MHAG :: Volume #7

#649: Receives Plato

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Plato stares, at once shows the smile: „Lysias, sees you very much happily again! You gained weight, I have not recognized.” 柏拉图一愣,旋即露出笑容:“吕西亚斯,很高兴再见到你！你长胖了,我差点没认出来。” Truly, this time Lysias life is superior, succeeds in one's pursuit, no longer wrote the defense, to make money early in the past the poor appearance of life in Athens. Under he pats is covered the obviously prominent stomach intestinal fat by magnificent Burton, is seemingly helpless, actually appears sighing of intent secretly: „Older, the meat is longer are more, how to reduce cannot subtract, really does not have the means.” 确实,此时的吕西亚斯生活优越,事业有成,早不复当年在雅典替人写辩护词、挣钱生活的寒酸模样。他拍着被华丽的波顿遮盖下明显突出的肚腩,看似无奈,却暗显得意的叹了口气:“年纪越来越大,肉却越长越多,怎么减也减不掉,实在是没有办法。” Plato replied with a smile: „Because, as gets older is your story and experience!” 柏拉图笑着答道:“因为随着年纪增长的是你的阅历和见识啊！” By Plato this handful, Lysias was laughed, is pointing around person, warm saying: „Gives you to introduce, this is the Theonia senior statesman and this «Entire Greece Scholar Congress» main Organizer Ansitanos.” 被柏拉图这一捧,吕西亚斯哈哈一笑,指着旁边的人,热情的说道:“给你介绍一下,这位是戴奥尼亚元老、这次《全希腊学者大会》的主要组织者-安希塔洛斯。” „Writes «Magna Graecia History» Ansitanos?!” Plato face pleasantly surprised asking. “难道是写出《大希腊史》的安西塔诺斯？！”柏拉图一脸惊喜的问道。 „«Magna Graecia History» is I writes, but can also read reluctantly.” Ansitanos modest saying: „Not shocked the scholar in entire Greece like «Republic of Plato» that Plato you wrote, our King Davos were also full of praise to your book, said that it was political strange Shu, and praised you are great Plato!” “《大希腊史》是我所写,不过也就勉强能读。”安西塔诺斯谦虚的说道:“不像柏拉图你所写的《理想国》震惊了全希腊的学者,就连我们的戴弗斯国王也对你的书赞不绝口,说它是一部政治奇书,并夸赞你是伟大的柏拉图！” The commendation of Ansitanos made Plato somewhat embarrassed, his honest saying: „This book is I travels for 12 years in Mediterranean, and thinks deeply about the knowledge that must come to write using the observation, many flaws and diseases, continuously are conducting the improvement......” 安西塔诺斯的称赞让柏拉图有些不好意思了,他坦诚的说道:“这本书是我在地中海游历12年,运用观察和思索得来的知识写出来的,还有不少的缺陷和弊病,正在不断的进行完善……” In fact, this book writes, drew many disputes and criticism in Athens, because Plato in the disease to democratic system has the critique in the book. 事实上,这本书写出来,在雅典就引起了很多的争议和批评,因为柏拉图在书中对民主制度中的弊病多有批判。 Plato also then praised: „«Magna Graecia History» that Sir Ansitanos you writes actually, the writing is level, the textual criticism is rigorous, takes the time as the ordinate, takes Magna Graecia city-state same time various as the horizontal line, the Magna Graecia several hundred years of history clear transparent descriptions, I thought that is as good as Thucydides «Peloponnesian War History», allowed our Greece people very good to understand Greek colony in a south Italy several hundred years of difficult history, I had collected three in the reading room in my academy properly......” 柏拉图又转而夸赞道:“倒是安西塔诺斯大人你所写的《大希腊史》,文字平实,考据严谨,以时间为纵线,以大希腊各城邦同时间发生的事件为横线,将大希腊几百年的历史清晰明了的描述出来,我觉得丝毫不亚于修昔底德的《伯罗奔尼撒战争史》,也让我们希腊本土的民众很好的了解了希腊殖民地在南部意大利几百年艰辛的历史,我已经在我学园的书屋里妥善收藏了三本……” „Your two first do not praise mutually, we must hurry to leave here. Ansitanos do not forget, King Davos also waits to receive Plato!” Lysias urged. “你们两位就先不要互相夸赞了,咱们得赶紧离开这里。安西塔诺斯你别忘了,戴弗斯国王还等着接见柏拉图！”吕西亚斯催促道。 „Do your kings want to see me?” Plato is surprised. “你们的国王要见我？”柏拉图感到惊讶。 „I did not say a moment ago, King Davos esteems about you, reason that must see you now , because the congress has not started, will not be noticeable.” Ansitanos answered. “我刚才不是说了吗,戴弗斯国王对你非常推崇,之所以现在要见你,是因为大会还没开始,不会太引人注目。”安西塔诺斯解释道。 Plato thinks, understood, immediately said with a smile: „Good, I just want to see create the mysterious king of Theonia miracle!” 柏拉图一想,就明白了,随即笑道:“太好了,我正想见一见创造了戴奥尼亚奇迹的神奇国王！” Compare compared with coming that two scholars, recognized the Plato observer more, because actually not this time his of the fame was bigger, because he completed to the Mediterranean travelling of major country and city-state did not have over the past several years, Hippocrates and Democritus have marched into the old age, rarely went out travelling far. 相比较之前来的那两位学者,认出柏拉图的旁观者就更多了,倒不是因为此时他的名气更大,而是因为他完成对地中海主要国家和城邦的游历还没过去几年,希波克拉底和德谟克利特已经步入晚年,很少出门远游。 For example Agrigento merchant superior Lopez once when Plato travelled for pleasure Sicily, respectively has seen him when Syracuse and Leontium doing business. At this moment, he looks at the back that Plato is going far away to think: Greek renowned Doctors Hippocrates, all knows Scholar Democritus student, Athens Well-known scholar Plato. Most of the day the time, Theonia invited the three well-known scholars in Greek world, the entire Greek scholar congress that Theonia holds is the scholar converges certainly, perhaps quite appealing. Is Thurii this wants to substitute Athens, to become the academic center of Greek world?! 比如阿格里真托商人优罗佩斯就曾经在柏拉图游历西西里的时候,分别在锡拉库扎和列奥提尼经商时见过他。此刻,他望着柏拉图远去的背影浮想联翩:希腊著名的医生-希波克拉底,全知学者-德谟克利特的学生,雅典著名学者-柏拉图。仅仅大半天时间,戴奥尼亚就邀请了希腊世界的三位知名大学者,戴奥尼亚所召开的这个全希腊学者大会一定是学者云集,恐怕会相当的吸引人。图里伊这是想要替代雅典、成为希腊世界的学术中心吗？！ .......................................... …………………………………… Regarding this in the previous generation by the westerner calls it „the father of philosophy” the great philosopher and thinker, the westerner talked about the politics and philosophy research, even has „Plato is the philosophy, the philosophy was Plato” consensus, therefore Davos has longed for seeing. 对于这位在前世被西方人称之为“哲学之父”的伟大哲学家和思想家,西方人一谈到政治和哲学研究,甚至已经有了“柏拉图就是哲学,哲学就是柏拉图”的共识,因此戴弗斯早就渴望一见。 But Plato also hopes to see this can let a small city-state rapid rise for the young king of west Mediterranean most powerful Greece influence, can consult face to face „causes the country is rapid” the political mystery, believes that to improving his political philosophy theory has the benefit very much. 而柏拉图也同样希望见到这位能让一个小小的城邦迅速崛起为西地中海最强大的希腊势力的年轻国王,能当面请教“使国家迅速强大”的政治奥秘,相信对完善他的政治哲学理论很有裨益。 Two people are holding the urgent desire, the king office in Theonia royal palace met like this. 两人都抱着迫切的愿望,就这样在戴奥尼亚王宫的国王办公厅相见了。 The Plato figure is not tall, powerfully-built, with China traditional, the outstandingly talented writer delicate elegant image is widely divergent, but Davos as a young king who founds powerful Kingdom of Theonia, cannot stain the too big side with the word „handsome supernatural might”. 柏拉图身材不高,体格强壮,跟中国传统的、才高八斗的文人清秀俊雅形象大相径庭,而戴弗斯作为一手创建强大的戴奥尼亚王国的年轻国王,也跟“英俊神武”一词沾不上太大的边。 But both are not the average people, this mediocre attitude will not regard the opposite party with „judging people solely on appearance”, after sizes up opposite party one mutually, Plato first said: „Respectable Davos your majesty, I arrived here from the harbor, discovered all the way the Theonia citizen has a very big difference from other Greek city-state citizens-” he stopped, sees Davos to show the curious look, then said: „You have not gathered the beard, is intentionally so?” 但两位都不是普通人,不会用“以貌取人”这种凡俗态度来看待对方,在相互打量对方一番之后,柏拉图首先说道:“尊敬的戴弗斯陛下,我从港口来到这里,一路上发现戴奥尼亚公民与其他希腊城邦公民有一个很大的区别-”他停顿了一下,见戴弗斯露出好奇的神色,接着说道:“你们都没有蓄胡须,是故意如此吗？” Davos has not thought that Plato asks such an issue, he touches the smooth chin subconsciously, said with a smile: „This is because the Theonia people in these years life, realized that lets grow long the beard is not a good deed. Our citizen soldiers in the enemy combat, discovered that the beard is too long is caught to cause injured and even lose the life by the opposite party easily ; But the doctors of Theonia medical school after the research discovery, the beard are too many are too long, if not clean frequently, inside will multiply the little thing that some we cannot see, making us suffer from the disease, but the frequent clean will cost our lots of energy and time, might as well thorough scrapes off it.” 戴弗斯没有想到柏拉图一开口会问这样一个问题,他下意识的摸了摸光溜溜的下巴,笑着说道:“这是因为戴奥尼亚民众在这些年的生活中,意识到留长胡须并不是一件好事。我们的公民兵在和敌人作战中,发现胡须太长容易被对方拽住而导致受伤、甚至失去生命;而戴奥尼亚医学院的医生们经过研究发现,胡须太多太长,如果不频繁清洗,里面会滋生一些我们看不到的小东西,让我们患上疾病,但频繁的清洗又会耗费我们大量的精力和时间,还不如彻底的刮掉它。” Listened to Davos this saying subconsciously, Plato is also touching the lower jaw thick beard, hesitated was saying: „Said, Theonian does advocate practical? Therefore even isn't willing to follow the Greek ancient tradition?” 听戴弗斯这一说,柏拉图也下意识的抚摸着自己下颌浓密的胡须,沉吟着说道:“这么说,戴奥尼亚人崇尚实用？为此甚至不愿意遵循希腊古老的传统？” Davos smiles, earnest saying: „Our Greeks to the environment and natural understanding is gradual clear and rich, the scholar of high antiquity is not definitely able to compare with present us with the lapse of time, therefore their many views and understanding were simple, even was wrong......, therefore good Greek tradition, we naturally must inherit ; Not the good tradition, why we must retain it! Locks the woman like other city-state in home, but our Theonia actually gives the education of kingdom women more freedom and equality, you in «Republic of Plato» did not urge that similarly can make city-state implement the equality of the sexes?!......” 戴弗斯一笑,认真的说道:“我们希腊人对环境和自然的认识是随着时间的推移而逐渐的清晰和丰富,远古时代的学者是肯定无法与现在的我们相比的,因此他们很多的看法和认识都是简单的,甚至是错误的……所以好的希腊传统,我们当然要继承;可不好的传统,我们为什么还要保留它！就像其它城邦都将妇女锁在家中,而我们戴奥尼亚却给予王国妇女们更多的自由和平等的教育,你在《理想国》中不也同样呼吁要让城邦实行男女平等吗？！……” The Davos words, making Plato listen attentively while think, but he has not responded directly, but asked: „Since your majesty you said that must inherit the good Greek tradition, does not abandon well, then you become the king, turns into the kingdom the Theonia alliance, is thinks that king Zheng the system is better than other regime is right?” 戴弗斯的话,让柏拉图一边倾听一边思索,但他并没有直接回应,而是问道:“既然陛下你说要继承好的希腊传统,摒弃不好的,那么你成为国王,将戴奥尼亚联盟变成王国,是认为王政制度优于其他政体对吗？” Davos does not have the direct reaction his issue, but visits him, earnest saying: „I have looked at your «Republic of Plato», thinks regarding you ‚, only then the philosopher is the best city-state ruler’ viewpoint, I do not approve. Even makes the philosopher be in power, will only make city-state worse!” 戴弗斯同样没有直接回答他的问题,而是看着他,认真的说道:“我看过你的《理想国》,对于你认为‘只有哲学家才是最好的城邦统治者’的观点,我并不认同。甚至让哲学家当政,只会让城邦变得更糟糕！” Plato one hear of this saying, both eyes open the eyes, immediately quickly returned to normal, asked with emphasis: „Why does king think?” 柏拉图一听这话,双目一睁,随即又很快恢复了平静,加重语气问道:“国王陛下为什么会这么认为？” Davos unhurriedly saying: „Our Greeks is called the philosophy ‚loves studying of wisdom’, is profound knowledge that an inquisition world, society and world...... all things evolve, the person who can call it the philosopher, must make the complete effort, can obtain itself to the penetrating opinion of this world, this is not an easy matter, where then he does have the garbage time to govern the country?! You have a look here-” 戴弗斯不慌不忙的说道:“我们希腊人把哲学称为‘爱智慧之学’,是一门探究天地、社会、人间……万事万物演变的高深学问,能够被称之为哲学家的人,必然是要将全部的心力都投入到其中,才能获得自己对这个世界的精辟见解,这并不是一件易事,那么他哪里有多余时间来治理国家？！你看看我这里-” Davos points at the letter, proposal and material that on the desk are piling up......, sighed, said: „ This is the kingdom business that my day must handle, in addition I must convene the official to discuss, participates in the discussions of various council proposals...... in this day, I have almost no idle time. Meets with you, I must plan beforehand, extracted a half hour of free time, moreover this will also cause me to 1 : 00 pm go home tonight, otherwise some resolutions cannot reply promptly, can only advance tomorrow, not only this means reduction of administrative efficiency, possibly means that people's lives of the city or area of kingdom are greatly affected...... 戴弗斯指着自己办公桌上堆积如山的信件、提案、资料……,叹了口气,说道:“这是我一天要处理的王国事务,除此之外我还要招集官员进行商讨,参与元老院各项提案的讨论……在这一天里,我几乎没有什么空余的时间。就连和你会面,我也要事先计划好,才抽出了半个小时的空闲,而且这还会导致今晚我必须晚 1 点回家,否则一些决议不能及时批复,就只能推到明天,这不但意味着行政效率的降低,也可能意味着王国的一个城市或者一个地区的民众生活受到很大影响…… You look, to be a king, he does not have the time to study the philosophy, can only put in the most energy into the numerous and diverse city-state business. Each city chief executives in my kingdom are also so, their powers quite other city-state rulers, they must assiduous diligently and conscientious solves the actual problem of its jurisdiction city, if who energy expenditure in study knowledge, but does not do the proper business, does not need me to replace him, the local congressman and insurance people officer will lodge the protest to him...... ” 你瞧,要想当好一个国王,他就没有时间专研哲学,只能将自己大半的精力都投入到繁杂的城邦事务之中。我王国的各个城市行政长官也是如此,他们的权力相当于其他城邦的统治者,他们必须勤勉努力、脚踏实地的去解决其管辖城市的实际问题,如果谁将精力花费在钻研学问上,而不干正事,不用我撤换他,当地的议员和保民官就会向他提出抗议……” „Your majesty, your diligence makes me exclaim in surprise!” Plato first makes the praise, then self-poise saying: „Since your majesty you said that the philosophy is to love the knowledge of wisdom, then intelligent does not depend to sit there fantasizes can result in comes, he must by refine from the practice. When you came across the difficult problem in the processing government affairs, goes to the earnest ponder, discovered rule, and found the method of solution finally, even can refine the system this method, giving extended application, this is not the result of utilization philosophy!......” “陛下,你的勤政让我惊叹！”柏拉图先做出夸赞,然后镇定自若的说道:“既然陛下您都说了,哲学是爱智慧的学问,那么智慧并不是靠坐在那里空想就能得来的,他要靠从实践中去提炼。当你在处理政务中遇到了难题,去认真的思考,发现其中的规律,并最终找到解决的方法,甚至能够将这种方法提炼成制度,推而广之,这难道不是运用哲学的结果吗！……” „It seems like I and kingdom each chief executives are the philosophers, this philosopher was also too easy to work as.” Davos refuted one gently. “看来我和王国内的各个行政长官都是哲学家啰,这哲学家也太容易当了。”戴弗斯轻轻的反驳了一句。
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