M1979 :: Volume #3

#709: Domestic manufacture

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His sips tea, continued saying that „with Poussin, its price is different in land, some places are 180,000, some places are 190,000, some in 200,000 also has, in brief in this sector. Knows how much money exits the overseas? 8500 US dollars! That Audi, home probably also in 270,000 to 280,000 almost, exit|to speak price also 15,000 US dollars.” 他抿了一口茶,继续道,“拿普桑来说,它的价格在全国各地都不一样,有的地方是180000,有的地方是190000,有的在200000的也有,总之就在这个区间。知道出口到国外才多少钱吗？8500美元！还有那个奥迪,国内大概也在270000到280000差不多,出口价也就15000美元。” „Technological gap is putting on that the similar market is very externally difficult to compete, can only by the low price win.” Reason Li He had not said that that to bring in foreign exchange income. “技术差距在那放着,在国外同类市场很难竞争,只能以低价取胜。”还有一个原因李和没说,那就是为了创汇。 In addition the joint capital car(riage) has such big disparity with the overseas, idle talk so-called domestic car. 合资车尚且与国外有这么大差距,更遑论所谓的国产车了。 If considers the matter and of itself, pure and compared with the technology and quality of foreign car(riage), the domestic car really also has very big disparity. However, regarding the thing must have the vision of history, stands in the altitude of development. 如果就事论事,单纯和外国车的技术质量相比,国产车确实都还有很大的差距。但是,看待事物要有历史的眼光,站在发展的高度。 Reviews the domestic car is not the long history, will discover that is not really easy, particularly 80 and in the 90's, this essential 20 years. 回顾国产车不算长的发展史,会发现真的不容易,尤其是80和90年代,这关键的20年。 China after one sends the industrial country, accumulation technically is insufficient, many professions are at the backwardness, the technology aquisition is many professions must do. 中国作为一个后发工业国家,在技术上的积累不足,多个行业都处于落后状态,技术引进是很多行业必须要做的。 But technical thing besides the past Soviet Union, various countries was when the core secret was protecting, did not give you easily. 但技术这个东西除了当年的苏联以外,各国都是当核心机密在保护着,轻易不给你。 Therefore, the market changes the technology to be proposed, so-called „changes technology by the market” refers to Chinese opening market, allowing the foreign auto company to manage in China, at the same time the international motor company needs to shift certain technology to China, assists the Chinese automobile company independent development. 于是,市场换技术就被提出,所谓“以市场换技术”就是指中国开放市场,允许外国汽车公司在中国经营,与此同时国际汽车公司需要向中方转移一定的技术,协助中国汽车公司独立发展。 At the beginning of the reform and opening, allowing foreign capital to enter the Chinese market, this is the courage that needs to face universal condemnation. Gives your money Zhuan, gives me the technology, the fair deal, treats both the young and old honestly. 在改革开放之初,允许外资进入中国市场,这是需要冒天下之大不韪的勇气的。给你钱赚,给我技术,公平交易,童叟无欺。 Encourages to pool capital, in fact is the support is bogged down in difficulties the large state automobile enterprise, SAICG and other joint ventures were rapid, the market foreign capital affirmed, money has also gained, had to obtain as for the technology? 鼓励合资,实际上是扶持一些陷入困境的国有大型汽车企业,上汽等合资企业迅速起来了,市场外资肯定得了,钱也赚了,至于技术有没有得到？ Must say does not have, against one's conscience talks nonsense, in fact, truly is because pools capital, after dozens years of joint venture and cooperative enterprises, in the production, sale, the post-sale service and other links, the joint capital car(riage) business had the quite mature experience, only defective is the independent producer research and development ability. 要说没有,也是昧着良心说瞎话,事实上,确实是由于合资,经过几十年的合资合作,在生产、销售、售后服务等各个环节,合资车企都有了相当成熟的经验,唯一欠缺的就是独立的产品研发能力。 The product development capability of China auto industry also has the new enhancement, especially the auto forward design development system basically is established, symbolizes that the Chinese car product development got rid of the imitation stage, enters to the product development phase of real sense. 中国汽车工业的产品开发能力也得到新的提高,特别是整车正向设计开发体系基本建立,标志着中国整车产品开发已经摆脱模仿阶段,进入到真正意义的产品开发阶段。 Established has conformed to enterprise own characteristics the complete development flow, entered the world trade later China to have design and product technology integration ability voluntarily, can depend upon own ability to develop the new passenger vehicle platform. 建立了符合企业自身特点的完整开发流程,入世贸以后中国已具备自行设计、产品技术集成能力,能够依靠自己的能力开发出新的轿车平台。 Chinese Main Car Enterprise had quite completely from engine test and key component performance test ability of integrated performance experiment, 中国主要整车企业均已拥有比较完整的从发动机试验、关键零部件性能测试到整车性能试验的能力, Some enterprises also invested to construct had the electromagnetic compatibility test chamber and NVH of test chamber international standard. 一些企业还投资建设了具有国际水平的电磁兼容试验室和NVH试验室。 Pooled capital to harm the autonomous brand of China regarding anything , was a little persecuted the paranoea, when large quantities of transnational automobile enterprises entered at the beginning of the Chinese market, China of joint capital already did not have the product not to have the brand, can only introduce the foreign the technology, product and brand. 至于说什么合资损害了中国的自主品牌,也是有点被迫害妄想症,当大批跨国汽车企业进入中国市场之初,合资的中方既没有产品也没有品牌,只能引进外方的技术、产品和品牌。 However by the core technologies, others does not give, does not have complained, after all will teach the apprentice, the matter few fools of starving to death master to do. 但是论核心技术,人家不给,也没得抱怨,毕竟教会徒弟,饿死师傅的事情没几个傻子会干。 Can trade has traded, remaining wants to trade from the start cannot trade, can only depend on itself. Enhances from the simple processing production to the independent research and development stage, is an inevitable development trend, the hammering also needs own hardly, backer mountain inverted/fall, walks by everybody. 能换的已经换来了,剩下想换的压根儿换不来,只能靠自己。从简单加工生产提高到自主研发阶段,是一种必然的发展趋势,打铁还需自身硬,靠山山倒,靠人人走。 Li He said, „how many years the automobile industry of South Korean and date benzole has developed? Also less than 30 years, but others have been able to compete in the international market, like the modern, Toyota and Nissan internationally some areas can also using in common the giant the non- strength to hit back that hits. Others have any merit we to study, naturally cannot improperly belittle oneself.” 李和道,“韩国和日苯的汽车工业才发展了多少年？也就30年不到,但是人家已经能在国际市场上竞争,像现代、丰田、日产在国际上一部分地区还能把通用这样的巨头打的无还手之力。人家有什么优点我们就要学习,当然也不能妄自菲薄。” Chen ancestor/grandfather flood says with a smile, „is different, for example South Korea, they start compared with us also late, but erupts is quicker than us, others have the accumulation in the 60's, does not have the economy and technological embargo of Europe and America, prohibits the foreign car(riage) from entering our market, in the 70's had the explosion stroke. We now reform and opening, but can also do to close off the country from foreign contact that set? We are the great nation, the great nation cannot such do, how unable to stop up the foreign automobile in any case, might as well pooled capital, changed the technology with the market, might as well said that changed the time with the market, waited not to get up.” 陈祖滔笑着道,“不一样,比如韩国,他们起步比咱们还晚一点,可是爆发的比咱们快,人家六十年代就有积累,又没有欧美的经济和技术封锁,又禁止外国车进入本国市场,七十年代就有了爆发期。咱们现在都改革开放了,还能搞锁国那一套吗？咱们是大国,大国不能这么做,反正怎么都是堵不住外国汽车了,还不如合资呢,与其说是拿市场换技术,还不如说是拿市场换时间呢,等不起了哦。” Li He smiles, „in the South Korean unique place the position, the itself market is in addition small, foreign car(riage) business not accountant, but our such big market, if not promote opening, WTO cannot go.” 李和笑笑,“韩国独特的地里位置,加上本身市场小,外国车企不会计较,但是咱们这么大市场,要是不搞开放,世贸组织都进不去。” Chen ancestor/grandfather flood says with a smile, „ we let us not be anxious, in the automobile production the third party technology are quite many, there is a series of upstream and downstream necessary manufacturers and we travels together or advances to be better than us. Engine these cores did not say, said most foundation. 陈祖滔笑着道,“咱们也别急,汽车生产中还是第三方技术比较多,有一系列的上下游配套厂商与咱们同行或者比咱们先行一步才行。发动机这些核心的都不说,就说最基础的。 The domestic many spare part and foundation of material handling business is weak, first is the material processing industry falls behind the automotive industry, like the automobile body panel thin steel plate that we use, is the bake-hardening steel plate of import. Which imports? day benzole. That engine connecting rod production line, our home has, but can only be applicable to the connecting rod machining of non- quenched and tempered steel material quality, therefore the connecting rod semifinished materials import from the day benzole until now ” 国内的许多零部件和材料供应商的基础薄弱,第一就是材料加工工业落后于汽车制造业,像咱们用的车身覆盖件薄板,全是进口的烘烤硬化钢板。哪进口的？日苯。还有那个发动机连杆生产线,咱们国内是有,但是只能适用于非调质钢材质的连杆加工,所以至今连杆毛坯还是从日苯进口” „Other special steel products import basically, the degree of self-sufficiency less than 2 points, the cost of necessary supplier is high, our costs are also high, do not have the matter of method. Second, said that this mold, from developing the angle of transformable vehicle considered, the mold development is also essential one step, our automobile body panel mold majority of was also the date benzole imports” “其它特殊钢材基本都是进口,自给率不足2个点,配套供应商的成本高,咱们的成本也跟着高,没法子的事情。第二,说下这个模具,从开发变型车的角度来考虑,模具开发也是关键的一步,咱们这个车身覆盖件模具大部分也是日苯进口的” „Third, overseas automotive electronics, was doing the fourth generation, including electronics technology, automatic optimization control technology, sensing technology, automatic integrated coupling overlapping technology” “第三,国外汽车电子,都在搞第四代了,包括电子技术,自动优化控制技术,传感器技术,自动一体化耦合交叉技术” „What we make is miniature truck, must be lower than Santana from the cost, the golf, Jetta, even Xiali, sends this vehicle type greatly, then how cost control? The use domestic-made fitting as far as possible, the localization rate must over 80%.” After Chen ancestor/grandfather flood said incessantly, smiling looks at Li He. “咱们造的是微型卡车,从成本上来说肯定要低于桑塔纳,高尔夫,捷达,甚至夏利、大发这种车型,那么如何控制成本呢？尽量的使用国产配件,国产化率要在80%以上。”陈祖滔滔滔不绝的说完以后,笑盈盈的看着李和。 „Master Chen, I understood your meaning.” The Li He forced smile, Chen ancestor/grandfather flood is telling him in disguised form, is not they cannot make the car(riage), but produces the car(riage) to take does not count the cost for the price, but the cost was high, the selling price was high on the nature, even if a quality of microcalorie is good, if the price is more expensive than the passenger vehicle of joint capital, is very difficult the market, let alone their this newly-opened car(riage) business! “陈师傅,我明白你的意思了。”李和苦笑,陈祖滔是在变相的告诉他,不是他们造不出好车,而是造好车是以不计成本为代价的,但是成本高了,售价就自然高了,一辆微卡的质量哪怕再好,如果价格比合资的轿车还贵,很难有市场,何况还是他们这种新开的车企！ Lost the market, the BMW did not have the existence necessity. 失去了市场,宝马汽车也就没有了存在的必要。 The fish and bear's paws cannot have both! 鱼和熊掌不可兼得！ Therefore the Li He beforehand complaint belongs unnecessarily! 所以李和之前的埋怨都属于多余！ He continues saying that „I put forward a proposal, to make the automobile company produce each link co-adaptation, should increase the effort support necessary supplier.” 他继续道,“我提出一项建议吧,为了使汽车公司生产各个环节相互适应,应该加大力度扶持配套供应商。”
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