abundance the expression. 观众们也是纷纷面露诧异的表情。 4 billion! 40亿！ Limited their imagination poorly. 贫穷限制了他们的想象。 Zhou Chengfu smiles, has no feeling to the number that oneself said actually. 周承福笑了笑,对自己说的这个数字倒是没什么感觉。 „That must look that you and anything compared, definitely was much expensive compared with the research math, but compared with the space station and hadron collider, is slightly cheaply.” “那得看你和什么比了,比起研究数学肯定是贵了不少,但比起空间站和强子对撞机,还是稍微便宜一点的。” Naturally, actually this point is many, did not say. 当然,这个一点究竟是多少,就不太好说了。 Host: „After you feel the revival , can the star installment, duplicate the spiral stone 7-x creation 30 minutes of miracle?” 主持人:“那您觉得涅磐重生之后star装置,能够复制螺旋石7-x创造的30分钟的奇迹吗？” It seems like not too satisfactory revival word, Zhou Chengfu knits the brows subconsciously, but soon realized that this is in the program, therefore the flash brow then stretched. 似乎是不太满意涅盘重生这个词,周承福下意识皱了皱眉,不过很快意识到这是在节目中,于是一瞬间眉头便舒展了。 „30 minutes?” Shakes the head with a smile, Zhou Chengfu clouds that the poor business conditions said lightly, „can continuous running two minutes, very not be easy.” “30分钟？”笑着摇了摇头,周承福云淡风轻地说道,“能连续运行个两分钟,都很不容易了。” The host surprised looks at Zhou Chengfu , to continue to ask: „Don't you favor this star to install?” 主持人一脸惊讶的看着周承福,继续问道:“您不看好这台star装置吗？” Hears this issue, Zhou Chengfu spoke with confidence: „It is not the issue that I do favor, spiral stone 7-x can complete 30 minutes of long-term plasma confinements, mainly benefits from its special outfield coil design, as well as most essential water cooling divertor.” 听到这个问题,周承福侃侃而谈道:“不是我看不看好的问题,螺旋石7-x之所以能完成三十分钟的长时间等离子体约束,主要是得益于其特殊的外场线圈设计,以及最关键的水冷偏滤器。” „This water cooling divertor, although in the wega installment also has, but that was more than 20 years ago things, compared with the present in that difference that on the spiral stone serves was too far. If the star Stellarator plan duplicates the success of spiral stone 7-x, he at least must make the innovation on the cooling system, but he has not achieved very much obviously.” “这个水冷偏滤器,虽然wega装置上也有,但那都是二十多年前的东西了,比起现在正在螺旋石上服役的那个还是差的太远。如果star仿星器打算复制螺旋石7-x的成功,他至少得在冷却装置上做出革新,但很显然他并没有做到。” This he talked nonsense actually not, the spiral stone in 30 minutes restrained the success that on obtained for a long time, mainly then benefitted from the merit of water cooling divertor, at least the foreign German declared. 这倒不是他瞎说,螺旋石在三十分钟长时间约束上取得的成功,主要便是得益于水冷偏滤器的功劳,至少对外德国人是这么宣称的。 But that latest designed water cooling divertor, naturally cannot appear in the wega installment. 而那个最新设计的水冷偏滤器,自然不会出现在wega装置上。 Let alone does not look at these factors even if, said only after that science review article comes out, nearly two months, a star Stellarator research institute sound does not have until now. 更何况哪怕不看这些因素,单说那篇科学评论文章出来之后都已经快两个月了,到现在为止star仿星器研究所还一点动静都没有。 Now Zhou Chengfu basically can be assured, is not Lu Zhou does not want to refute him with the fact, but is the star installment cannot achieve. 现在周承福基本上可以笃定,不是陆舟不想用事实反驳他,而是star装置根本做不到。 Also therefore, said these words time, he had no pressure. 也正是因此,说这句话的时候,他就没什么压力了。 „...... Currently speaking, the mainstream or Tokomak of international Controlled Nuclear Fusion research, again are the inertial confinements of laser ignition, counter- field pinch that as well as you had mentioned a moment ago.” “……目前来讲,国际可控聚变研究的主流还是托卡马克,再然后就是激光点火的惯性约束,以及你刚才已经提到的反场箍缩。” „Theoretically each technological line can walk passes, so long as solved in various issues that in this route we face, issue that as well as will soon face, finally to lead to the end point finally is the fusion energy that we pursue. It seems like Picka with the sedan car, is four wheels, so long as crossed the toll station, same can on high-speed.” “理论上每一条技术路线都是能够走得通的,只要解决了在这条路线上我们所面临的各种问题,以及即将面临的问题,最终通向的终点最终都是我们所追求的聚变能源。就好像皮卡和小轿车,都是四个轮子的,只要过了收费站,一样能上高速。” By this vivid analogy amusing, the audience showed the understanding smiling face. 被这句形象的比喻给逗乐了,现场的观众露出了会心的笑容。 Stopped the moment, Zhou Chengfu continues to say. 停顿了片刻,周承福继续说道。 „Difficulty of Stellarator in project is too big, in comparison Tokomak's design is more succinct, the difficulty in the project realizing relatively is also low.” “仿星器在工程上的难度太大,相比之下托卡马克的设计更简洁,工程上实现的难度也相对较低。” „We do not need each technological line to attempt, tries each possibility with it, might as well the limited resources be centralized , in several directions that is most likely to realize.” “我们没有必要每一条技术路线都去尝试,与其尝试每一种可能性,不如将有限的资源集中在最有可能实现的几个方向上。” „Compared with the no methodicalness attempt carelessly, this is the practical choice!” “比起毫无章法的胡乱尝试,这才是务实的选择！” ...... …… After the interview ended, is recalling the applause in previous studio, Zhou Chengfu who leaves the studio is eased, only felt happiness that could not say. 采访结束之后,回忆着先前演播室里的掌声,离开演播室的周承福一身轻松,只觉得心情说不出的愉快。 Although spoke not to have the too major substantive role at this popular science program, but thinks that bird not bird his young people, his at heart was venting. 虽然在这种科普节目上讲话没太大实质性的作用,但想到那个鸟都不鸟他的年轻人,他的心里便是一阵解气。 At this moment, in he captured the telephone to make a sound suddenly. 就在这时,他兜里的电话忽然响了起来。 Fishes out cell phone to look, seeing is only Jia Liangcai hits, therefore he then pressed down the button of connection conveniently, pasted cell phone near the ear. 摸出手机一看,只见是贾良才打来的,于是他便顺手按下了接通的按钮,将手机贴在了耳边。 „Hey?” “喂？” „Week, Director Zhou!” “周,周主任！” „What matter?” Hears that flustered sound, Zhou Chengfu knits the brows. “什么事？”听到那慌慌张张的声音,周承福皱了皱眉。 „Is the star research institute!” “是star研究所！” Zhou Chengfu did not say patiently: „You gave me a few words to say the words, star research institute how.” 周承福不耐烦地说道:“你给我一句话把话说完,star研究所到底怎么了。” „yesterday, they restarted the experiment!” “就在昨天,他们重启了实验！” Hears these words, in Zhou Chengcheng Pok heart one tight, quickly asked. 听到这句话,周成承福心中一紧,急忙问道。 „Did they restart the experiment? Hadn't Said with me, his experimental result how? Achieved for 30 minutes?” “他们重启了实验？我怎么一点消息都没有听说？和我说说,他的实验结果怎么样？做到三十分钟了吗？” Is listening to this machine-gun general issue, on Jia Liangcai face showed the bitter and astringent smiling face. 听着这连珠炮一般的问题,贾良才脸上露出了苦涩的笑容。 „For those not 30 minutes......” “到不是三十分钟……” Hearing was not 30 minutes, Zhou Cheng Fusong the tone. 听到不是三十分钟,周承福松了口气。 However his tone did not have the loosen to half, is doomed is the loosen does not come out. 然而他这口气还没松到一半,也注定是松不出来了。 Jia Liangcai of telephone that head, has the tone that cannot believe with the bitterness and astringency, continues to say. 电话那头的贾良才,用苦涩中带着不敢相信的语气,继续开口说道。 „...... I the report that sees in Jinling Daily, the magnetic confinement time, achieved one hour probably......” “……我在金陵日报上看到的报道,他们好像把磁约束时间,做到了一个小时……”