MHAG :: Volume #7

#640: Plato

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Because even outstanding candidate, when he was young, because the knowledge and story are insufficient, is easy to impulse and works, changed/easy Shou seduce crudely, the child who this time has will often inherit these shortcomings, when the outstanding candidate thought is mature the child who has will be steady and think...... ” 因为即使是优秀者,在年轻时,因为学识、阅历不够,容易冲动、做事鲁莽、易受诱惑,这个时期生育的孩子往往会继承这些缺点,而当优秀者思想成熟时所生育的孩子则会稳重、多思……” Hears here, some students look the happy expression, if there is obtained, some students were still thinking. 听到这里,有的学生面露喜色,若有所得,有的学生仍在思索。 present shields Poos to continue to inquire: „ Teacher, you had said that ‚in nowadays Greek city-state, Sparta is you have seen the best royal power regime. The double king and elder powwow and supervisory officer...... the establishments of these positions, causing Sparta become the royal power regime that a mix becomes, either one does not grasp absolutely the despotic right, received the powerful restriction to the greed of power.’...... 斯庇西普斯继续提问道:“老师,你曾经说过,‘在现今的希腊城邦中,斯巴达是你见过的最好的王权政体。双王、长老议事会、监察官……这些职位的设置,使得斯巴达成为一个混合而成的王权政体,任何一方都不掌握绝对专横的权利,对权力的贪欲受到了强有力的制约。’…… However now Sparta violates the Greek tradition, tyrannical invaded Thebes, what view regarding this do you have? ” 但是现在斯巴达违反希腊传统,强横的侵占了底比斯,对此你有什么看法？” „Shields Poos.” Plato shields Poos facing present, in the look always has one point of affection, because shields Poos is the son in his younger sister Porto, his moderate saying: „ I had said Sparta is the good royal power regime, does not mean that it will become one completely to follow Greek traditional city-state obediently, exactly the regime of Sparta, enabling it long time to dominate the Peloponnese peninsula, but the home does not have the big problem. Under present this chaotic situation, Sparta is still dominating various Greek city-state leading powers, isn't this role that its system advantage plays? “斯庇西普斯。”柏拉图面对斯庇西普斯,眼神中总带有一分慈爱,因为斯庇西普斯是他妹妹波托内的儿子,他语气温和的说道:“我说过斯巴达是好的王权政体,并不是意味着它会循规蹈矩的成为一个完全遵循希腊传统的城邦,恰恰正是斯巴达的这种政体,使它能够长时间称霸伯罗奔尼撒半岛,而国内不出现大的问题。在如今这种混乱的局势下,斯巴达依然把持着希腊各城邦的主导权,这难道不是它制度优势所发挥的作用吗？ However other Thebes not small and weak city-state, Sparta , to enslave it is completely not the easy matter. On the contrary, it occupies Thebes health/guard city for a long time, will only increase the Thebes people's repugnance to Sparta. One day, this repugnance can cause the fire, burns down the Sparta army, led the Athens people to overthrow the overstepping authority main rule like past Thrasybulus...... ” 不过底比斯并非其他弱小城邦,斯巴达要想完全奴役它并非容易的事。相反,它长时间占据底比斯卫城,只会增加底比斯民众对斯巴达的反感。总有一天,这种反感会引发大火,将斯巴达军队烧毁,就像当年色拉西布洛斯率领雅典民众推翻僭主统治一样……” „Teacher Plato, since Sparta is in Greek city-state the best royal power regime, how you do feel the royal power system of Theonia?” Ally Phuoclong from Corinth asked. “柏拉图老师,既然斯巴达是希腊城邦中最好的王权政体,你觉得戴奥尼亚的王权制度怎么样？”来自科林斯的阿利福隆问道。 Theonia! Hears this name, Plato exudes the ripples at heart, he once yearned that visits west this Mediterranean city-state alliance, actually cannot make the trip for various reasons, always has a regret in the heart. 戴奥尼亚！听到这个名字,柏拉图的心里泛起涟漪,他曾经向往去访问这个西地中海的城邦联盟,却因为种种原因未能成行,在心中始终有一个遗憾。 In he is distracted, Au Loek Lancet refuted: „Theonia is not Greek city-state, it is a political power of alien race person.” 就在他走神之际,奥勒阿斯反驳道:“戴奥尼亚并不是希腊城邦,它是一个异族人的政权。” Ally Phuoclong refuted: „You are looked that «Theonian» this play looked, the Kingdom of Theonia main nationality was Greeks, the Center Thurii of kingdom Borwick summoned initially that city of entire Greeks construction, in other country also had Crotone, Taranto and Locri...... these is west the Mediterranean famous Greece city, how didn't Theonia also belong to Greece?!” 阿利福隆反驳道:“你是看《戴奥尼亚人》这个戏剧看多了吧,戴奥尼亚王国的主要民族是希腊人,王国的中心-图里伊可是当初伯利克里号召全希腊人修建的那座城市,它国内的还有克罗托内、塔兰图姆、洛克里……这些都是西地中海有名的希腊城市,戴奥尼亚又怎么不是属于希腊了？！” „Theonia has not obtained the acknowledgment of Delphi, its four big games are not even able to participate, how also possibly to be recognized as the Greek country?” Au Loek Lancet refuted again. “戴奥尼亚并未得到德尔菲的承认,它甚至连四大运动会都无法参加,又怎么可能被认同为希腊国家呢？”奥勒阿斯再一次反驳。 „I heard that likes Lees sending out the invitation in pulling strings of Sparta to Theonia several next times, but Theonia proposed, ‚, so long as agreed that allows the alien race citizen to participate in Olympic Games, it sends out the team.’ Likes Lees not agreeing, Theonia has not participated in Olympic Games.” present shields Poos to remind. “我听说爱利斯在斯巴达的指使下几次对戴奥尼亚发出邀请,但戴奥尼亚提出,‘只要同意让异族公民参加奥林匹亚运动会,它就派出代表队。’爱利斯没有同意,戴奥尼亚才没有参加过奥林匹亚运动会。”斯庇西普斯提醒道。 „This precisely did not explain that the approval of our Greece city-state to Theonia has the anxiety?” “这不正好说明我们希腊城邦对戴奥尼亚的认同存在疑虑吗？” ...... …… Plato has not stopped students' argument, while listening attentively to students opinion, he was also pondering, how better answered Ally the issue of Phuoclong. 柏拉图没有制止学生们的争论,在倾听学生们意见的同时,他也在思考,如何更好的来回答阿利福隆的这个问题。 At this time, the gate guards of school walked, respectful said to Plato: „Some outside people request to see you, he said that he came from Theonia.” 这时,学院的门卫走了过来,恭敬的对柏拉图说道:“外面有人要求见你,他说他来自戴奥尼亚。” The gate guards finished speaking, present everyone to stop the speech. 门卫话音刚落,在场所有人都停止了说话。 Is discussing Theonia, never expected that the Theonia person came, this was also too skillful! 正在讨论戴奥尼亚,没想到戴奥尼亚的人就来了,这也太巧了！ „Makes him come.” Plato is also curious, he and has no friend in Theonia, only knows well was Lysias, it is said that he crossed very well in Thurii. “让他过来吧。”柏拉图同样好奇,他在戴奥尼亚并没有什么朋友,唯一熟识的就是吕西亚斯了,据说他在图里伊过得很不错。 After a while, the gate guard gets young people to walk toward them. 过了一会儿,门卫就领着一个年轻人向他们走来。 The vision curious focus of people on him, the young people have not felt constrained, natural to Plato salutes, then respectful saying: „I am Froster Karta, from the Theonia academy, on behalf of Teacher Gorgias, sends his letter/believes to you, and waits for your reply.” 众人的目光都好奇的聚焦在他身上,年轻人一点没感到拘束,大大方方的向柏拉图行礼,然后恭敬的说道:“我是福斯特卡达,来自戴奥尼亚学园,受高尔吉亚老师的委托,给您送来他的一封信,并且等待您的回信。” Gorgias! Plato quite feels surprisedly, asked: „I remember Gorgias should when Leontium, several years ago I travel Sicily, but also has visited him. Theonia when he goes to?” 高尔吉亚！柏拉图颇感惊讶,问道:“我记得高尔吉亚应该在列奥提尼,几年前我游历西西里时,还拜访过他。他什么时候去的戴奥尼亚？” Froster Karta thinks, replied: „Approximately in the Theonia six years, King Davos invited him to be the teacher to the Theonia academy personally, he accepted the invitation.” 福斯特卡达想了想,回答:“大约是在戴奥尼亚六年吧,戴弗斯国王亲自邀请他到戴奥尼亚学园担任老师,他接受了邀请。” Plato has had the research to Theonia, therefore also quite knew about Theonia this unique dating system way, slightly reveal surprised saying: „That should be I have seen shortly after Gorgias matter. He told me at that time, he is old, is unhealthy, will not arrive at Athens to visit again, has not thought that unexpectedly went to Theonia Thurii......” 柏拉图对戴奥尼亚有过研究,因此对戴奥尼亚这种独特的纪年方式还比较了解,微露惊讶的说道:“那就应该是我见过高尔吉亚之后不久的事。他当时告诉我,他年岁已大,身体不好,不会再到雅典来访问,没想到居然又去了戴奥尼亚的图里伊……” Froster Karta said proudly: „That is because Dr. Theonia has the excellent medical skill, can treat the disease of Teacher Gorgias, but the Theonia institute's fine environment helps him study the knowledge and professor student, therefore touched him.” 福斯特卡达傲然说道:“那是因为戴奥尼亚医生有高超的医术,能够治疗高尔吉亚老师的疾病,而戴奥尼亚学院优良的环境有利于他研究学问和教授学生,所以才打动了他。” Plato nods, asks: „Are you Gorgias's student?” 柏拉图点点头,问道:“你是高尔吉亚的学生？” Froster Karta hesitant, said: „Gorgias is my teacher, I learn the philosophy from him. However I also learn the history from Teacher Ansitanos, learns the math and how much from Teacher Matic Lees, learns the rhetoric and debate from Teacher Lysias......” 福斯特卡达犹豫了一下,说道:“高尔吉亚是我的老师,我向他学习哲学。不过我也向安西塔诺斯老师学习历史,向马提克里斯老师学习数学、几何,向吕西亚斯老师学习修辞和辩论……” Hears here, Plato was sighing at heart: Aka Desmis Institute is he trains the outstanding student, realizes the political ideal the educational facility, he wants to let each student obtains variously, the high-quality education. However is not receives the subsidization of entire kingdom like Dio Mia aircraft academy, has incomparably rich teaching resource, Aka Desmis academy is he and friend the private property, from the establishment until now, besides he himself and occasional several friends, has not invited the renowned scholar to teach the students profound math and geometric knowledge specially, although he also browses in this aspect, but is unable to satisfy some hopes of student further learn/study completely, what therefore are more is lets them the reading book collection. Therefore, Plato spends various many energy and to collect the books of various knowledge through ways. 听到这里,柏拉图在心里叹息了一声:阿卡德米学院是他培养优秀学生,实现自己政治理想的教育场所,他何尝不想让每位学生都得到多方面的、优质的教育。但是不像戴奥米亚学园是受到整个王国的资助,有着无比丰富的教学资源,阿卡德米学园是他和朋友的私产,从成立到现在为止,除了他自己和偶尔的几个朋友,还没有邀请到著名的学者来专门教授学生们高深的数学和几何知识,虽然他在这方面也有涉猎,但无法完全满足有些学生进一步学习的渴望,所以更多的是让他们自己去阅读藏书。为此,柏拉图花费很多精力、通过各种途径去收集各种知识的书籍。 Plato has not questioned again, but opened Gorgias's letter. 柏拉图没有再问话,而是打开了高尔吉亚的信件。 While he reads the letter/believes, the curious students have started to exchange with Froster Karta. 就在他看信的同时,好奇的学生们已经开始与福斯特卡达进行交流。 „We had heard that the Theonia academy is west the place of Mediterranean biggest pedagogical knowledge, compared with it and our Aka Desmis, which is better?” Economic and cultural most prosperous city of Athens in as Greek city-state, once was called „the entire Greek best school” by Perikles, therefore the Athens young people have a self-confidence of culture, regarding the person from colony, always has one proudly, even if these are receiving the youth of higher education still. “我们早就听说戴奥尼亚学园是西地中海最大的教育知识的场所,它和我们的阿卡德米相比,哪一个更好？”雅典作为希腊城邦中经济文化最繁荣的城市,曾经被伯里克利称为“全希腊最好的学校”,因此雅典的年轻人都有一种文化的自信,对于来自殖民地的人,总是带着一份傲然,即使是这些正受着更高等教育的青年也不例外。 Froster Karta watches their facial expressions, does not have the direct reaction, but asked one earnestly: „Is your school area much big?” 福斯特卡达将他们的神情看在眼里,没有直接回答,而是认真的问了一句:“你们的学院占地面积多大？” „About ten mu place.” “大约十亩地。” „Some how many teachers?” Froster Karta maintains composure and asked one. “有多少老师？”福斯特卡达不动声色的又问一句。 „We not only has Teacher Plato,...... also has Teacher Cea Heyte Tus also often to teach us the math.” Au Loek Lancet to fear was taken lightly, added on especially a time came Athens mathematician Cea Heyte Tus occasionally. “我们不但有柏拉图老师,还有……还有塞阿埃特图斯老师也时常来教我们数学。”奥勒阿斯为怕被看轻,又特地加上了偶尔来一次的雅典数学家塞阿埃特图斯。 „Some how many students?” “有多少学生？” „23, several read in the library in academy......” “有23名,有几位在学园的图书室里看书……” Listens to these, Froster Karta holds up the head, said loudly: „ The Theonia school occupies a land area of 150 mu, its area like small cities. In the academy has the size to construct more than 20, student more than 300, well-known scholar 15, included, wrote «Rhetoric Debate Study» Teacher Lysias, wore «Magna Graecia History» Teacher Ansitanos, invented the pulley mechanics, the lever mechanics and Teacher Marticoris of tonality undulatory theory and buoyancy theory, wrote «Human body Anatomy» and «Disease Analysis» Teacher Herpus, wrote «by Having Or Discussing Naturally» Teacher Gorgias, Teacher Philoxenus who invented the Musicanova lyric poetry...... except for these well-known scholars, personnel who our also more than 20 teachers, more than 100 named students and teachers served...... 听完这些,福斯特卡达昂起头,大声说道:“戴奥尼亚学院占地150亩,其面积就像一个小城镇。学园内有大小建筑20多栋,学生300多名,知名的学者15名,这其中包括,写了《修辞辩论学》的吕西亚斯老师,著有《大希腊史》的安西塔诺斯老师,发明了滑轮力学、杠杆力学、音调波动学说、浮力学说的马提科里斯老师,写出《人体解剖学》和《疾病初探》的赫尔普斯老师,写了《论存在或论自然》的高尔吉亚老师,发明新音乐抒情诗的费罗萨努斯老师……除了这些著名学者,我们还有20多位老师,一百多名为学生和老师服务的人员…… The curricula of our student were numerous, include the philosophy, rhetoric, law, math, astronomy, history, poetry, lifeform and music...... in addition we also to conduct the exercise of sports, even held some competitions and ensure our body and mind was harmonious, simultaneously exercised the will that we strove for victory. 我们学生的课程众多,包括了哲学、修辞学、法律、数学、天文学、历史、诗歌、生物、音乐……此外我们还要进行体育的锻炼,甚至举行一些比赛,来保证我们身心和谐,同时锻炼我们求胜的意志。 In order to the investment learn/study of wholeheartedly, we have our dwelling in the school......, right! In the Theonia academy also the big libraries, currently have the book collection approximately more than 5000 volume, not only there is a work of Greece, Persia, Egypt and Carthage...... for example the Carthage agricultural book, the Persia statute book, we have the special personnel to conduct the translation to these books...... ” 为了能够全身心的投入学习,我们在学院里都有自己的住处……哦,对了！戴奥尼亚学园内还有一个大图书馆,现在有藏书约5000多册,不但有希腊的著作,还有波斯、埃及、迦太基……比如迦太基的农书,波斯的法典,我们有专门的人员对这些书进行翻译……” Froster Karta's narration lets the dumbfoundedness that the youth listen, envies and envies on the face interweaves. Some people cannot bear say: „These that you said sound good, who knows real?” 福斯特卡达的叙述让青年们听的目瞪口呆,羡慕和嫉妒在脸上交织。有人忍不住说道:“你说的这些听起来不错,谁知道是不是真的？” Froster Karta sneers saying: „Theonia academy in being away from the west outside Athens thousand li (500 km), you can send people to confirm momentarily, you will discover I said is also far from describing the true strength of Theonia academy.” 福斯特卡达冷笑道:“戴奥尼亚学园就在距离雅典千里之外的西面,你们随时可以派人去证实,你们将会发现我所说的还远远没有描述出戴奥尼亚学园的真正实力。” „Material many and is little unimportant, we had a Teacher Plato to enable us to master the true knowledge to be enough.” present shields Poos to make noise to remind everyone. “物质的多与少并不重要,我们有一个柏拉图老师能让我们掌握真正的知识就足够了。”斯庇西普斯出声提醒大家。
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