MHAG :: Volume #11

#1066: About immigrant's argument

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Moreover, making the foreigner who these feel discontented gather in the same place and group completes the army, guards in the border that the danger grows thickly, cannot see the hope for a long time, perhaps will multiply a bigger incident. Previous generation Roman Empire can make the soldiers serve for a long time for over 20 years, that is soldier majority that because they recruit is the Rome citizen. 而且,让这些心怀不满的外邦人集合在一起、组建成军队,驻守在危险丛生的边境,又长期看不到希望,恐怕会滋生更大的事端。前世罗马帝国之所以能够让士兵们长期服役20年以上,那是因为他们所招募的士兵大部分是罗马公民。 Perhaps in the present stage, the age limit that Siprus gives is quite appropriate...... Davos is tapping the chairback with the finger, silently thinking. 或许在现阶段,西普洛斯给出的这个年限才是比较合适的……戴弗斯用手指轻敲着椅背,默默想着。 Different from self-poise of Davos, the ministers feels to the proposal that Siprus put forward somewhat astonishedly. 不同于戴弗斯的镇定自若,大臣们都对西普洛斯提出的建议感到有些惊异。 Raphias first asked: „Sir Siprus, your meaning implemented 20 years of Immigration Law commands to cancel us, can become kingdom citizen in the border service ’ the new law replace with this ‚?!” 拉斐亚斯首先发问:“西普洛斯大人,你的意思是将我们实行了20年的移民法令取消,用这个‘必须在边境服役才能成为王国公民’的新法令来代替？！” „Yes, Sir Raphias.” Siprus calm reply: „If new Immigration Law made the promulgation, old Immigration Law made still to implement, then outside overwhelming majorities the nation freemen will definitely choose the old law, but is not willing to serve, after all it was relatively relaxed and is easy to achieve, then the promulgation of this new law did not have the significance.” “是的,拉斐亚斯大人。”西普洛斯冷静的回答道:“如果新的移民法令颁布,旧的移民法令还在实行,那么绝大多数外邦自由民肯定还是会选择旧的法令,而不愿意去服役,毕竟它相对轻松、较容易达成,那么这新法令的颁布就没有意义了。” „ But if abolished the old law, implements the new law that you said that is willing to join the freemen in kingdom to run to serve, then the labor force definitely big reduction in kingdom...... we know, after the Carthage war, the land of kingdom was more than doubled, now the surplus many lands have not assigned, wants massive labor forces urgently needed, at this time suddenly changed the original law, definitely will seriously affect the development to kingdom! “但是如果废除了旧法令,实行你所说的这个新法令,愿意加入王国的自由民都跑去服役,那么王国内的劳力必然会大大的减少……我们都知道,与迦太基的战争之后,王国的土地增加了一倍多,现在还剩余不少的土地未分配出去,急需要大量的劳力,这时突然改变原来的法令,必然会严重影响到王国的发展！ Let alone, must recruit inevitably is the young and vigorous freeman who joins the army, the children who then regarding these is older, has what to do the freeman of professional skill or hasn't married the woman, loses the parents? Were they diligently also again hopeless to become the Theonia citizen forever? We must give up since the kingdom has been founded, after the long-term effort in the faith in the entire Mediterranean Greece freemen gradually forming- ” Burkes deeply inspires, the clear and resonant voice said: „Theonia is a fair universal love kingdom, anybody what family background and what race, everybody, so long as he yearns for this country, and makes the effort, can become the citizen in this country!” 更何况,要招募从军的必然是年轻力壮的自由民,那么对于那些年纪稍大一些、拥有一技之长的自由民或者未结婚的妇女、丧失父母的孩子们怎么办？难道他们再怎么努力也永远都无望成为戴奥尼亚公民了吗？难道我们要放弃自王国建立以来、经过长期的努力才在整个地中海希腊自由民中逐渐形成的一个信念-”布尔科斯深吸了口气,朗声说道:“戴奥尼亚是一个公平博爱的王国,任何人不论是什么出身、什么种族、无论是男女老少,只要他向往这个国家,并且为之付出努力,就能够成为这个国家的公民！” Loud and clear that the Burkes final these words saying, Davos listened somewhat to change countenance, naturally also caused a ministers' discussion. 布尔科斯最后的这几句话说的掷地有声,就连戴弗斯听了都有些动容,当然也引起了大臣们的一阵议论。 Siprus has not considered the issue in this aspect obviously, thus falls into during the thinking, cannot respond immediately. 西普洛斯显然没有考虑到这方面的问题,从而陷入思索之中,未能马上做出回应。 At this time, Uquina Lees said: „Sir Burkes, you said a moment ago very well. However I want to ask whether Athens does have the Athens citizen?” 这时,阿塔里斯说道:“布尔科斯大人,你刚才说得很好。但是我想请问,雅典是否只有雅典公民？” Burkes feels a little bewildered about this unrelated question, but is the earnest reply: „Of course not, Athens had many foreigners, the population even surpassed the Athens citizen.” 布尔科斯对这个不相干的问话感到有点莫名其妙,但还是认真的回答:“当然不是,雅典有很多的外邦人,人数甚至超过了雅典的公民。” „Then these freemen long do anticipate to become the Athens citizen in Athens?” Androlis also asked. “那么这些自由民长期待在雅典是为了成为雅典公民吗？”安塔奥里斯紧接着又问。 This time, meaning of Burkes many a little clear Androlis, but he replies this facts that everyone knows honestly: „Of course not, Athens does not allow the outsider to become the citizen. Actually not only Athens, Thebes, Corinth, Argos and Sparta...... almost all Greek city-state easily will not recruit the outcomer to become the city-state citizen, but this is also our Theonia can every year attract massive east Mediterranean Greek freemen to come here reason.” 这一次,布尔科斯多少有点明白安塔奥里斯的意思了,但他还是坦诚的回答这个众所周知的事实:“当然不是,雅典不允许外来人成为公民。其实不光雅典,底比斯、科林斯、阿哥斯、斯巴达……几乎所有的希腊城邦都不会轻易吸收外来者成为城邦公民,但这也是我们戴奥尼亚能够每年吸引大量东地中海的希腊自由民前来这里的原因。” „But in Athens, in Corinth, in Argos and in Thebes, even still has lots of freemen in Sparta, they treat in these city-state, is only for a better survival, even if does not have any political rights and safety cannot obtain the absolute safeguard( Greek city-state to have nothing special protect the law of freeman), can only be engaged in city-state various humble work, when is having the war must be recruited, holds the post of the auxiliary or the sailor, the environment of survival is bad!” “但是在雅典、在科林斯、在阿哥斯、在底比斯,甚至在斯巴达依然存在着大量的自由民,他们之所以待在这些城邦,只是为了更好的生存,哪怕没有任何政治权利、生命安全也得不到绝对的保障(希腊城邦没有任何专门保护自由民的法律),只能从事城邦内各种低贱的工作,甚至在发生战争时还必须被征召,担任辅助兵或者水手,生存的环境非常糟糕！” The Androlis facial expression does intentionally heavily sighed woefully, later the volume rose, self-confident saying: „ Freeman but who lives in our kingdom? Only formulates to safeguard their some rights the laws to have several specially, and has revised repeatedly! They can quite easy farming as a tenant arrive at the public land of kingdom, the tax rate of pays is not very high. Public officials who they can also hold the post of the kingdom lowest level, although in our opinion humble, but still had a big influence regarding the general public. Although in the war, we also has to recruit them, but would hardly allow them directly to participate in the fight, once the accidental death, the family member will also obtain big comforts and aids a bereaved family...... 安塔奥里斯神情故作沉重的哀叹了一声,随后音量就升了起来,自信的说道:“但是在我们王国里生活的自由民呢？光是专门制定保障他们一些权利的法令就有好几条,并且修改过多次！他们能够比较容易的租种到王国的公共土地,所缴纳的税率也不是很高。他们还可以担任王国最底层的公职人员,在我们看来虽然低贱,但对于普通民众来说仍然是有不小的影响力。虽然在战争中,我们也有征召他们,但几乎不会让他们直接参与战斗,而且一旦意外死亡,家人还会获得不小的抚恤…… Compared with right that although, obtains with the citizens, very big disparity, but compared with Greek these freemen, their life is good. Let alone Kingdom of Theonia is more powerful, in the territory is peaceful and stable, not like east these Greek city-state, because is small and weak, frequently encounters the war to cause the homeland to be destroyed. Therefore even lifted the old Immigration Law command, causing many foreigners unable to become the Theonia citizen, I think that they will still come here to settle down, because Kingdom of Theonia truly is the place that most suitable they to survive! ” 虽然,和公民们所获得的权利相比,还有很大的差距,但和希腊本土的那些自由民相比,他们的生活已经非常的好了。更何况戴奥尼亚王国强大繁荣,领地内和平安宁,不像东边的那些希腊城邦因为弱小,经常遭遇战争而导致家园被毁。所以即使取消了旧的移民法令,导致很多外邦人无法成为戴奥利亚公民,我认为他们仍旧会前来这里定居,因为戴奥尼亚王国确实是最适合他们生存的地方！” „Sir Androlis said right!” After rotating president Hemon( west the Mediterranean war ended the third year, by influence that Cornelius died of illness, almost 70-year-old Vespa to Davos had requested on own initiative resigns from the duty of rotating president, and pleaded no longer to participate in the council conference, must care for the aged at home well. Davos agreed his request, and proposed made council elect Hemon to replace his duty) to continue: „ Before Theonia was needs a large number of recent people to come the rapid enrichment national strength, dealt with the surrounding dangerous environment, therefore gave outside the treatment of nation freeman to be good, a moment ago just like your majesty you said that with the change of time and situation, the old law must meet the new need, should also change. “安塔奥里斯大人说得没错！”轮值主席赫蒙(西地中海战争结束后的第三年,受科尔内鲁斯病逝的影响,已经快70岁高龄的韦斯巴主动向戴弗斯请求辞去轮值主席的职务,并恳求不再参与元老院会议,要在家好好养老。戴弗斯同意了他的请求,并提议让元老院推选赫蒙接替了他的职务)接过话头:“以前戴奥尼亚是需要大量新进人口来迅速充实国力,应对周围险恶的环境,所以给予外邦自由民的待遇非常好,但是正如陛下您刚才所说的,随着时间和局势的变化,旧的法令要适应新的需要,也应该随之而改变。 Now, the kingdom is powerful, any city-state and country not only does not dare to initiate the challenge to us, instead will seek with us on own initiative forms an alliance. Under the peripheral environment of such relative security, we whether really also needs such anxiously outside the nation freemen these transforms into the kingdom citizens?! Now in the kingdom truly also many vacant lands, except for the freeman who considering these wants to become the kingdom citizens, we cannot focus in the person on one's own side! Now the population of kingdom has 3 million, how many people every year does the grown citizen have? ” 如今,王国实力强大,任何城邦和国家不但不敢向我们发起挑战,反而会主动寻求和我们结盟。在这样相对安全的周边环境之下,我们是否真的还需要这么急切的将这些外邦自由民转变为王国公民吗？！现在王国内确实还有很多空置的土地,除了考虑那些想要成为王国公民的自由民,难道我们不能将目光放在自己人身上吗！现在王国的人口有300万,每年成年的公民有多少人？” Hemon is hoodwinking the question that Metoticles said to the new educational administration minister, why asked him, but didn't ask household register minister Raphai Ersi? Because Hemon thinks: Theonia establishes for 20 years later, the children of almost all citizens must enter various city schools to study, therefore runs the educational administration ministers in all schools to have the right to speak. 赫蒙是对着新任的教务大臣蒙门托提克埃尔斯说出的这句问话,为什么问他而不去问户籍大臣拉斐尔斯？因为赫蒙认为:在戴奥尼亚建立20年之后,几乎所有公民的孩子都要进入各城市学校学习,因此掌管着所有学校的教务大臣应该对此更有发言权。 However Metoticles said: „I do not know that every year the kingdom has many citizens to grow up, because many students in had also graduated from the school underage, I can only tell the population that you graduated last year am 23,571 people.” 然而门托提克埃尔斯却说道:“我不知道每年王国有多少公民成年,因为不少学生在还未成年就已经从学校毕业了,我只能告诉你去年毕业的人数是23,571人。” Raphias interposed: „Every year the kingdom grown citizens are about about 20,000 people, but the population was rising for these years sharply, this is because after on a war, the kingdom merged into several areas, had more population......” 拉斐亚斯插话道:“每年王国成年的公民大约是2万人左右,但这几年人数在急剧上升,这是因为上一场战争之后,王国并入了好几个地区,拥有了更多人口……” Hemon expressed the gratitude to two people, then also asked the household register minister: „Does Sir Raphias, as far as you know, how many in kingdom's all citizen families have the two boy above families to have?” 赫蒙向两人表达了谢意,接着又问户籍部长:“拉斐亚斯大人,据你所知,王国的所有公民家庭中拥有两个男孩以上的家庭有多少呢？” This issue somewhat perplexed Raphias, he pondered some little time, indefinite saying: „Perhaps at least over 70%, as a result of blessing of Hades, our kingdom medical skill level is in addition high, with your majesty great support, Sir Herpus is leading the doctors put in very big energy in the birth and baby treatment, made very big progress, enabling the pregnant woman childbirth the success ratio to have been greatly improved, mortality rate after the babies born also greatly reduced, currently most families have over two children, moreover to the old citizen, almost each family had the smooth grown child......” Raphias at this point, but also turned around to express gratitude to the medical minister Herpus nod. 这个问题倒有些难住拉斐亚斯了,他思考了好一会儿,才不确定的说道:“恐怕至少有七成以上吧,由于哈迪斯的庇佑,加上我们王国医术水平高,在陛下的大力支持下,赫尔普斯大人带领着医生们在生育和幼儿治疗方面投入了很大的精力,取得了非常大的进展,使得孕妇分娩的成功率有很大提高,婴儿出生后的死亡率也大大减少,现在绝大多数家庭都有两个以上的孩子,而且对老公民而言,几乎家家都有顺利成年的孩子……”拉斐亚斯说到这里,还转身向医务大臣赫尔普斯点头表示感谢。 „, How many will the kingdom receive the official citizen who is transferred every year by outside nation freemen?” Hemon also asked. “那么,王国每年又会接收多少由外邦自由民转成的正式公民呢？”赫蒙又问道。 „This number is indefinite, several years before last war, is few as a result of the surplus lands, according to your majesty and council request, Ministry of Agriculture and our household register section intends to control, in addition east the Mediterranean situation is stable, least one year of more than 2000 people......, but these years kingdom urgently needed labor force, the Greek war got stronger and stronger, therefore every year at least over 10,000 people......” “这个数目可不确定,在上一场战争之前的几年,由于剩余的土地很少,按照陛下和元老院的要求,农务部和我们户籍部有意控制,再加上东地中海局势稳定,最少的一年只有2000多人……而这几年王国急需劳力,希腊本土的战争又越演越烈,所以每年至少1万人以上……” „, You heard, the kingdom every year about 20,000 grown citizens, this quantity and traditional Greek strong nation citizens was almost the same, although the household register section also assigned the land to them for these years, but this was only the temporary measure, for more rapid occupied these vacant lands. But in fact a kingdom special law request cannot assign the land to the grown citizens, the idea of because according to us being familiar with, they will inherit the property that their fathers leave behind in the future. “诸位,你们都听到了吧,王国每年有2万名左右的成年公民,这个数量和一个传统的希腊强邦的公民人数相差无几,虽然这几年户籍部也给他们分配土地,但这只是临时措施,是为了更为迅速的占据那些空置的土地。而事实上王国并没有一个专门的法令要求必须要给成年公民们分配土地,因为按照我们习惯的想法,将来他们都会继承他们父亲遗留下来的财产。 But currently the situation in kingdom is most citizens has several sons, according to ‚heritage by original owner according to own wish free assignment’ the kingdom law, most citizens will perhaps choose oneself property divide equally to several children, the land area that then each child has will even likely be lower than the initial kingdom to apportion the share place of citizens. These were born, the child who in the kingdom grows up in the kingdom, has kingdom's education since childhood, observes the law of kingdom, all of familiar kingdom, they deeply love with loyally in the kingdom, however after they become the citizen, obtains the official citizen who is less than outside these nation freemen to transform are many! Did you say fairly this?! ” 但现在王国的情况是大部分的公民都有好几个儿子,根据‘遗产由原拥有者按照自身意愿自由分配’的王国法令,大部分公民恐怕都会选择将自己的财产均分给几个孩子,那么每个孩子拥有的土地面积甚至可能会低于最初王国分给公民们的份地。这些在王国出生、在王国长大的孩子,从小就接受王国的教育,遵守王国的法律,熟悉王国的一切,他们热爱和忠诚于王国,然而他们成为公民后所得到的还不及这些外邦自由民转变的正式公民多！诸位,你们说这公平吗？！”
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