HRE :: Volume #8

#718: Pit that digs newly


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No matter how the English thinks, the Vienna peace conference is held as scheduled. Nothing accident/surprise, UK , France and Austria become mediate the country. 不管英国人怎么想,维也纳和会还是如期举行。没有任何意外,英法奥三国都成为了调停国。 With arrival of negotiation team, Vienna became even more lively. very soon representatives look like the industrious little bee, flies round in various countries' embassies, every day has the hot copy production, lets eat the melon people to love to talk about. 随着谈判代表团的抵达,维也纳变得越发热闹了。普俄两国代表就像是勤劳的小蜜蜂,在各国使馆飞来飞去,每天都有热门新闻产生,让吃瓜群众们津津乐道。 The English supports the Berlin government, the French is somewhat scruple, is stands in a federation side reluctantly, but the support is limited. 英国人是支持柏林政府的,法国人有些迟疑,勉强算是站在普波联邦一方,只不过支持力度有限。 Had not indicated the standpoint as Austria of host, main objective that now both sides competed. Who earned the support of Vienna government, who can have the advantage in the negotiations. 作为东道主的奥地利一直没有表明立场,现在了双方争夺的主要目标。谁获得了维也纳政府的支持,谁就能够在谈判中占据优势。 Put down the trivial negotiations summary, Franz asked: „Did the very soon respective bottom line roughly make clear?” 放下了没有价值的谈判纪要,弗朗茨问道:“普俄两国各自的底线大致搞清楚了么?” Does not know when from starts, everyone learned wanting to have a lion's share in the diplomatic negotiation, usually the first proposing condition was one by one excessively, did not consider the feasibility. 不知道从什么时候开始,大家在外交谈判中学会了狮子大开口,通常第一次提出的条件都是一个比一个过分,丝毫不考虑可行性。 For example now: The Russians request the Berlin government to cede the eastern West Prussia, Pomeranian Voivodeship and Poznan area and Schleswig-Holstein two duchies, and also demanded about the war indemnities of 960 million aegises. 就比如说现在:俄国人要求柏林政府割让东西普鲁士、波美拉尼亚、波兹南地区、石勒苏益格-荷尔斯泰因两公国,并且还索要约合9.6亿神盾的战争赔款。 And the Schleswig-Holstein two duchies return the Dane, although does not know whether the Russian has the agreement with the Dane, Franz knows that this is the trouble that money causes. 其中石勒苏益格-荷尔斯泰因两公国是归还丹麦人,尽管不知道俄国人是否和丹麦人有协议,弗朗茨都知道这是“钱”惹的祸。 The war ended, was not equal to that the trouble conclusion of czar government, their troubles just started just the opposite, in the future years the Russian has to open the long repaying a debt profession. 战争结束了,并不等于沙皇政府的麻烦结束,恰恰相反他们的麻烦才刚刚开始,往后的岁月里俄国人不得不开启漫长的还债生涯。 The war conducts now, the Russian has owed the large amount of debt. Only the debt of Austria, reaches as high as 670 million aegises. 战争进行到现在,俄国人已经欠下了巨额的债务。光奥地利的债务,就高达6.7亿神盾。 Now the Russian must pay the principal and interest of Austrian about 4 million aegises every month, needs to pay for dozens years to pay off the complete debt continuously, the final principal and interest peace conference surpasses 1.4 billion aegises. 现在俄国人每月要支付奥地利近400万神盾的本息和,需要连续支付数十年才能够还清全部债务,最后的的本息和会超过14亿神盾。 Every year financial revenue 100 million aegises of czar government high and low, light/only the debt of Austria took away near half, this is not the Russian finance can withstand obviously. 沙皇政府的每年的财政收入不过1亿神盾上下,光奥地利的债务就拿走了近一半,这显然不是俄国财政能够承受的。 As far as Franz know, besides Austria, the czar government is not lower than 200 million aegises in the foreign loan sum totals of other countries, is mainly the Northern European federation and United States of America. 据弗朗茨所知,除了奥地利之外,沙皇政府在其他国家的外债总和也不低于2亿神盾,主要是北欧联邦和美利坚合众国。 The Northern European federation the loan that mortgages with Finland, Republic was the czar government's few diplomatic accomplishments. 北欧联邦是用芬兰抵押来的贷款,合众国就是沙皇政府为数不多的外交成果了。 Without the means that the person is fears lonely, the country is the person composes, naturally also inherited this point. Two by the world isolated country, sticking together were not made one be surprised. 没有办法,人是怕孤独的,国家是人组成的,自然也继承了这一点。两个被世界孤立的国家,抱团并不令人感到意外。 The American Civil War czar government support the northern government, naturally must receive the return now. Did not say that the American is loyal, really on Republic was also compelled. 南北战争时期沙皇政府支持了北方政府,现在自然要收到回报了。不是说美国人多么讲义气,实在上合众国也是被逼的。 Encountered the joint suppressions of Ossi four countries', various European countries kept at a respectful distance to them, except for the similarly unpopular Russian, they could not find a better partner again. 遭到了英法奥西四国的联合打压,欧洲各国都对他们敬而远之,除了同样不受欢迎的俄国人,他们再也找不到更好的伙伴了。 Although the US after fission , without the original space and time is so filthy rich, sold several million war bonds for the Russian. 尽管分裂后的美国,没有原时空那么财大气粗,还是替俄国人销售了几千万战争债券。 This is only the foreign loan, in addition the czar government also owed massive internal debts, specific digit Franz did not have the means to know, in any case was astronomical figures. 这只是外债,除此之外沙皇政府还欠下了大量的内债,具体数字弗朗茨就没有办法知道了,反正是一个天文数字。 After the war care to wounded or deceaseds and officers of retirement placement soldier, was affected the economic reconstruction of region by the war, is large amount of expenses. 战后士兵的伤亡抚恤、官兵退役安置,受战争影响区域的经济重建,又是一笔巨额开销。 On this issue, the czar government compared with the Berlin government very many, divides of minute of bankruptcy. 在这个问题上,沙皇政府比柏林政府好不了多少,都是分分钟破产的那种。 At this time is different in those days, this time debt majority mortgages with the territory, cannot render back the money must cede territory, the finance goes bankrupt this move is not easy-to-use. 今时不同往日,这次的债务大部分都是拿领土抵押的,还不起钱就要割地,财政破产这一招不好用了。 Other area first does not raise, the Finnish area cannot discard, otherwise the strategic security in St. Petersburg, is a problem. 别的地区先不提,芬兰地区万万不能舍弃,要不然圣彼得堡的战略安全,就成了问题。 From the economic value, the Schleswig-Holstein two duchies may be more valuable than Finland of the world of ice and snow, perhaps pays off a debt in labor with these two duchies can also trade a spending money again. 从经济价值上来说,石勒苏益格-荷尔斯泰因两公国可比冰天雪地的芬兰值钱,拿这两个公国抵债没准还可以再换点儿零花钱。 Strengthens the strength of Dane while convenient, making the internal relations of Northern European federation is more complex, relieves the north possible threat. 顺便增强一下丹麦人的实力,让北欧联邦的内部关系变得更加复杂一些,解除北边可能出现的威胁。 The czar government wants to get out of the mood of financial crisis, Franz is the understanding, the condition that but they put forward is unrecommendable. 沙皇政府想要摆脱财政危机的心情,弗朗茨是理解的,不过他们提出来的条件不可取。 Splits the German area regardless of the time being, the issue is the Berlin government is also a poor devil, after they butcher, with what pays the war indemnity? 分不分裂德意志地区姑且不论,问题是柏林政府也是一个穷鬼,被他们这么宰割后,拿什么支付战争赔款? If the condition of Russian, after all is a victorious nation, wanting to have a lion's share is not anything, condition that then the Berlin government puts forward, Franz swept one to be disinclined to look downward. 如果说俄国人的条件可以,毕竟是战胜国,狮子大开口也不算啥,那么柏林政府提出来的条件,弗朗茨扫了一眼就懒得往下看了。 Article 1 made the Russian force withdraw from federation immediately the territory, behind is unimportant, this has not resulted in discussed. 第一条就是则令俄军立即退出普波联邦的领土,后面已经不重要了,这一条就没得商量。 Foreign minister Wesenberg replied: „ Can determine initially, the goal of Russian is to cede territory and demands the war indemnity. 外交大臣韦森贝格回答道:“初步可以确定,俄国人的目标是割地和索要战争赔款。 Besides taking back original territory, they also want to swallow seized eastern West Prussia and Poznan area, this aspect issue is not big. 除了收回原来的领土外,他们还想要吞下已经占领的东西普鲁士和波兹南地区,这方面问题不大。 The key was the war indemnity, the czar government really does not have money, wanted to seize the chance to fish one to make up for the fiscal debt. 关键是战争赔款,沙皇政府是真的没钱了,想要趁机捞一笔弥补财政亏空。 Judging from the present situation, if the Berlin government gives the indemnity enough, it is estimated that does not cede territory the Russian also to accept. 从目前的情况来看,如果柏林政府把赔款给够,估计不割地俄国人也能够接受。 The situation in Prussia is somewhat complex, the Berlin government is not only incapable of paying the war indemnity, and wants to preserve the eastern West Prussia, but cedes the Poznan area. ” 普鲁士的情况有些复杂,柏林政府既无力支付战争赔款,又想要保住东西普鲁士,只是割让波兹南地区。” After thinking, Franz said with a smile: „ Situation compared with us estimated that is much better. Czar government that it seems like it is short of money, is the best czar government, otherwise they can swallow Prussia. 想了想后,弗朗茨笑道:“情况比我们预想中要好一些。看来缺钱的沙皇政府,才是最好的沙皇政府,要不然他们能够一口吞下普鲁士。 As for the idea of Berlin government, was unimportant at this time. As the defeated nation, they do not have many choices. Already by the territory that the Russian eats, wants to make others spit again is not realistic. 至于柏林政府的想法,这个时候并不重要。作为战败国,他们没有多少选择的余地。已经被俄国人吃下去的领土,再想让人家吐出来根本就不现实。 very soon finance is not good, the war continues every time for day, they must increase the military expenses expenses of hundreds of thousands of aegises, they cannot tow. 普俄两国的财政都不好,战争每持续一天,他们就要增加数十万神盾的军费开销,他们根本就拖不起。 We temporarily many involvements, the negotiations just do not start, it is estimated that Representative general E have not entered the condition, it is necessary first to let their calm. 我们暂时不要过多的介入,谈判才刚刚开始,估计普俄代表都没有进入状态,有必要先让他们冷静一下。 Can make an appointment with Prussia representative in secret, suggested that they use the material object to redeem the debt of various countries, believes that everyone will not reject, ” 可以私下里约见一下普鲁士代表,建议他们用实物抵偿各国的债务,相信大家是不会拒绝的,” Material object redeems this is the biggest pit, Prussia is not rich in the resources, pays off a debt in labor with material object, making a move that also only then the industry and commerce product can take. “实物抵偿”这是最大的坑,普鲁士不盛产资源,拿“实物”抵债,也只有工商业制品能够拿的出手。 The harm of this gadget big, Franz has experienced. When the original space and time second war broke out, the industries of virtue three empires exceeded the sum total of UK , France unexpectedly. 这玩意儿的危害有多大,弗朗茨是见识过的。原时空二战爆发时,德三帝国的工业居然超过英法的总和。 Must know one pre-war, the virtue two empires account for 14.8 of the world industry total quantity, but Great Britain accounts for 13.6 of the world industry total quantity, two countries unusual being close, UK , France adds far to exceed the virtue two empires. 要知道一战前,德二帝国占全世界工业总量的14.8,而大英帝国则占全世界工业总量的13.6,两国非常的接近,英法加起来远超德二帝国。 The World War II situation changed, earlier the virtue three empires accounted for 13.2 of the world industry total quantity, the English fell 9, French is pitiful 4.5, after annexing Austria and Czech Republic, the virtue three empires exceeded the sum total of UK , France. 二战时期情况就发生了变化,前期德三帝国占全世界工业总量的13.2,英国人则掉到了九、法国人更是只有可怜兮兮的4.5,吞并奥地利、捷克斯洛伐克后,德三帝国就超越了英法的总和。 ( Data is only for reference, the answer in different materials giving different) (数据仅供参考,不同的资料上给出的答案不一样) From the industrial data purely, UK , France are more like the defeated nation. The industrial total quantity proportion of Germany drops, that was rich in the coal and iron Alsace-Lorraine to return France, the textile center Silesia cession to new independent Poland. 单纯从工业数据上看,英法更像是战败国。德国的工业总量占比下降,那是盛产煤、铁的阿尔萨斯-洛林归还法国,纺织中心西里西亚割让给了新独立的波兰。 Causes primary cause that all these have, is material object redeems. In order to repay war indemnity, Germany must give a discount to pay off a debt in labor with a lot of industry and commerce products every year. 导致这一切发生的主要原因,就是“实物”抵偿。为了偿还战争赔款,德国每年都要拿大量的工商业制品折价抵债。 The capitalists discover to be the illegal broker, unexpectedly produce makes money. Great, naturally was the benefit first is. 资本家们发现做二道贩子,居然比自己生产更赚钱。没得说,当然是利益为先了。 Quick UK , France and colony are flooding German manufacture, the market that in the German arm force battlefield has not attained, attained in the post-war indemnity unexpectedly. 很快英法的本土、殖民地都充斥着德国制造,德军战场上没有拿到的市场,居然在战后赔款中拿到了。 Has saying that sometimes this world really talked nonsense very much. 不得不说,这个世界有时候真的很扯淡。 Talked nonsense to turn over to talk nonsense, Franz anticipated this happened. 扯淡归扯淡,弗朗茨可是非常期待这一幕发生的。 Yes, your majesty!” Foreign minister Wesenberg replied “是,陛下!”外交大臣韦森贝格回答道 ...... …… Prime Minister Felix: „ English was very recently active, publicizes to establish northern the advantage of Germany everywhere, has not paid attention to us completely, the created influence is bad. 费利克斯首相:“英国人最近很是活跃,四处宣扬建立北德意志的好处,完全没有把我们放在眼里,造成的影响非常恶劣。 Especially Hanover kingdom, many newspapers in promoting the northern German principle. They gave a pretext by the religious belief, poisoned people's minds, attempts to split the empire. 尤其是汉诺威王国,很多报纸都在鼓吹北德意志主义。他们以宗教信仰借口,蛊惑人心,企图分裂帝国。 ...... ” ……” Should come will come, to establish the northern German Empire such big matter, is not the high-level several people taps the head to decide. 该来的还是会来,建立北德意志帝国这么大的事情,不是高层几个人一拍脑袋就能够决定的。 If cannot earn the support of people, then northern German Empire and present comedy empire does not have any difference, in name is a country, in fact the central government no one can control. 如果不能获得民众的支持,那么北德意志帝国和现在的“喜剧帝国”没有任何差别,名义上是一个国家,实际上中央政府谁都管不了。 If the system structure or the present are so loose, called the empire with it, was a Nation Alliance is rather more appropriate. 如果体制结构还是现在这么松散,与其叫帝国,不如说是一个邦国联盟更加贴切。 This is not the English wants, is not George I wants. If cannot increase the centripetal force of people, the value of this empire be only acts as the buffer of great nation. 这不是英国人想要的,更不是乔治一世想要的。如果不能增加民众的向心力,这个帝国的价值就只有充当大国的缓冲区。 Franz thinks saying: „ Can make to them a little small troublesome, but must pay attention to the effort, cannot be scared them. 弗朗茨想了想说:“可以给他们制造一点儿小麻烦,不过要注意力度,不能吓着他们。 Had better be able direct everyone, happen to screens, who is our friends, who is our enemies. 最好能够把所有人都引出来,正好筛选一下,谁是我们的朋友,谁又是我们的敌人。 The English want a northern German Empire, that gives them a northern German Empire, but must, if conforms to the northern German Empire that we request. 英国人想要一个北德意志帝国,那就给他们一个北德意志帝国,不过必须要是符合我们要求的北德意志帝国。 The Kingdom of Prussia is a good board game piece, no matter how was weakened, above their strength also again Hanover. 普鲁士王国是一颗好棋子,不管怎么被削弱,他们的实力也再汉诺威之上。 Central weak place, since the ancient times is the say/way of courting disaster. 中央弱地方强,自古以来都是取祸之道。 So long as went through the post-war decline period, Juhnke aristocrat of wanting to remain in limelight will agitate the Berlin government to initiate the challenge to Hanover, when the time comes had looks lively. 只要度过了战后的衰落期,不甘寂寞的容克贵族又会鼓动柏林政府向汉诺威发起挑战,到时候就有热闹瞧了。 Perhaps does not need by that time, the Kingdom of Prussia to need money to save a life at present anxiously. I do not believe makes them take out money, these person of active members also want to found the northern German Empire. ” 或许不用等到那个时候,眼下普鲁士王国急需要钱救命。我不信让他们掏钱的时候,这些人活跃分子还想要建立北德意志帝国。” The heart, Franz has made the decision, making the Russian make a sky-high price indemnity to come out to the Kingdom of Prussia. 内心深处,弗朗茨已经做出了决定,让俄国人给普鲁士王国弄一个天价赔款出来。 The Kingdom of Prussia must not be unimportant, at the worst divides for 100 years , is really not the good 200 years. 普鲁士王国还不还得起并不重要,大不了分一百年还,实在是不行两百年也可以。 Needed time, but can also the Berlin government's head debt, pass the burden to the head of northern Germany central government. 必须要的时候,还可以把柏林政府头上的债务,转嫁到北德意志中央政府的头上。 This has the precedent, after federation establishes, the Berlin government wants to fuse thoroughly, unified the two sides military administrations directly, on the Polish government debt fell on the central government. 这是有先例的,普波联邦建立后,柏林政府想要普波彻底融合,直接统一了两边的军政,波兰政府身上的债务就落到了中央政府头上。 Theoretically, the Kingdom of Poland falls to the enemy now, the Berlin government has the opportunity to refuse to fulfill beforehand the debt of Kingdom of Poland, by seizing the Russians in Kingdom of Poland is undertaken. 理论上来说,现在波兰王国沦陷了,柏林政府有机会拒绝履行之前波兰王国的债务,由占领波兰王国的俄国人承担。 This is a world of law of the jungle, the big powers will is the international law, the creditors do not have the ability to force the Russian to render back the money, can only bully the potential weak Berlin government. 只是这是一个弱肉强食的世界,列强的意志就是国际法,债主们没有能力逼迫俄国人还钱,只能欺负势弱的柏林政府。 The Berlin government does not have the energy to reject, can only continue to fulfill these debts. Similar matter, can duplicate on northern German Empire similarly. 柏林政府没有底气拒绝,只能继续履行这些债务。类似的事情,同样可以在北德意志帝国身上复制。 No matter the English gave many promises, a debt passes the burden, supports their nation to choose to change job. 不管英国人给了多少许诺,一个债务转嫁,支持他们的邦国都会选择跳槽。 Can remove firewood from under the pot, why can worry? Using this opportunity, consumes John Bull's surplus energy, so as to avoid they go for the plot secretly are the kingly ways. 能够釜底抽薪,何必要着急呢?利用这个机会,消耗一下约翰牛过剩的精力,免得他们暗地里搞阴谋才是王道。 Foreign minister Wesenberg is heavyhearted: „ Your majesty, the situation is not necessarily able according to our will development. Judging from the present situation, after the war Kingdom of Prussia definitely large scale disarmament. 外交大臣韦森贝格忧心忡忡道:“陛下,局势未必会按我们的意志发展。从目前的情况来看,战后普鲁士王国肯定会大幅度裁军。 By the influence of this war, the loss of Juhnke aristocrat was been big, over a thousand aristocrat military officers to battlefield, more than 300 aristocratic family, because the war is facing certainly the child crisis. 受这次战争的影响,容克贵族的损失非常大,有上千名贵族军官到在了战场上,三百多个贵族家庭因为战争面临着绝嗣危机。 The massive losses of younger generation, after older generation retreat, Juhnke aristocrat will face the crisis that lacks successors, will definitely drop to the control of country significantly. 年轻一代的大量损失,等老一辈退去后,容克贵族将面临着后继无人的危机,对国家的掌控力肯定会大幅度下降。 Perhaps does not need to wait for the future, this war is the opportunity. 或许不需要等未来,这次战争就是机会。 Defeats always needs some people to shoulder the responsibility, if William is announcing for a while after the war abdicates, these live in the top Juhnke aristocrat also to follow to draw back. 战败总是需要有人承担责任的,如果威廉一时在战后宣布退位,这些身居高位的容克贵族也不得不跟着退下去。 The time is too tight, they want to train the successors not to have the time. Position that they leave behind, or will be the subordinate will make up by the assistant. 时间太仓促,他们想要培养继承人都没有时间。他们留下的位置,将会由副手或者是下属补上去。 After this round of politics shuffles, Juhnke aristocrat will lose the control to the government. The new government will take action mostly , to continue to weaken the strength of Juhnke aristocrat. 这一轮政治洗牌过后,容克贵族将丧失对政府的控制权。新的政府多半会采取行动,继续削弱容克贵族的实力。 For example: Under the pretext of financial pressure, abrogates the domestic most armies, gets rid of the army to have the abnormal political pattern of country. ” 比如说:以财政压力为借口,裁撤国内的大部分军队,摆脱军队拥有国家的畸形政治格局。” It is not possible, but will certainly happen. The political struggle is brutal, if William I do not take this opportunity, that was not William I. 不是可能,而是一定会发生。政治斗争是残酷的,如果威廉一世不利用这个机会,那就不是威廉一世了。 William I was over 80-year-old, itself few year of good work, by the attack of disaster, his healthy condition are been bad. 威廉一世都年过八旬了,本身就没几年好活的,受战争失败的打击,他的健康状态已经非常差。 Has the opportunity to take away the political rival, sweeps clean hidden danger that the descendant is in power, he has not been correct to pay attention to the rejection. 有机会带走政治对手,扫清后代掌权的隐患,他没有道理会拒绝。 And this is the open intrigue, is not the emperor compels everyone to resign, but is the glory of aristocrat makes everyone be the high-ranking embarrassed. 并且这还是阳谋,不是皇帝逼着大家辞职,而是贵族的荣耀让大家不好意思身居高位。 The reason of war, the core of Juhnke aristocrat mostly in army. Keeps in the government besides some high levels, majority is not army Juhnke. 战争的缘故,容克贵族的核心大都在军队中。留在政府中除了一些高层外,大部分都不是军队容克。 After the politics shuffles, the army lost the control to the government. Who mounts the stage, will not give the opportunity of their second control government. 政治洗牌过后,军队丧失了对政府的控制权。无论是谁上台,都不会给他们第二次掌控政府的机会。 Same, the original space and time has also performed. Fights Juhnke aristocrat influence on reduce from now on greatly, after all parties suppress, World War II by hope *** pushes aside, even the army control lost. 相同的一幕,原时空也上演过。一战过后容克贵族势力大减,在各方打压过后,二战时期受“希***”排挤,连军队控制权都丢了。 ...... …… Prussia that Prussia and army that the politicians control control, is completely not a concept, many that on the bottom line must lower. 政客控制的普鲁士和军队控制的普鲁士,完全不是一个概念,底线上还要低的多。 Different from „the army ** principle routine spoke with the fist, the politicians liked compromising. This increased the uncertainty without doubt, no one can guarantee that the Berlin government will not compromise with Hanover. 不同于“军**主义”习惯性用拳头说话,政客们更加喜欢妥协。这无疑是增加了不确定性,谁也不能够保证柏林政府不会和汉诺威妥协。 Franz nods: „ This truly is an issue, the benefit that but this inside involves is too big, even both sides really compromised, does not have in the means short-term to complete. 弗朗茨点了点头:“这确实是一个问题,不过这里面牵扯到的利益太大,就算是双方真的妥协了,也没有办法短期内完成。 Ministry of Foreign Affairs stared at them to be good, when necessary we can adopt the extremity. ” 外交部盯着他们好了,必要的时候我们可以采取非常手段。” Said frankly, Franz was not worried. Must achieve this point, not only wants the excellent statesmanship, but must have the suitable international environment. 坦率的说,弗朗茨并不怎么担心。要做到这一点,不仅要高超的政治手腕,还必须要有适合的国际环境。
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