Chapter 127 watches the fun does not dislike the matter big Confucianist 第127章看热闹不嫌事大的儒家 The atmosphere in academy is very dignified, the Mohist school juniors influence of here is also huge, is not inferior in the Confucian scholar. 学宫之中的氛围很是凝重,墨家子弟在这里的势力同样庞大,已经不逊色于儒生。 Yang Sheng and Yang Zhu two people discussed without doing, has not spoken, first had the Confucian scholar high sound said: „Luo Country academy, is the philosophers disseminates the place of highest good, ‚universal love’ and ‚expensive/noble oneself’, looks like the water with the fire same conflict, does not have the well distributed leeway, but also please two talented people first and others dispel doubt for me.” 阳胜和杨朱两人坐而论道,还未说话,先有儒生高声道:“洛国学宫,乃是诸子传播至理之地,‘兼爱’与‘贵己’,就像是水和火一样的冲突,没有调和的余地,还请两位贤人先为我等解惑吧。” Just said, Confucian scholars in abundance high sound said: „Also please two talented people dispel doubt for the world person.” 刚刚说完,儒生们就纷纷高声道:“还请两位贤人为天下人解惑。” On everyone's face is an exciting expression, shining is stirring up trouble. 所有人的脸上都是一副激动的表情,明晃晃的就是在挑事。 Since Mo Di arrives in academy, the Confucianist was pressed is hitting randomly, particularly after Mo Di goes out, did the special non- Confucian, pointed at the nose of Confucianist to scold, being completely muddled that the whole show of Confucianist hit. 从墨翟来到学宫之中之后,儒家就被按着乱打,尤其是墨翟出关之后,搞出了专门的非儒,指着儒家的鼻子骂,把儒家的主要人物打的晕头转向。 Pesters endlessly in Luo Country academy is useless, that is true must use the theory, makes the opposite party dumbfounded good with the expression. 在洛国学宫之中胡搅蛮缠是没用的,那是真正的要用理论,用言辞来让对方哑口无言才行。 But this is also not most fatal, truly those who make the Confucianist with the Mohist school discontented is, esteemed degree of Mohist school in Luo Country already not under Confucianist. 但这还不是最致命的,真正让儒家对墨家不满的是,墨家在洛国之中受到推崇的程度已经不下于儒家。 However 2-3 years exceeded a Confucianist over a hundred years of accumulation, this had enraged the leader of Confucianist thoroughly. 不过2-3年的时间就超越了儒家上百年的积累,这已经彻底触怒了儒家的领头人。 Luo Country is the private plot of Confucianist, here is the Way of the King paradise, is the place Heaven country of Confucianist, here was broken through, is as good as the capital of country to be attacked and occupied to the Confucianist. 洛国是儒家的自留地,这里是王道乐土,是儒家的地上天国,这里被攻破,对儒家不亚于国家的首都被攻占。 The Confucian scholars can allow oneself lose to the Mohist school in Various Countries of Xia, but only has Luo Country is not good! 儒生能够容许自己在诸夏列国之中输给墨家,但唯有洛国不行！ If cannot be victorious that group of tall Mohists, the Confucian scholar even prepared to perform the large-scale acrobatic fighting directly. 如果不是打不过那群五大三粗的墨者,儒生甚至都准备直接上演全武行了。 Only slightly what in these years can make the Mohist school admit defeat were in years past that „the Luo non- king”. 这些年里唯一能够让墨家微微吃瘪的还是昔年的那一句“洛氏不王”。 Taoism and Mohist school have the fundamental conflict, therefore the Confucianist continuously stirs up trouble between Taoism and Mohist school. 道家和墨家有根本冲突,所以儒家一直都在道家和墨家之间挑事。 Now birth of Yang Zhu makes the Confucianist juniors feel that must succeed, some Taoism really people promoted theory of one set of completely different Mohist school. 现在杨朱的出世让儒家子弟感觉就要成功了,道家果然有人搞出了一套完全迥异墨家的理论。 Although this set of theory and Confucianist also run counter, but this is unimportant, first falls face down the Mohist school dry/does, this is the Confucianist most wants to do now. 虽然这套理论和儒家也是背道而驰,但是这不重要,先把墨家干趴下,这是儒家现在最想要做的。 Luo Huaichen wears the Mohists clothing, kneels to sit in the Yang Sheng body side, said: „ I will not speak, this debate completely delivers to Yang Sheng. 洛怀臣身着墨者服饰,跪坐于阳胜身侧,说道:“我不会出言,这一场辩论尽交予阳胜子。 Can open person of sect stand the sending, is not simple, Yang Sheng must be careful. ” 能开宗立派之人,都不简单,阳胜子要小心了。” As the Mohists, should bravely step forward, but Luo Huaichen and do not attack regarding the universal love entertains suspicions, is naturally impossible to participate in this fundamental debate. 身为墨者,本该挺身而出,但是洛怀臣自己对于兼爱和非攻都抱有怀疑,自然不可能参与这种根本的辩论。 This is the first time that Yang Zhu appeared in academy, naturally must first tell one own theory. 这是杨朱第一次出现在学宫之中,自然是要先讲述一番自己的理论。 At this point, must say why will have so many people to arrive in Luo Country academy to lecture. 说到这里,就必须要说为什么会有那么多人来到洛国学宫之中讲学。 Because in Luo Country academy, besides the person of each school of thought that quite many white body, being equivalent to Luo Country chose a number of talents to be good, the life experience pure person to sit in academy, if can conquer these people, can praise instantaneously, even can also choose the person of own legacy. 因为洛国学宫之中,除了各个学派之人,还有相当多的白身,相当于洛国挑选了一批天赋较好、身世清白的人坐于学宫之中,若是能够征服这些人,瞬间就能扬名,甚至还能从中挑选出自己的衣钵之人。 The theory of Yang Zhu has the instigation strength, particularly rebirth, but expensive/noble oneself this point has not instead brought in the disturbance in imagination, because this is in the Luo Country central illustrious city, here the universal love most is popular truly. 杨朱的理论是非常有煽动力的,尤其是重生,不过贵己这一点反而没有引来想象之中的风波,因为这是在洛国的中心昭城,在这里兼爱才是真正最得人心的。 Yang Sheng is listening to narration of Yang Zhu, starts in discuss technique who in the heart thinks deeply about the Mohist school, seeks for the shortcoming from the theory of Yang Zhu. 阳胜听着杨朱的讲述,开始在心中思索墨家的辩术,从杨朱的理论寻找缺点。 When Yang Zhu stops, Yang Sheng asked directly: „ Young, you said that expensive/noble oneself and rebirth, summoned everyone must treasure own life, protects own interests. 等到杨朱停下之时,阳胜直接问道:“杨子,你说贵己、重生,号召所有人都要珍惜自己的生命,保护自己的利益。 Does not lift a finger to help but benefits the world! 不拔一毛而利天下！ A few years ago Hu people invaded Yan Country, the Yan Country northern boundary 200,000 people suffered disaster, finally was across Yan Country can expel the Hu people invasion with joint forces. 前些年胡人入侵燕国,燕国北境二十万生民遭难,最终是燕国各地合力才能驱逐胡人入侵。 If everyone expensive/noble oneself and rebirth, how then the 200,000 people of northern boundary can survive in the world? 若是人人贵己、重生,那么北境的二十万生民如何能在天地之间生存下来呢？ The northern people of boundary want expensive/noble oneself and rebirth, perhaps the best way moves to the south, leaves own hometown, such does not need to face directly the Hu people blade edge. 北境之民想要贵己、重生,恐怕最好的办法就是南迁,离开自己的故乡,那样就不用直面胡人的刀锋。 If the northern people of boundary do not leave the land, Yan Country Jicheng southern people expensive/noble oneself, then the people of northern boundary cannot preserve own life. 若是北境之民不离开土地,燕国蓟城之南的子民贵己,那么北境的生民就不能保存自己的性命。 Can they only dying in vain? 难道他们只能白白的死去吗？ Can you promote expensive/noble oneself and rebirth to Hu people in? 还是你要将贵己和重生推广到胡人之中？ The Yi and Di violent, may not receive the say/way of sage. ” 夷狄暴也,不可受圣人之道。” This sharp asked, making the look of Mohists shine, Yang Zhu dismantled the individual, then faced an issue inevitably, without the organization, how must resist organized Mán and Yi! 这犀利的一问,让墨者的眼神都亮了起来,杨朱将人拆解成个体,那么就必然面对一个问题,没有组织,要如何对抗有组织的蛮夷！ You want everyone expensively to live, everyone expensive/noble oneself, then you must face on this day under between agitated potential alone, because may want the deceased person facing Hu people. 你要人人贵生,人人贵己,那么伱就要独自面对这天下之间的汹汹之势,因为面对胡人是可能要死人的。 Your Yan Country person has the danger, what relations has with my Qi Country person and Luo Country person? 你燕国人有危险,和我齐国人、洛国人有什么关系呢？ I want expensive/noble oneself, I to want the rebirth, I do not seek after your advantage, however your danger you also deal with! 我要贵己、我要重生,我不贪图你的好处,但是你的危险你也自己应付！ Can the person who helps and is not acquainted? 到底要不要去帮助和自己不相识的人呢？ Yang Sheng felt oneself from the theory of Yang Zhu, instead understood the truth in universal love, he somewhat excited trembling said: „ In years past Duke Huan of Qi dominated the world , helping one another Yan Country by the soldier of Qi Country. 阳胜感觉自己从杨朱的理论之中,反而悟出了兼爱之中的道理,他有些激动的战栗道:“昔年齐桓公称霸天下之时,以齐国之兵相助燕国。 If according to the theory of your expensive/noble oneself, this is wrong. 若是依照你的贵己之论,想必这是错误的。 But in the All Xia war, Yan Country resists northern Hu people, enabling Qi Country to cause the downfall of the nation, but avoids the violation of Hu people, this has saying that lasted in years past the Yan Country merit. 但在诸夏大战时,燕国抵挡北方胡人,使齐国能够倾国而出,而免遭胡人的侵害,这不得不说是昔年存续燕国的功劳。 Qi people helps swallow people, finally makes Qi people survive. 齐人帮助燕人,最终让齐人存活下来。 This indicated that only then universal love world, everyone helps mutually, can rescue one person by the strength of the world, can when oneself body encounters the danger, finally saves oneself! 这说明只有兼爱天下,人人互助,才能以天下之力救一人,才能在己身遇到危险之时,最终救己！ The universal love is expensive/noble oneself, the universal love is the rebirth! ” 兼爱就是贵己,兼爱就是重生！” Luo Huaichen sits side Yang Sheng, some surprise is looking at him, really has not thought that Yang Sheng inferred such a set of logic unexpectedly, dug the root of Yang Zhu theory directly, this also too show. 洛怀臣坐在阳胜身旁,有些诧异的望着他,实在是没想到阳胜竟然推导出了这么一套逻辑,直接将杨朱理论的根都刨了,这也太秀了。 The Confucianists are listening to question of Yang Sheng, only feels scalp tingles, this strange logic, always thought where is not right, however could not say, before this was , the Confucianist facing the feeling of Mohist school, is one's turn Taoism Yang Zhu now. 儒家听着阳胜的发问,只感觉头皮发麻,这种诡异的逻辑,总觉得哪里不对劲,但是说不出来,这就是之前儒家面对墨家的感受,现在轮到道家杨朱了。 Yang Zhu also deeply frowns, the theory birth of all of various schools of thought time to solve the Various Countries of Xia internal business, but father, Confucius, since they enter defends the concealed room, the field of vision range will inevitably expand. 杨朱同样深深地皱起了眉头,诸子百家的理论诞生的时候都是为了解决诸夏列国内部的事务,但不论是老子、还是孔子,从他们进入守藏室之后,视野的范围就会不可避免的扩大。 Mozi so, the biggest difference was in the ancient book starts to take massively among the elaboration about summer Yi similarly, why this is the Yang Sheng direct Yi and Di will come to the reason that Yang Zhu carried out the attack. 墨子同样如此,最大的区别就是典籍之中开始带上了大量关于夏夷之间的论述,这就是阳胜为什么会直接夷狄来对杨朱进行打击的原因。 Yang Zhu thinks deeply about a say/way: „Mohists universal love, is damages the body to be altruistic, Mozi goes to Wu County to prevent to attack clear/pain, if dies in Wu County directly, then all things all rest, therefore the universal love is not the expensive/noble oneself rebirth, Yang Sheng you were wrong.” 杨朱思索一番道:“墨者兼爱,是损身利人,墨子前往吴国阻挡攻楚,若是直接死在吴国之中,那么万事皆休,所以兼爱不是贵己重生,阳胜子你错了。” Yang Zhu to refute the Mohist school, Yang Sheng has fallen into own logic, simultaneously starts to think, but two people had not seen that nearby Confucian scholar excited was unable to make. 杨朱是为了驳斥墨家,阳胜已经陷入自己的逻辑之中,同时开始思索,但是两人都未曾见到旁边的儒生已经激动不能制了。 The theory of Yang Sheng does not have the issue, but the Mohist school universal love is not good, but the Confucianist has the love of difference, similarly can achieve the integration world the effect! 阳胜的理论没问题,只不过墨家兼爱不行,但是儒家有差别的爱,同样可以达到统合天下的效果啊！ The Confucian scholars were recalling antiquity Saint king and present age overlord, is assembles the feudal lord and bringing order to the entire country, remembers distinguishing of summer foreign, indistinct between as if found a theoretical foundation of some series. 儒生们回想着上古圣王和当世的霸主,都是九合诸侯、一匡天下,又想起夏夷之辨,隐隐约约之间似乎找到了某种一统的理论依据。 Yang Zhu thinks a weakness in Yang Sheng words, „ Yang Sheng said that Qi Country aids Yan Country, finally Yan Country helps Qi Country, can make one's home. 杨朱又想到了阳胜话中的一个弱点,“阳胜子说,齐国援助燕国,最终燕国帮助齐国,得以存身。 But if Qi Country annexes Yan Country directly, guards Qi Country turned into Qi people, perhaps facing more powerful Qi Country, Hu people doesn't dare to go south? 但若是齐国直接吞并燕国,守卫齐国的就变成了齐人,面对更加强大的齐国,或许胡人根本不敢南下呢？ Then the Mohist school publicizes does not attack, to be injuring someone? ” 那么墨家所宣扬的非攻,岂不是在害人吗？” Yang Sheng attacks Yang Zhu expensive/noble oneself and rebirth will instead injure someone, Yang Zhu counter-attacks immediately, the universal love causes self infliction, does not attack , then injures someone. 阳胜攻击杨朱的贵己和重生反而会害人,杨朱立刻反击,兼爱是害己,非攻则害人。 Does not yield mutually, holds core theory one ruthless batch of opponent, this is the academic debate. 毫不相让,抓住对手的核心理论一顿狠批,这就是学术辩论。 The Confucian scholars listened to Yang Zhu the dense fog in theory heart to be short, the main road of king world as if at present. 儒生听着杨朱的理论心中的迷雾更是少了一些,王天下的大道似乎就在眼前了。 Between Yang Zhu and Yang Sheng are debating continually, but both sides revolve to give an example radically unceasingly, but does not have the camp that the means break through the opposite party. 杨朱和阳胜之间持续的辩论着,但是双方围绕着根本不断举例,但却没有办法攻破对方的阵营。 Instead is in the eyes of Confucian scholar the appearance is getting more and more bright, finally two people stopped this debate. 反而是儒生的眼中神采越来越亮,最终两人中止了这一场辩论。 Black and white between is distinguishes right from wrong, since cannot argue down the opposite party theoretically, then overthrows the opposite party in the reality. 黑和白之间是泾渭分明的,既然在理论上不能驳倒对方,那么就在现实之中打倒对方。 Luo Palace. 洛宫。 The process that both sides debated naturally can present in the Luo Country ducal family hand, Luo Qing is reading the theory of Yang Zhu, sighed with emotion: „ On this day under between the gentleman of ability and wisdom was really more and more. 双方所辩论的过程自然会呈递到洛国公室手中,洛清翻看着杨朱的理论,感慨道:“这天下之间的才智之士真是越来越多了。 Said the Confucianists and Mohists law, was the famous doctrines in world, now presents the Yang Zhu knowledge, stemming from saying, but was different. 道儒墨法,都是世间的显学,现在又出现了杨朱的学问,出于道,而不同。 The Mohist school stemming from the Confucianist, most is opposes the Confucianist, the word of Yang Zhu refutes the Mohist school, if the world person really ‚expensive/noble oneself’ and ‚rebirth’ in the degree to his ideal, the country and monarchies did not have. 墨家出于儒家,最是反对儒家,杨朱之言则驳斥墨家,若是天下人真‘贵己’和‘重生’到他理想中的程度,就连国家和君主都没有了。 Yang Sheng this said right, if All Xia does not have the country, how can also resist the Yi and Di? 阳胜这点说得对,诸夏若是无国,又怎么能够抵挡夷狄呢？ Does Yang Zhu also want to proselytize to the Yi and Di? ” 难道杨朱还想要对夷狄传道吗？” The theory of Yang Zhu did not put in order Luo Qing, Luo also never had not to approve a theory of person, Mohist school „universal love”, Luo thinks that can transform. 杨朱的理论把洛清都整不会了,洛氏还从来没有过这么不认可一个人的理论,就连墨家的“兼爱”,洛氏都认为能够改造。 However the theory of Yang Zhu, is extremely fine, the leeway that even transforms does not have, in the present world, inevitably moves toward the extreme position. 但是杨朱的学说,太过精致,连改造的余地都没有,在现在的世界之中,必然走向极端的境地。 The chaos institute, the Ji Zhao form in the ups and downs, here did not have the light, not to have Sun and moon in this period, without the flowers and plants trees, the dark consciousness in his deep sleep, passes on together toward the Luo Chang mind. 混混沌沌之所,姬昭的身影在其间沉沉浮浮,这里没有光、没有太阳和月亮,没有花草树木,一道冥冥的意识在他沉睡之间,向着洛长的脑海之中传去。 „!” “！” The Luo Chang facial expression is suddenly earnest, knit the brows to think, said to Luo Qing: „clear, starts to choose the clansman now, prepares to compile a grand ceremony, named «Philosophers», all ancient books since the father and Confucius will have included, will inform the later generation.” 洛长的神情陡然认真起来,皱眉思索了一番,对洛清说道:“清儿,现在开始挑选族人,准备编撰一部大典,名为《诸子》,将自老子和孔子以来的所有的典籍都囊括进去,告知后世。” - -- During a Luo Country academy several hundred years of innumerable debate, „debate of black ink Yang” the contribution can arrange to as before first ten. 在洛国学宫数百年的无数辩论之中,“墨杨之辩”的贡献依旧可以排到前十。 both sides of this debate, Yang Sheng and Yang Zhu have not achieved the complete success, therefore in «Mozi» and «Young», does not have is completely included. 这场辩论的双方,阳胜和杨朱都没有获得完全的胜利,所以在《墨子》和《杨子》之中,都没有完整的被收录。 However in the Confucianist ancient book, actually records at length to this debate, naturally has a narration of critique, the Confucianist proposed based on this theory of king world, this is one of the prosperous foundations.- «Confucianist New solution» 但是在儒家典籍之中,却对这一场辩论大书特书,当然是带着一种批判的叙述,儒家据此提出了一王天下的理论,这是它兴盛的根基之一。-《儒家新解》 This chapter is a point own understanding, therefore I have not made Mozi arrive, in December the end of the month seems like some double monthly tickets, everyone can remain. 本章算是一点自己的理解,所以我没有让墨子登场,12月月末好像有双倍月票,大家可以留一下。 ( This chapter ends) (本章完)