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#97: Current political situation ( 3 )

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Chapter 97 第97章 Current political situation ( 3 ) 时局(三) „If so lets loose, bang, Wu Dynasty and this country...... did not have.” “若然放开,砰的一下,武朝、这个国家……就都没了。” In the room, Ning Yi made „bang” hand gesture, Li Pin frowned: „How can so?” 房间里,宁毅做了个“砰”的手势,李频皱起眉头:“岂会如此？” Ning Yi silent a while: „Brother Li may think, the Confucianist develops these for several thousand years, why can repeat the merchant by the view of advantage?” 宁毅沉默了一会儿:“李兄可有想过,儒家发展这数千年来,为何要一直重复商人逐利的说法吗？” „Sage advocates morality and conduct, Against selfish and profit-seeking behavior, how could it not be naturally?” “圣人提倡德行,反对自私逐利行径,岂非理所当然么？” „Part is this right.” Ning Yi nods, „ may another part, lie in merchant studies does not help the rule, three characters: It is not good to manage. A person for a lifetime, you farm in the mountain village, no, according to for generations method has gone, got married and gives birth, dies buried in the mountain. But some day you entered the county city, sees colorfully these, some day you entered the provincial capital, sees to make you unable to respond thing that seemed you to see that clothes, you wanted, which you found the way...... to be greedy...... “一部分是这样没错。”宁毅点点头,“可另一部分,在于商贾之学不利于统治,三个字:不好管。一个人一辈子,你在山村之中种田,没什么,按照祖祖辈辈的方法去过,成亲、生子,死了葬在山里。可有一天你进了县城,看见那些花花绿绿的,又有一天你进了省城,看见更多让你反应不过来的东西,就好像你看见了那件衣服,你想要,你就去想办法……贪婪哪…… Ning Yi smiled: „Naturally in most situations you will work to gain that to buy the money of clothes honestly, but once you had the desire, has the loopholes you to would exploiting. Brother Li, you thought that actually is one puts one's nose to the grindstone the overly cautious and prudent farmer quite to manage for a lifetime, in the heart did already have the desire person quite to manage? our Dynasty tens of millions people, Brother Li, the our Dynasty rule of law, really can provide lodging/manage how many have? How many people they have, is actually such law-abiding for a lifetime? The business proceeds to develop again one step, how many desires can come?” 宁毅笑了笑:“当然大部分情况下你会老老实实打工赚那买衣服的钱,可一旦你有了欲望,有空子你就总会去钻的。李兄,你觉得到底是一个面朝黄土背朝天一辈子老实巴交的农民好管,还是一个心中已经有了欲望的人好管？我朝数千万子民,李兄,我朝的法治,真能管住的有多少？他们有多少人,其实就是这样安安分分过一辈子的？商业再往前发展一步,要多出多少欲望来？” „This is actually a very interesting system. From all of various schools of thought that then had the debate of rule of law and virtuous rule, the rule of law said that should be able to be in the upper hand, but until now, Qin, man (Han), the three countries, two Jin's, Southern and Northern Dynasties, Sui and Tang...... came again slowly, you will discover a matter: Can the beforehand rule of law, how many people provide lodging/manage? Heh...... actually depends voluntarily, the common social practice is simple and honorable, in the small village oneself had one set of custom became, if present Jiangning will put Qin Dynasty, Brother Li, you felt, in that time regulation and method, how long can provide lodging/manage peacefully here? Perhaps Qin Dynasty is very severe, but Jiangning...... the smart person were too many, the loopholes that may exploit were also too many......” “这其实是一个很有趣的系统。自诸子百家开始,便有法治与德治之辩,法治之说应该能占上风,可一直以来,秦、汉、三国、两晋、南北朝、隋、唐……再慢慢过来,你就会发现一件事:以前的法治,能管住多少人？呵……其实多数靠自觉,民风淳朴啊,小乡村里自己有一套规矩就成了,若将现在的江宁放去秦朝,李兄,你觉得,以那时的律法和手段,能太太平平管住这里多久？也许秦朝很严苛,可江宁……聪明人太多了,可钻的空子也太多了……” „Confucianist is a very great thing, several thousand years of development, Brother Li, the advantage of merchant, until Wu Dynasty some people will not find that if let loose merchant, benefit that comes in waves, definitely is not some people knows today. The ceramic Mister Zhū example was placed there. But since why the millenniums, the whole world has all damped the business, its in-depth reason, they saw the consequence. The rule of law ability...... cannot follow.” “儒家是个很伟大的东西,数千年的发展,李兄,商人的好处,不是直到武朝才会有人发现的,若放开了商贾,那滚滚而来的利益,肯定也不是今天才有人知道。陶朱公的例子都摆在那里了。可为何千年以来,举世皆抑商,其深层理由,他们看见了后果。法治能力……跟不上。” „our Dynasty is also so, ideology.” Ning Yi selected the forehead, „the world more has the desire, the behavior is unpredictable, more was seduced, by advantage, but toward, has the opening on the drill. our Dynasty does not damp the business, has its advantage, but civil official corrupt Officer money fears death, the people are poor and weak, the officers muddle along, knows is not some consequences that this benefit causes? Actually...... at least must occupy part of reasons.” “我朝也是如此,意识形态。”宁毅点了点脑门,“世人越有欲望,行为越是难测,越受诱惑,越是逐利而往,有空子就钻。我朝不抑商,有其好处,可文官贪钱武官怕死,民众贫弱,官兵得过且过,焉知不是这甜头带来的些许后果？其实……至少也要占一部分原因吧。” Li Pin stares, is gawking there, at this time „ideology” the meaning of this glossary had no thoughts to ask, the part that but can understand, made him shock sufficiently, crosses long time he just to say well: „Liheng this word...... however finger/refers of that merchant by studying of advantage, is my Wu Dynasty to decline (over time) chief criminal?” 李频瞪了眼睛,在那儿愣着,此时就连“意识形态”这种词汇的意思都没什么心思去问了,只是能够听懂的部分,就足以让他震撼,过得好半晌他方才说道:“立恒此言……可是指那商人逐利之学,才是我武朝积弱的罪魁祸首？” „No.” Ning Yi drinks tea, „is not this, this was a development, the our Dynasty background had, the rule of law regulation in the merchant developing process also with the development, this is being the process of promote each other, can only say, the lots cannot coordinate with, this was very troublesome, too complex...... must solve now the Wu Dynasty problem, is staring at the merchant and currency these again, hopes that the national involvement economy, doubled what annual income multiplies several, the strong country and rich people then solves all problems, this was impossible. Cannot get to know the benefits in the business dies to stare at its one, develops again, the entire balance will only incline, this was too abnormal, sooner or later has an accident......” “没有。”宁毅喝了口茶,“绝不是这样,这是一种发展,我朝底蕴有了,法治规条在商人发展过程中也在跟着发展,这本身是互相促进的过程,只能说,很多东西没能配合着跟上来,这就很麻烦,太复杂……要解决如今武朝的问题,再盯着商人、货币这些,希望国家介入经济,把什么岁入翻一番翻几番,国富民强然后解决所有问题,这个不可能。总不能在商业上尝到了甜头就死盯它一个,再发展下去,整个平衡只会更加倾斜,这太畸形了,迟早出事的……” Ning Yi shakes the head, Li Pin thought in that side for a long time: „, Liheng felt, if seeks his pass/test key/opening, where can pay great attention to?” 宁毅摇摇头,李频在那边想了好久:“那么,立恒觉得若要寻其关窍,应当注重哪里呢？” „If really practical, I do not know, but if only treats as the joke, irresponsible, Heh......” Ning Yi smiles, „why not to start from the Confucianist?” “若真要实干,我不知道,可若只当做玩笑,不负责任的话,呵……”宁毅笑笑,“何不从儒家入手呢？” „Is it possible that does Confucianist...... Liheng refer to present superfluous personnel excess living?” Li Pin thinks to smile, „to chat in the past, has said that the our Dynasty issue root, possibly lay in this scholar officials is really many, was a major problem, but...... this matter, if solved, only feared that was more difficult than the trading......” “儒家……立恒莫非是指如今的冗员冗生？”李频想想笑起来,“以往常与人聊,也有说过,我朝的问题根源,可能就在于这学子官员真是太多了,是个大问题,不过……此事若要解决,只怕比商事更难……” „If I said that...... is not too many, but were too few?” “若我说……不是太多,而是太少了呢？” „Ah?” “啊？” Li Pin blinks, is mystified. Ning Yi turned head to hint a direction of classroom. 李频眨眨眼睛,一脸迷惑。宁毅扭头示意了一下课室的方向。 „Brother Li felt, these scholars study, what in the future can do?” “李兄觉得,那些学子读了书,将来可以干些什么？” „In the Liheng teaching method, not only teaches its knowledge, teaches him to see the law of matter and resolution, counts the star to come to be side respected official, when does not have the issue.” “以立恒的教法,不光教其学识,也教其见事、决断之法,其中数名将来为一方良吏,当无问题。” Li Pin said earnestly, Ning Yi sits there cannot bear smile, then drinks tea, claps. The Li Pin doubts said: „Does not know that Liheng thinks, what matter they can make?” 李频说得认真,宁毅坐在那儿忍不住笑出来,然后喝了口茶,拍拍手。李频疑惑道:“不知立恒所想,他们能做何事？” „In this, that Su Wenyi can be a lesser official probably, his result is not good, but character most bracelet, is good with the person communication human relations, others...... I actually regard Storekeeper or the partner them teach, naturally, studies, since there is an opportunity to be an official, may go to try greatly, after all being an official benefits good......” “这里面,那苏文义大概可以当个小官,他成绩不好,但性格最为跳脱,与人来往交际不错,其余的人……我其实将他们当成掌柜或者伙计来教的,当然,读了书,既然有机会当官,也大可前去试试,毕竟当官福利好……” Ning Yi breaks off the finger to calculate: „Salary, wealth millet and duty money, spring winter clothing, from person clothes grain and tea liquor, kitchen material, firewood coal and livestock feed, this this time of the month(year), once is an official, the basic necessities of life, the family wrapped from the expenses all country of person, the country will also issue the fertile farmland number to lean. The work is relaxed, punishment on scholar-official, does not punish with the word, three years rub kan not to have the blunder to be promoted, who does not want to be an official......” 宁毅掰着指头算:“正俸、禄粟、职钱,春冬服、从人衣粮、茶酒,厨料、薪炭、牲畜饲料,这年月一旦当官,衣食住行,家眷从人的开销全都国家包了,国家还会发给良田数倾。工作轻松,刑不上士大夫,不以言治罪,三年一磨磡无大错便可升迁,谁不想当官呢……” Li Pin silent for a long time: „Liheng said unexpectedly, such student, can only , when Storekeeper?” 李频沉默半晌:“立恒竟说,此等学生,只能当掌柜？” „Not just can work as, but suits works as. Their characters simple-hearted were mostly honest, is an official very difficultly. The principle of being officers, sizes up the situation communicates importantly, if capable of having the aspiration again in addition, for can only then government official respected official. The Dexin knowledge deals with the onset and retreat, has the ability aspiration, has the ability of balance discernment, may for respected official, they not be mostly good, these matter rather complicated.” “并非只能当,而是适合当。他们的性格多半木讷老实了,当官很难。为官之道,审时度势与人来往最重要,若再加上有能力有抱负,方可为能吏良吏。德新知应对进退,有能力抱负,有权衡辨别的能力,可为良吏,他们多半不行,这些事情可不简单。” Ning Yi shakes the head: „Prosperous common people and strong soldier, then selects scholars for public office. Is the say/way of specialist selecting scholars for public office special-purpose then actually resolvable, why unable to open some specialized schools? Every has the technique not to need value the broom as one's own, may arrange the person study carpenter, arranging the person study to smelt the iron, arranges the person study chef, arranges person study management —— is also when Storekeeper. The most important thing is, may arrange the person to learn military affairs slightly, arranges the person study water conservation, arranges person study mining......” 宁毅摇摇头:“富民、强兵,接下来是取士。取士之道其实专人专用便可解决,为何不能开些专业学堂？凡有技艺无需敝帚自珍,可安排人学木工,安排人学冶铁,安排人学厨子,安排人学管理——也就是当掌柜。最重要的是,可安排人学军略,安排人学水利,安排人学采矿……” The Li Pin obvious doubts, do not approve this: „If can the having money scholar, who is willing to study these?” 李频明显疑惑,不怎么认同这个:“若能有钱读书者,谁又愿学这些？” „This was the issue, was an official well, had the opportunity to study to being an official. Book has thousand cups of grains Book contains house made of gold, why will however...... the present have so many excess to live the superfluous personnel? Ancient times what had the opportunity to study was only one slightly dials the person, the person of literacy were not many, the knowledge must inherit, the country needed them to govern, the thousand gold (daughter) was easy a gentleman to be difficult to ask, therefore, this gentleman only existed in the maximum that group, because itself then did not have many, was the world resolves, recognized and develop one's being for the people, for past sages carry on inheriting teachings, for generations after creates peace and stablity, was busy......” “这便是问题所在了,当官多好,有机会读书的都冲着当官去了。书中自有千钟粟书中自有黄金屋,可是……如今为何会有如此多的冗生冗员？古时候有机会读书的只是一小拨人,识字的人不多,学问要传承下去,国家需要他们来治理,千金易得一士难求,因此,这士只存在于最高的那一团,因为本身便没多少,为天地立心,为生民立命,为往圣继绝学,为万世开太平,太忙了……” „Yet now? Several thousand years, the human affairs...... in the world had many things to wait for the person to do in the development for example, one is most important, we first make this, therefore continuously advocates. Person already that but now, Dexin, does this matter came out, I did not refer to Confucianism, but said for the officer. Why can't branch out some handles other things? Studies, they will think the matter, now flood to such situation, if can have the specialist to study the water conservation, reorganizes one set of theory, the later generation continues to study and study again, if these people do not study other, studies the water conservation, Confucianism when only self-cultivation, now can every year flood also as for this?” “可如今呢？几千年了,世事在发展……譬如说世上有许多事情等着人去做,有一件是最重要的,我们首先做这一件,于是一直提倡。但现在,德新,做这件事的人已经多出来了啊,我并非指儒学,而是说为官。为何不能分出一些去做其它事情了呢？读了书,他们就会想事,如今水患到此等地步,若能有专人去研究水利,整理一套学说,后人再继续学习、研究,这些人若不研究其它,就专研水利,儒学只当修身养性,如今每年水患还会至于此吗？” „Specialist special-purpose, anything efficiency may enhance, little takes many tortuous paths, for example in the past wove cotton cloth, mother teaches the daughter, these peasant woman Lane within the home machines weave slowly, have slow quickly, the quality is irregular, now textile line all has the workshop, hired the female worker worked, how some people taught them to use that machine, having the what kind of knack can be quicker . Moreover the also has person was considering how the loom should transform. A person can play the roles of beforehand several people, the quality is unified, the efficiency rises several times. If the efficiency of anything can rise several times, that present Wu Dynasty, what appearance can be? How could it not be is strong soldier also easy as pie?” “专人专用,任何事情效率都可提高,少走许多弯路,譬如说以往织布,娘亲教给女儿,那些农妇在家中个机器慢慢织,有快有慢,质量参差不齐,如今布行皆有作坊,聘请女工在其中做事,有人教她们如何用那机器,有何等诀窍可以更快,另外还有人在考虑织机该如何改造。一个人可以发挥以前几个人的作用,质量统一,效率翻上好几倍。若任何事情的效率都能翻上好几倍,那如今的武朝,会是什么样子？强兵岂非也是易如反掌？” „Naturally, this is also only the joke. In which difficulty, to you are unable to imagine, you said that Confucian scholar were many, I said that can the intellectual be short, if real specialist special-purpose, that too are few. As you said that in the family/home has the person of ability going to school, will not go to study the knowledge of these merchant and artisan, Confucianism will not make this type like letting loose its position common matter. However, since already was saturated, were many, if this Wu Dynasty really must proceed one step, perhaps can only consider that walks from here, for example, contrasts the public opinion gradually, first General slightly, water conservation this and other urgent projects first do, resists the foreign pressure, guarantees the livelihood of the people, by everyone not that bitter time, more people can study, then considers the specialist special-purpose. This like the plans of these stereotypical strong soldiers, their position does not come up, naturally some person thinks, to do, now other things all do not have the position, everyone can only certainly study......” “当然,这也只是玩笑。其中的困难,大到你无法想象,你说儒生多了,我说能读书之人少了,若真专人专用,那就实在太少。如你所说,家中有能力上学之人,不会去学这些商贾、匠人的学问,儒学也不会做这种如同放开其地位一般的事情。不过,既然已经饱和了,多了,这武朝若真要往前走一步,或许就只能考虑从这里走,譬如说,渐渐烘托舆论,先将军略、水利这等迫切的项目先做上来,抵御外来压力,保证民生,到大家不那么苦的时候,更多的人可以读书的时候,再考虑专人专用。这个不像那些呆板的强兵之策,他们的地位一上来,自然会有懂的人去想、去做的,如今其余事情皆无地位,大家当然只能都读书……” Room inside and outside is quiet, Li Pin lowers the head thinks painstakingly, outside the room are squatting the sister and brother hold the chin to be somewhat worried. The Ning Yi bringing teapot, poured out one cup of tea to oneself. 房间内外静悄悄的,李频低头苦想,房间外蹲着的姐弟都托着下巴有些苦恼。宁毅拿过来茶壶,给自己斟了一杯茶。 „Confucianism is very great system, besides practicing moral culture/slim fit, it is also manages the knowledge of person and balance among people relations, ten several tens of thousands of scholars, such many officials, in the invisible level, national tens of millions people, during its balance and control, especially in our Dynasty, excess live superfluous personnel already obviously to surpass, the impacts of various Buddhism Daoism theories, after it transforms slightly, the game rule that causes, not only makes discrimination between this ultra many officials be able to balance, but can also the continuous growth, making many scholars throw one filling where the other drops toward this above, many years of hard study painstakingly, one toward becoming famous under the heavens Knowledge, nearly perfect balance......” “儒学是很伟大的体系,除了修身之外,它也是管人、权衡人与人之间关系的学问,十数万的学子,如此之多的官员,隐形层面上,全国数千万的子民,都在它的权衡、掌控之中,特别是在我朝,冗生冗员已经明显超出,佛家道家各种学说的冲击,它稍稍转变之后弄出的这个游戏规则,不仅让这超多的官员之间的利益联系得以平衡,还能不断壮大,让众多学子前仆后继地朝这上面扑来,十年寒窗苦,一朝成名天下知,近乎完美的权衡……” He deep attracted tea aroma: „I worship this knowledge very much, regardless of its merit, can record some people in some form in some have survived the thing, may be called the art. Confucianism is through the ages in numerous art is absolutely greatest exquisite one, so big lands, so many people, in the so extreme and harmonious way their integration under a game rule, several thousand years of wisdom, admire......” 他深深了吸了一口茶香:“我很崇拜这种学问,无论其功过,能记录一些人以某种形式在某地生存过的东西,可称为艺术。儒学绝对是古往今来众多艺术中最为伟大精巧的一项,如此大的一片土地,如此多的人,以如此极端而又和谐的方式将他们统合在一种游戏规则之下,几千年的智慧,高山仰止……” He raises glass, bumped in the Li Pin teacup: „Happens to present, your I, and tastes it.” 他举杯过去,在李频的茶杯上碰了一下:“适逢其会,你我,且品尝之吧。” The tea aroma is actually pale, Li Pin is still thinking, at this time stands, withdraws two steps, deeply bows, Ning Yi has to stand reluctantly. 茶香其实已然淡了,李频还在想着,此时站起来,退后两步,深深地鞠了一躬,宁毅只好无奈地站起来。 „Liheng said that many I have not been able to think through, but, on the thought through place, Liheng has only won me to be far, when this matter was done obeisance by me.” “立恒所言,许多我还未能想通,不过,仅就已想通之处而言,立恒已胜我远矣,此事当受我一拜。” „Is only the joke.” Ning Yi returned to a ritual, soon after said with a smile, „, if not this Dynasty did not punish with the word, your I was also insignificant at this time, does not dare to...... the joke that you said that and did to chat that's all......” “只是玩笑。”宁毅回了一礼,随后笑道,“若非本朝不以言治罪,你我此时又无足轻重,都不敢跟你说的……玩笑,且做闲聊罢了……” !!! ！！！
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