MHAG :: Volume #7

#650: The entire Greek scholar congress convenes

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„If the city-state rulers can unceasing the learn/study in the unceasing practice, rather than wallows in enjoyment of physical body. They can treat the city-state people with the charitable disposition, can the vision keen by the thing discovery essence, formulates helps the city-state citizen about beautiful and just genial law, and guidance people observe it, guarding it...... that they naturally are the philosophers, this is without a doubt!” The Plato spoken language said firmly. “如果城邦的统治者们都能够在不断的实践中不断的学习,而不是沉迷于肉体的享受。他们都能够怀着善念对待城邦民众,能够视觉敏锐的透过事物发现本质,制定出有利于城邦公民的关于美、正义和善的法律,并且引导民众去遵守它,守卫它……那么他们当然是哲学家,这是毋庸置疑的！”柏拉图言语坚定地说道。 Davos knows that Plato expanded the concept of philosopher, but he thought that does not need to go to refute directly, but shifted to other issue: „In «Republic of Plato», you thinks that a true philosopher should have to love real and is not false, has to control not to seek after to lead a life of comfort, broad-minded, generous and open-minded, has the guts not to fear death, fair virtuous, is diligent intelligently, inborn harmonious, the onset and retreat has...... in other words, he should be a perfect good man, such philosopher can become truly governing, is this right?” 戴弗斯知道柏拉图将哲学家的概念扩大了,但他觉得没必要去直接反驳,而是转向了别的问题:“在《理想国》一书中,你认为一个真正的哲学家应该具有爱真实而不虚假,有节制而不贪图享乐,心胸开阔,豁达大度,有胆量不怕死,公正贤良,聪明好学,天生和谐,进退有度……也就是说,他应该是一个完美的善人,这样的哲学家才能成为真正的治国者,是这样的对吧？” „Right, basically is this.” Plato said confidently, then added one: „But is very difficult to achieve at the present.” “没错,基本上是这样。”柏拉图坦然说道,接着又加了一句:“但是在现在很难达到。” „Now is very why difficult to achieve?” Davos closely examined one. “为什么现在很难达到？”戴弗斯追问了一句。 „Because in present city-state has not given the philosopher to display the governing stage!” Plato slightly exciting reply: „ Some so-called ‚the wise man’ on city-state ecclesia, only knows that flatters and caters to the people recklessly, the attack true pursue thing real philosopher, because real always compares falsely makes the people be hard to accept, therefore the philosophers were not welcome by the city-state people. But city-state this bad environment is tempting the extraordinarily talented young people, making them ambitious, rather learns the honeyed words to cater to the people to earn the power and wealth, is not willing through slave general difficult disciplining, to obtain the rationality. “因为现在的城邦中没有给予哲学家施展治国之才的舞台！”柏拉图略显激动的回答:“一些所谓的‘智者’在城邦公民大会上,只知道肆意讨好和迎合民众,攻击真正追求事物真实的哲学家,因为真实总比虚假更让民众难以接受,因此哲学家们不受城邦民众欢迎。而城邦这种恶劣的环境引诱着才华出众的年轻人,使他们变得野心勃勃,宁愿去学习花言巧语迎合民众而赚取权力和财富,也不愿通过奴隶一般的艰苦磨练,去获得理性。 As the matter stands, the true philosopher are getting fewer and fewer, like falling into wild animal group, they are not only not willing to participate to do evil, cannot resist all wild animals independently, therefore has to remain silent, only pays attention to own matter...... ” 这样一来,真正的哲学家越来越少,就像落入野兽群中一样,他们既不愿参与作恶,又不能独立对抗所有野兽,因此只好保持沉默,只关注自己的事情……” „Therefore you wrote «Republic of Plato», in fact it does not exist in the reality.” If Davos has become aware. “所以你写了《理想国》,事实上它在现实中并不存在。”戴弗斯若有所悟。 „No, it will exist one day!” Plato vision firm and resolute saying: „For this reason, I built Aka Desmis academy!......” “不,它总有一天会存在！”柏拉图目光坚毅的说道:“为此,我建立了阿卡德米学园！……” Davos was vibrated by the Plato words, gazes at this previous generation was being called „greatly” the philosopher, Davos deeply felt that he must for oneself idea struggle lifetime determination, this made him think previous generation another almost and Plato same time, affected the Chinese more than 2000 years of sages, they were the same kind of people, can therefore the achievement its great. 戴弗斯被柏拉图的话语所震动,注视着这位前世被称之为“伟大”的哲学家,戴弗斯深深感觉到他要为自己的理念奋斗一生的决心,这让他想到了前世另一位几乎和柏拉图同一时代、影响了中国2000多年的先哲,他们都是同一类人,所以才能成就其伟大。 Thinks of this, Davos no longer on «Republic of Plato» he thinks that the insufficient place creates obstacles, but is spoken language gentle consulting said: „ In «Republic of Plato», you mentioned that ‚strict social division of labor is the most important principle that ideal city-state establishes, the ruler, guardian, farmer and artisan defend its duty respectively, can guarantee the country to be orderly, everyone peaceful happy......’, but, occupies population most slaves and foreigners in city-state, you do not seem to consider them, this perhaps is a very big hidden danger. 想到此,戴弗斯不再就《理想国》一书中他认为不足的地方进行刁难,而是言语平和的请教道:“在《理想国》一书中,你提到‘严格的社会分工是理想城邦建立的首要原则,统治者、护卫者、农民、工匠各守其职,才能保证国家秩序井然,每个人安乐幸福……’但是,在城邦中占据人口大多数的奴隶和外邦人,你似乎没有把他们考虑在内,这或许是一个很大的隐患。 Because the slave and foreigner have own political appeal, once city-state is unable to give them, then they will certainly bring very big destruction to the city-state order. In Peloponnesian War, should unite as one and resist Athens of foreign enemy because actually rebels of more than 20,000 miner slaves brought the major attack to its people ; When Syracuse under Dionysius rule with our Theonia combat, the discriminated Syracuse harbor freeman becomes main force that conducts the rebellion, to overthrow the Dionysius rule...... 因为奴隶和外邦人也有自己的政治诉求,一旦城邦无法给予他们,那么他们必将给城邦的秩序带来很大的破坏。在伯罗奔尼撒战争中,本应团结一致、对抗外敌的雅典却因为2万多名矿工奴隶的叛逃给它的民众带来了重大打击;狄奥尼修斯统治下的锡拉库扎与我们戴奥尼亚作战时,一直遭受歧视的锡拉库扎港口自由民成为进行暴动、推翻狄奥尼修斯统治的主要力量…… In addition, you are divided into several ranks the city-state people, the farmer can only be engaged in the agriculture, the artisan can only be engaged in the handicraft industry, the guardian can only participate in the war...... such a division extremely idealizing, actually extremely ossified. Because most people some desires want to obtain better city-state position, perhaps the farmer and artisan also want to become the guardian, the guardian also wants to become the ruler, no matter they can achieve, you should give them this possibility beforehand the way of its desire, making the entire city-state different social classes maintain a fluidity, the city-state people will have the vigorous vitality. You do not want to know that Theonia rapid powerful reason, this is one of the reasons! ” 此外,你将城邦的民众分成几个等级,农民就只能从事农业,工匠就只能从事手工业,护卫者就只能参与战争……这样的一种划分是不是太过理想化,却又太过僵化了。因为大多数民众都有欲望想获得更好的城邦地位,农夫、工匠或许也想成为护卫者,护卫者也想成为统治者,不管他们能不能做到,你应该给予他们这种可能事先其愿望的途径,让整个城邦的不同阶级保持着一种流动性,城邦的民众才会拥有勃勃的生机。你不是想知道戴奥尼亚迅速强大的原因吗,这就是原因之一！” ...... …… Davos and Plato are exchanging to the opinion and view of city-state system, from time to time the vigorous argument, the tranquil discussion, two people invest from time to time. 戴弗斯和柏拉图相互交流着对城邦制度的见解和看法,时而激烈的争论,时而平静的探讨,两人都非常的投入。 A half hour, has spoken in a flash the reminder until law clerk Hernipolis, Davos has to stop the exchange, to the expression of Plato apology: He then also has the important matter to do, this talk can only arrive at this to end. 不知不觉间,半个小时转瞬即过,直到书记官赫尼波利斯出言提醒,戴弗斯才不得不停止了交流,向柏拉图歉意的表示:他接下来还有要事要做,这场谈话只能到此结束。 Plato looks the color of regret, from was received at first careless, to the present entire sentiment investment, in this talk, he truly profits a great deal. 柏拉图面露遗憾之色,从最初被接见时的漫不经心,到现在的全情投入,在这场谈话中,他确实受益良多。 At this moment, he requested sincerely: „Davos can your majesty, accept my request?” 此刻,他诚挚的请求道:“戴弗斯陛下,能答应我一个要求吗？” „Please say.” “你请说。” „Can permit actual operation of each organization I visit the Kingdom of Theonia subordinate , patrols and construction section, to have the inspection and official administration committee of recruitment public officials like the school that you said a moment ago......” “能否允许我参观戴奥尼亚王国下属的各个机构的实际运作情况,像你刚才所说的学校、巡察部、建筑部、还有考核和招收公职人员的官员管理委员会……” „This naturally does not have the issue.” Davos refreshed complying, and said: „This is my law clerk Hernipolis and Theonia council senior statesman. Waited for Plato you to finish in the school speech, led you to visit to various Thurii places from him.” “这当然没有问题。”戴弗斯爽快的答应,并且说道:“这是我的书记官赫尼波利斯、戴奥尼亚元老院元老。等柏拉图你在学院演讲结束,由他带领你到图里伊各处参观。” Plato expresses gratitude immediately. 柏拉图立刻表示了感谢。 After he departs, asking of Hernipolis doubts: „Your majesty, can you really make Plato visit our administrative machinery carefully?” 他离去之后,赫尼波利斯疑惑的问道:“陛下,您真要让柏拉图去仔细参观我们的行政机构？” „Naturally. Plato is the entire Greek well-known scholar, moreover constructs own academy, I am hoping that he publicizes the regime of my Kingdom of Theonia to be superior in Greece, is Theonia to become famous.” Davos saying without hesitation. “当然。柏拉图是全希腊知名学者,而且还建有自己的学园,我正希望他在希腊本土宣扬我戴奥尼亚王国的政体优越,为戴奥尼亚扬名。”戴弗斯不假思索的说道。 „But this may make other city-state be truant our systems.” Saying that Hernipolis slightly worries about obviously. “可是这可能会让其他城邦将我们的制度偷学了去。”赫尼波利斯略显担忧的说道。 Davos laughs: „Henie, a manufacture of weaponry can be truant, a manufacture of handicrafts can be truant, the only political system is very difficult to be truant, particularly constructs city very long city-state to these, traditional conservative influence numerous and powerful, to change the regime, definitely will infringe their benefits, when the time comes could not avoid a bloody rebellion, Syracuse Herolis was the example! Therefore , what person wears what shoes, acting unreasonably is incorrect......” 戴弗斯哈哈一笑:“赫尼,一件武器装备的制作可以偷学,一件手工艺品的制作可以偷学,唯独政治制度是很难偷学的,尤其是对那些建城很久的城邦,传统守旧的势力众多而且实力雄厚,要想改变政体,就必然会损害他们的利益,到时候避免不了一场血腥的暴动,锡拉库扎的赫罗利斯就是榜样啊！所以说,什么样的人穿什么样的鞋,乱来是不行的……” ....................................... ………………………………… An entire Greek scholar congress not official opening ceremony, this is considered that the scholars advocate the freedom, does not like wasting the time to sit hears the polite talk there, but teaching and discussion exchange of time how coordinated invited scholar is actually a troublesome issue. 全希腊学者大会并没有一个正式的开幕仪式,这是考虑到学者们崇尚自由,不喜欢浪费时间坐在那里听人讲套话,但是如何协调被邀学者的讲课和讨论交流时间却是一个麻烦的问题。 These time holds the conference mainly four places in Theonia academy, respectively is the number school, literary academy, medical school and wise school. The much invited scholar has the achievements in many domains, for example the Democritus disciple Sines Trient's to philosophy, math and medicine has the research ; Lyssy as the important personage of Pythagoras school of thought that not only deeply has the research in the math and physics, but also has oneself unique philosophy idea...... these schools to make the scholars first arrive at itself to explain, therefore debates unceasingly. 这一次举行会议的主要在戴奥尼亚学园里的四个地方,分别是数学院、文学院、医学院和哲学院。不少被邀学者在多个领域均有建树,比如德谟克利特的弟子塞恩斯特里安对哲学、数学、医学均有研究;吕西斯作为毕达哥拉斯学派的重要人物,不但在数学、物理上深有研究,而且拥有自己独特的哲学理念……这几个学院都想让学者们首先到自己这边讲解,因此争论不休。 Was good held a concurrent post of the preparation chairman of this congress because of Davos, he deans of four schools gathered together, after discussed repeatedly, quick formulated the arrangement of program. 好在戴弗斯兼任了这次大会的筹办主席,他将四个学院的院长聚在一起,经过反复商议,很快就制定了日程的安排。 The Plato students go to the Theonia academy, discovered, just like Froster Karta said, big and construction this academy area many, environment exquisite truly far exceeds Aka Desmis Institute, this lets their slightly lose at heart, but is quick they to wallow in various profound mysterious knowledge. 柏拉图的学生们来到戴奥尼亚学园,发现正如福斯特卡达所说,这个学园面积之大、建筑之多、环境之优美确实远超过阿卡德米学院,这让他们的心里略有失落,但是很快他们就沉迷在高深奥妙的各种知识中。 They shuttle back and forth in each schools frequently, listens attentively to teaching of scholars. 他们频繁穿梭于各个学院之间,倾听学者们的讲课。 In the literary academy, they listen attentively to «Logic of Lysias Application in Forensic argument», Isocrates «How To carve Your Speech» ; 在文学院,他们倾听吕西亚斯的《逻辑学在法庭辩论中的应用》,伊索克拉底的《如何雕琢你的演讲》; Is counting the school, they think deeply about Matic Lees's «Material Oscillating curve Regular Discussion», Metoticles «Probability Discussion»( this is Davos request number school these for 67 years has calculated odds for ball games competition, counts school discovery and summary a knowledge.) ; 在数学院,他们思索马提克里斯的《物质振动曲线的规律性探讨》,门托提克埃尔斯的《概率初论》(这是戴弗斯委托数学院这六七年来一直为球类比赛计算赔率,数学院从中发现并总结出来的一门知识。); In the wise school, they must distinguish Lyssy to tell related that „myriad things all count” the philosophy and Andros to raise «by Thing Existence» that carefully nun tells( he is student who Elliade's Parmenides sends, similarly was also the vice-presidents of Theonia academy wise school) has what similarities and differences from the philosophy that Teacher Plato taught ; 在哲学院,他们要仔细辨别吕西斯讲述的有关“万物皆数”的哲学、安德罗斯提尼讲述的《论事物的存在》(他是埃利亚的巴门尼德派的学生,同样也是戴奥尼亚学园哲学院的副院长)与柏拉图老师所教授的哲学有何异同; In the medical school, they stare the big eye to look at Herpus to tell and function of demonstration heart operation, Stacy Quedas's «Human Common disease- Cold Pathogenesis Analysis», as well as Hippocrates proposed „obedient nature” medicine viewpoint( i.e. human body were the best good medicine that resisted disease, the primary responsibility of doctor stands on the side of nature, promoted the restoration of sickness body and spirit)...... 在医学院,他们瞪大眼睛看赫尔普斯讲述和演示心脏运作的功能,斯泰西科达斯的《人类常见病-感冒的发病原理初探》,以及希波克拉底提出的“服从自然”的医学观点(即人体自身才是抵抗疾病的最佳良药,医生的主要责任就是站在自然一边,促进病患身体和精神的恢复)…… present shields Poos they when the study knowledge, knew many young outstanding, they mostly are the students in Theonia academy, each one self-confident natural, hard-working, in listening to the scholars spoke not only used the straw paper record main point momentarily, but also positive inquiry, even because repeatedly the issue perplexed the orator profoundly. 斯庇西普斯他们在学习和吸收知识的同时,也认识了不少年轻俊杰,他们大多是戴奥尼亚学园的学生,个个自信大方,勤奋好学,在听学者们演讲时不但随时用莎草纸记录要点,而且积极提问,甚至多次因为问题深刻而难住了演讲者。 After getting down, the students in these Theonia academies also hold the vigorous discussion, shields Poos they also to be involved, actually cannot keep up with their thought frequently agile, because lacks a richer knowledge. In fact this can understand, the teacher in Aka Desmis academy mainly only then, Plato, although the knowledge is profound, but his impossible each domain to have the thorough research, but the Theonia academy teacher is numerous, mostly is the well-known scholar, and permits various specialized student audits and exchange studies. 下来之后,这些戴奥尼亚学园的学生还进行激烈的讨论,斯庇西普斯他们也加入其中,却常常跟不上他们思维的敏捷,因为缺乏更丰富的知识。事实上这可以理解,阿卡德米学园的老师主要只有一位,柏拉图虽然知识渊博,但他不可能各个领域都有深入的研究,而戴奥尼亚学园老师众多,大多都是知名的学者,并且允许各专业的学生旁听和交流学习。
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