MHAG :: Volume #12

#1185: The sharp debate on Athens ecclesia ( 2 )

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„I, although has not gone, but I see and studied the Kingdom of Theonia matter earnestly, I said is the facts!” Callistratus's assured saying. “我虽然没有去过,但是我认真的了解和研究过戴奥尼亚王国的事情,我所说的都是事实！”卡利斯特拉图斯笃定的说道。 „Theonia and your Athens are different, the territory is vast, must govern such a great nation, naturally must formulate the strict order, can guarantee that any decision and law obtain the full execution.” Callias II facial expression serious saying: „Benefits from the effort of Theonia officials, the Theonia citizens all have enough share place, the life is quite wealthy, three meals a day not only has enough bread to eat, but can also often eat the meat, to go to the tavern to drink, soaked the hot spring, look that to the arena to the bathing place the sports match and see a play to the theater, to the zoo looked the wild animal...... the life of Theonia citizens is colorful, they are also hospitable, I hope that the Athens people can go to the Theonia sacred kingdom to travel, certainly will receive them to receive warmly, is helpful to our two countries elimination misunderstanding , to promote the friendship.” “戴奥尼亚和你们雅典不同,领地过于辽阔,要治理这样一个大国,当然要制定严格的秩序,才能保证任何决策和法令得到充分的执行。”卡里阿斯神情郑重的说道:“正是得益于戴奥尼亚官员们的努力,戴奥尼亚公民们个个都拥有足够的份地,生活都比较富裕,一日三餐不但有足够的面包吃,还能经常吃肉、去酒馆喝酒、到浴场泡温泉、到竞技场看球赛、到剧场看戏、到动物园看野兽……戴奥尼亚公民们的生活丰富多彩,他们也非常好客,我希望雅典民众都能去戴奥尼亚神圣王国旅游,一定会受到他们热情的接待,有助于我们两国去除误解,增进友谊。” His words caused a Athens citizens low voice discussion. 他的话引起了雅典公民们一阵小声的议论。 At this time, the front of conference site stood a person, called loudly: „The Theonia citizens can have enough many lands, is not because you annexed Magna Graecia these city-state, plundered their wealth to cause! The Theonia citizen while is enjoying happily, may once think that loses the Magna Graecia people that the homeland, suffers hunger and cold!” 这时,会场的前排站起来一个人,高声喊道:“戴奥尼亚公民们能够拥有足够多的土地,难道不是因为你们吞并了大希腊的那些城邦,掠夺了他们的财富所导致的吗！戴奥尼亚公民在愉快享受的同时,可曾想到失去家园、饥寒交迫的大希腊民众！” Callistratus remembers the person who speech is the Isocrates student, nods. 卡利斯特拉图斯记得说话的这个人是伊索克拉底的学生,不禁点了点头。 Callias II's surprised asking: „The conclusion how you draw?” 卡里阿斯惊讶的问道:“你是怎么得出的这个结论？” „This is the fact, do not deny!” “这是事实,你不要否认！” Callias II laughs: „I once think that Athenians is in Greek city-state most full of wisdom and also most has the inquisition spirit, but I discover that now I made a mistake, because some people really in the likes and dislikes with heart, compile the rumor to deceive everyone carelessly! If you really want to know the fact, you should go to western Mediterranean,...... and other in the cities walks and looks to Crotone, Locri, Naples, Syracuse and Taranto, you will discover these cities these people in people majority original city-state, but before their situations actually compared has not joined Kingdom of Theonia, had very big improvement, the life was also wealthier-” 卡里阿斯哈哈一笑:“我曾经以为雅典人是希腊城邦中最有智慧、也最具探究精神的,但现在我发现我错了,因为有些人真的是凭着心中的好恶,就胡乱编造谣言来欺骗大家！如果你真的想知道事实,你应该去西地中海,到克罗托内、洛克里、那不勒斯、锡拉库扎、塔兰图姆……等城镇中去走一走、看一看,你会发现这些城镇中的民众大多数还是原来城邦的那些民众,但他们的处境却比未加入戴奥尼亚王国之前得到了很大的改善,生活也更加富裕-” Callistratus interposed again: „But you also said a moment ago, Crotone, Taranto and Locri...... these once were child nation in our Greece city-state lost their independence and freedom, was annexed by Theonia, becomes the ordinary cities of your kingdom subordinate, even our Athens citizen very familiar Thurii becomes the Kingdom of Theonia center!” 卡利斯特拉图斯再次插话道:“但你刚才也说了,克罗托内、塔兰图姆、洛克里……这些曾经是我们希腊城邦中的子邦都失去了他们的独立和自由,被戴奥尼亚吞并,成为了你们王国下属的一个普通城镇,甚至我们雅典公民非常熟悉的图里伊更是成为了戴奥尼亚王国的中心！” Callistratus when mentioning Thurii, aggravated the tone specially, causes the tumult of conference site, then he looks at Callias II, asking of question: „Now the Theonia army set foot on the Peloponnese land, you are not hugging does the story that lets Thurii, Crotone and other Magna Graecia city-state repeat and makes the entire Greece also turn into the goal of your Kingdom of Theonia territory finally?!” 卡利斯特拉图斯在提及图里伊时,特意加重了语气,引起会场的一阵骚动,然后他看着卡里阿斯,质疑的问道:“现在戴奥尼亚的军队踏上了伯罗奔尼撒的土地,难道你们不是抱着让图里伊、克罗托内等大希腊城邦的故事重演、使整个希腊最终也变成你们戴奥尼亚王国领地的目的？！” His words aroused on the conference site a bigger tumult, even there is a Athens citizen also to curse the exit|to speak. 他的话激起了会场上更大的骚动,甚至有雅典公民还大骂出口。 Callias II twitched facial skin, has not made the argument immediately, but standing of being without turning a hair in same place motionless, until the Athens citizens aware and restored peacefully, he sneers, said: „ Sir Callistratus, heard that you are a respected orator, but spoke should to respect the fact, unable to compile carelessly! 卡里阿斯抽搐了一下脸皮,没有立刻作出辩解,而是面不改色的站在原地一动不动,直到雅典公民们自觉的又恢复了安静,他才冷笑一声,说道:“卡利斯特拉图斯大人,听说你是一位受人尊敬的演说家,但是演讲是不是应该要尊重事实、不能胡乱编造！ If you know the Magna Graecia situation, you should clearly before the Theonia sacred kingdom has not been founded, various Magna Graecia city-state wars are unceasing , compared with today's Greece is not inferior, Thurii that you mentioned a moment ago was not invaded by Theonia, another Magna Graecia city-state Crotone that but was mentioned by you burns down, Theonia rebuilt this city on the Thurii ruins. 如果你了解大希腊的情况,你就应该清楚在戴奥尼亚神圣王国尚未建立之前,大希腊各城邦战争不断,和今天的希腊本土相比并不逊色,就连你刚才提及的图里伊也并非是被戴奥尼亚侵占,而是被你提及的另一个大希腊城邦克罗托内所焚毁,戴奥尼亚只是在图里伊的废墟上重建了这座城而已。 Theonia has not invaded any Magna Graecia city-state on own initiative, actually unceasing suffers the provocation and attacks of these city-state, for example Crotone launches the attack...... to overstep authority to advocate Dionysius to Theonia twice to lead the Syracuse allied armies, the Taranto of cross-ocean expedition south intent city-state...... focusing on Theonia defends at crucial moment of Syracuse allied armies to tear up the treaty of alliance in Theonia, sneak attacked the Theonia rear area...... also to have Carthage this alien race city-state after Theonia declared war, Syracuse unexpectedly with them colludes...... 戴奥尼亚从来没有主动去侵略任何一个大希腊城邦,却不断的遭受到这些城邦的挑衅和攻击,比如克罗托内两次向戴奥尼亚发起过进攻……僭主狄奥尼修斯率领锡拉库扎联军,跨海远征以戴奥尼亚为主的南意城邦……塔兰图姆在戴奥尼亚防御锡拉库扎联军的关键时候撕毁盟约,偷袭了戴奥尼亚的后方……还有迦太基这个异族城邦向戴奥尼亚宣战之后,锡拉库扎居然跟他们勾结…… Theonia through difficult fights, ultimately defeated these powerful enemies, but these Magna Graecia city-state join Kingdom of Theonia, overwhelming majorities are these city-state hold ecclesia, is made the choice that by this/should city-state people, because they do not want to face the war daily, at times feels alarmed and anxious, they need a powerful dependence, can keep out the wind to take shelter from the rain to them. 戴奥尼亚通过一次次的艰苦战斗,最终战胜了这些强敌,而这些大希腊城邦加入戴奥尼亚王国,绝大多数是这些城邦举行公民大会,由该城邦民众自己做出的选择,因为他们不想天天面临战争,时时担惊受怕,他们需要一个强大的依靠,能够给他们挡风避雨。 Then we saw, the Greek more than 10 years war is unceasing, but during this period in the Magna Graecia territory actually throughout is peaceful and stable, the people's lives are wealthy. Facts showed that choice that the Magna Graecia people made initially not wrong! ” 接下来我们都看到了,希腊本土这10多年来战争不断,但在这期间大希腊的领地内却始终是和平安宁,民众生活富裕。事实证明,大希腊民众当初做出的选择没有错！” Callias II this last few words saying forcefully, in the conference site suddenly becomes more silent. 卡里阿斯这最后一句话说得铿锵有力,会场内突然变得更加寂静。 „-” Callistratus must interpose. “呃-”卡利斯特拉图斯又要插话。 Callias II this time study was clever, then said rapidly: „ Naturally Magna Graecia is Magna Graecia, Greece is Greece, the situation is completely different. Theonia sends the army to Peloponnese, does not have other meaning, only has two goals. 卡里阿斯这次学乖了,迅速接着说道:“当然大希腊是大希腊,希腊本土是希腊本土,情况完全不同。戴奥尼亚派军队到伯罗奔尼撒,没有别的意思,只有两个目的。 First I said a moment ago, to fulfill the treaty of alliance , helping Thebes, defeats continually makes Sparta of war in Greece ; Second is to help Messenians. I remember that your Athens benevolent multiple helped be subject to Messenians that the Sparta person enslaves, but our kings also with going into exile in Reyes's Messenians have made the commitment, therefore taking this time opportunity, must let is Greeks Messenians regains similarly is free and independent. 第一是刚才我说的,为了履行盟约,帮助底比斯,击败在希腊本土不断制造战争的斯巴达;第二就是帮助美塞尼亚人。我记得你们雅典曾经仁慈的多次帮助过备受斯巴达人奴役的美塞尼亚人,而我们的国王也曾经同流亡到廷达瑞斯的美塞尼亚人做出过承诺,所以借着这次的机会,要让同样是希腊人的美塞尼亚人重新获得自由和独立。 I can pledge to the god, when defeated Sparta, the Theonia army rapid withdrawing kingdom, will not seize the Greek tiny bit land! ” 我可以向神祗发誓,等到击败了斯巴达,戴奥尼亚军队会迅速的撤回王国,绝不占领希腊本土一分一毫的土地！” Callias II both hands even lift/move, the palm to the day, said solemn. 卡里阿斯双手平举,手心向天,神情肃穆的说完。 Many Athens citizens changed countenance. 不少雅典公民动容了。 Suddenly the sound resounds: „ The Theonia envoy was pledging to the god, which god can tell us is? 突然有一个声音响起:“戴奥尼亚使者在向神祗发誓,能告诉我们是哪一位神祗吗？ Callias II noticed that the conference site front stands a old man, he is silver-haired, because the facial features actually dark seem a little gloomy. 卡里阿斯看到会场前方站起来一位老者,他白发苍苍,面容却因为过于黝黑而显得有点阴森。 He hesitant, then said confidently: „Deity Hades!” 他犹豫了一下,然后坦然说道:“天神哈迪斯！” „I heard that Theonia presents the patron for your kingdom Hades, Hades that you believe is of Hades Greek 12 Lord God?” That person continues to ask. “我听说戴奥尼亚将哈迪斯奉为你们王国的保护神,你们信奉的哈迪斯是希腊十二主神之一的哈迪斯吗？”那人继续问道。 „Naturally yes.” Callias II's discrete saying: „Is only Theonia is somewhat different from the Greek people regarding the understanding of Hades.” “当然是。”卡里阿斯谨慎的说道:“只是戴奥尼亚对于冥王哈迪斯的认识和希腊本土民众有些不同而已。” That person has not closely examined what difference, but is serious saying: „ Our Greeks believes, Hades is running the death, is unapproachable. The general public do not even dare to say its, but replaces Eithy colored glaze with ‚that male god’ 那人没有追问有什么不同,而是神情严肃的说道:“我们希腊人认为,哈迪斯掌管着死亡,不可接近。普通民众甚至都不敢直呼其名,而用‘那个男神’代替埃西琉斯 Hades in Greece does not have the temple, only does not have the idol, not to have the seal cutting name, actually with the Hades closely related Egyptian colored glaze Heath of temple in our Greece Attica area, there has a being too deep to see the bottom cavern, is the Greeks recognized hell entrance, for this reason our Greeks established a secret ceremony, worships Hades, almost Greek all celebrities had attended this ceremony- ” 在希腊本土上哈迪斯没有神庙,唯一的一座没有神像、没有篆刻名字、却与哈迪斯密切相关的神庙在我们希腊阿提卡地区的埃琉西斯,那里有一个深不见底的洞穴,是希腊人公认的地狱入口,为此我们希腊人建立了一个秘密的仪式,来祭拜哈迪斯,几乎希腊本土所有的名人都曾经参加过这个仪式-” „Eleusinian Mysteries, I know.” “埃琉西斯密仪,我知道。” „No, you do not know! Your Theonian does not know!” That person roared: „ Egyptian colored glaze Heath stems from Athens, obtains connivance of Hades, thus broadly by the awe and veneration of Greek People, it is the entire Greece the world's most legitimate, gives to the Hades sacrificial offering! “不,你不知道！你们戴奥尼亚人根本不知道！”那人咆哮起来:“埃琉西斯起源于雅典,得到哈迪斯的默许,因而广受希腊民众的敬畏和尊崇,它才是整个希腊世界最正统的、献给哈迪斯的祭祀！ But your Theonian actually constructs the Hades idol and temple wantonly, not only has not awed to Hades, even also compiles the Hades descendant's lie to deceive people- ” 而你们戴奥尼亚人却大肆建造哈迪斯的神像和神庙,不但没有对哈迪斯有所敬畏,甚至还编造哈迪斯后裔的谎言来欺骗民众-” „Be quiet!” Callias II bellows, must get angry to open, gazes at fixedly that person: „ Our great King Davos are the Hades descendant's matter is the consensus of all Kingdom of Theonia people! He becomes the king in western Mediterranean most strong country from a mercenary in just 30 years, turns into from a small alliance Theonia includes the entire west Mediterranean civilization city-state powerful kingdom, because received the Hades god to open and bless, even showed the miracle in several at crucial moment Hades, the help kingdom got through the difficult time, these were witnessed by tens of thousands of Kingdom People, therefore the Theonia sacred kingdom citizens will present Hades willingly are the kingdom patrons, and became the Hades devout follower! “住嘴！”卡里阿斯大吼一声,须发怒张,瞪视那人:“我们伟大的戴弗斯国王是哈迪斯后裔的事是全体戴奥尼亚王国民众的共识！在短短30年的时间内他从一个雇佣兵成为西地中海最强大国家的国王,将戴奥尼亚从一个小小的联盟变成囊括整个西地中海文明城邦的强大王国,正是因为受到了哈迪斯的神启和庇佑,在几次关键时候哈迪斯甚至展现神迹,帮助王国渡过难关,这些都被成千上万的王国民众亲眼目睹,因此戴奥尼亚神圣王国公民才会心甘情愿的奉哈迪斯为王国保护神,并且成为哈迪斯虔诚的信徒！ Hades is a benevolent deity, he does not care about the different region's Greek People's his different view to the different sacrificial offering ways that adopts, but if some people slandered blatantly his god child, insulted the Theonia people to the Hades devout belief, then the Theonia several million Hades devout followers will not fear difficult, will not fear the life and death, certainly to make the desecrater pay the serious price! ” 哈迪斯是一位仁慈的天神,他并不在意不同地域的希腊民众对他的不同看法而采取的不同的祭祀方式,但如果有人公然诋毁他的神子,侮辱戴奥尼亚民众对哈迪斯虔诚的信仰,那么戴奥尼亚几百万哈迪斯的虔诚信徒将不怕艰难、不惧生死、一定会让亵渎者付出惨重的代价！” Under forcing of Callias II dignified imposing manner, that person is a little unexpectedly timid, subconscious in the future will draw back, forgot to sit the lithical steps quite the same as behind, if were not side the person helps, nearly tumbled. 在卡里阿斯威严气势的逼迫下,那人竟然有点胆怯,下意识的往后退,浑然忘了身后坐着石质阶梯,如果不是旁边人帮助,险些跌倒。 This person of Egyptian colored glaze Heath secret Yi holds torch and the Theonia envoy has a similar name- Culley Lancet, in the Sparta signature „Culley Lancet peace treaty” with his name name, obviously he in Greek reputation prominent. 这人正是埃琉西斯秘议的持炬者、和戴奥尼亚使者有着一个相似的名字-卡利阿斯,之前在斯巴达签署的“卡利阿斯和约”就是用他的名字命名,可见他在希腊本土的名声有多显赫。 But at this moment his shoddy performance makes Callistratus frown: Hades, this is good one may supply the topic of attack, what a pity Culley Lancet pounded to the lane! When the Sparta signing peace treaty, his performance is also unsatisfactory, if we had known should not hope to him. 但此刻他的拙劣表现让卡利斯特拉图斯皱起眉头:哈迪斯,这是多好的一个可供抨击的话题,可惜卡利阿斯给弄砸了！在斯巴达签订和约时,他的表现也不佳,早知道就不该对他有所期盼。
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