Chapter 114 Mo Di 第114章墨翟 The Mohist school arrived in Luo Country, looks like an army, fully about 300 people, battered arrived in academy generally. 墨家来到了洛国之中,就像是一支军队,整整将近三百人,横冲直撞一般的来到了学宫之中。 Mo Di is led to see Luo Chang by Luo Huaichen, the remaining Mohists audit in academy. 墨翟由洛怀臣带着去见洛长,剩下的墨者则在学宫之中旁听。 To the scholar in academy, the attire of Mohists is very strange, this is not scholars this clothing of putting on. 对学宫之中的学子来说,墨者的装束很是奇怪,这不是士子该穿的服饰。 The legalist school scholars become an official massively, in fact the scholars of Confucianist are becoming an official similarly, the monarchy just does not accept Way of the King, the Confucianist scholars also has to be skilled in various skills, such as in years past Duanmu child was skilled in technique vertically and horizontally/able to move unhindered, was famous for the expression sharply. 法家士子大量出仕,实际上儒家的士子同样在出仕,君主只不过是不接受王道,儒家士子同样有精通各项技能的,诸如昔年的端木子就非常精通纵横之术,以言辞犀利著称。 Follows the Mohists who Mo Di comes to sit respectfully in academy, prepares to listen to the Confucian scholars to speak anything, the Confucian scholars do not know these Mohists to come to them, then starts to defer to the normal flow to elaborate respectively oneself understanding of classics. 跟随墨翟而来的墨者在学宫之中正襟危坐,准备听听儒生们讲些什么,儒生们并不知晓这些墨者是冲着他们来的,便开始按照正常的流程分别阐述自己对经典的理解。 Therefore the Mohists have knit the brows, is unable to endure, Yang Sheng direct said loudly: The place that „ now between the world various nations the flames of war repeatedly, the poor person stands continually does not have. 于是墨者们一直皱眉,然后无法忍受,阳胜直接大声说道:“现在天下列国之间战火频频,贫困的人连站立的地方都没有。 You stressed that here wantonly these do not have over-detailed formalities of use. 你们却在这里大肆地强调那些无一用处的繁文缛节。 The when Saint king Dayu Dayu's water governance of antiquity, wore the straw sandal to throw over the rain clothes, finally becomes the world to advocate. 上古的圣王大禹治水之时,穿着草鞋披着蓑衣,最终成为了天下共主。 The people died to look like the oil lamp to extinguish, even if the complicated funeral is also useful? 人死去就像是油灯熄灭,即使再繁复的葬礼又有什么用处呢？ Might as well these money leave living the person. 不如将这些财货留给活着的人。 Should the person who the Confucian scholar thinks the wasteful waste, instead the king world? 难道儒生认为奢靡浪费的人,反而应该王天下吗？ You should look for Jie and Zhou such monarchy, constructs the intemperate eating and drinking, mobilizes entire day below person to construct the high picking star stage, this can be peaceful and unitary. ” 那你们应该去找桀纣那样的君主,重新修建酒池肉林,发动全天下的人来修建高高的摘星台,想必这样就可以天下大治了。” All Confucian scholars were shocked by these Mohists's sudden speeches, these usually with the person of school of thought the Confucian scholar does not deal with , at the scene. 所有儒生都被这些墨者突然的发言惊呆了,就连那些平时和儒生不对付的学派之人,也愣在了当场。 My goodness. 好家伙。 Where this group of people from come, the speech is so sharp. 这群人从哪来的,说话这么犀利。 The Yang Sheng map artillery nature enrages the Confucian scholars, said loudly: „Wild and unreasonable disciple, in the report comes.” 阳胜的地图炮自然将儒生们激怒,纷纷大声道:“狂悖之徒,报上名来。” „Yang Sheng!” “阳胜！” His sound is loud and clear, the Confucian scholars saw Yang Sheng to be impressive, then guessed correctly the idea of Yang Sheng, said quietly: „ This person must come to with me and others debate specially. 他的声音掷地有声,儒生们一见阳胜气度不凡,便猜到了阳胜的想法,悄声说道:“此人应当是特意来要与我等辩论。 Is sure to remember is careful, all debates by record. ” 切记要小心,所有辩论都会被记录在案。” In palace the place of each corner, has many females to memorize silently in this, other person starts to record, the Confucian scholars several hundred years in academy, naturally know. 在宫殿的各个拐角之处,都有很多的女子在此默记,另外的人则开始记录,儒生们在学宫之中数百年,自然是知晓的。 Although in the heart alerts, but the Confucian scholars do not fear imposingly, backs on Luo Country this Way of the King big tree, in addition Confucius this saints and sages are born, now in the world, only then the Confucian scholar has the most perfect theoretical system. 虽然心中戒备,但儒生们凛然不惧,背靠洛国这棵王道大树,加上孔子这位圣贤出世,如今天下之中,只有儒生才有最完善的理论体系。 The debate has almost not lost, even the legalist school in mouth artillery aspect similarly is not the opponent of Confucianist, therefore the legalist school traded the battlefield, the disagreement/not with Confucianist slapping in the face artillery, must use the real work together practice positive result steamroll Confucianist. 辩论几乎没有输过,即便是法家在嘴炮这方面同样不是儒家的对手,所以法家换了战场,不和儒家打嘴炮,要用真正的实践成果碾压儒家。 However this Confucianist took a rash step, the Mohist school has this time strongest logic, but also has more intrepid debate system, the Mohist school has studied this knowledge specially. 但是这一次儒家失策了,墨家有着这个时代最强的逻辑学,还有着更强悍的辩论体系,墨家是专门研究过这一门学问的。 Moreover Mo Di was born originally the Confucianist, was extremely familiar to the theory of Confucianist, the Mohist school selects the Confucianism weakest place to stroke specially, does not conform to the current actual place to break through, doing three things at once, if this can also lose is strange matter. 而且墨翟本就出生儒家,对儒家的学说太过熟悉了,墨家专门挑着儒家学说最薄弱的地方来击打,最不符合当前实际的地方来突破,三管齐下,这要是还能输才是怪事。 However on the 1st, the Mohist school could not say the words of even Confucianist disciple resentment, if not for theory of Luo Country ducal clan beside with Confucianist extended the aid, these Confucian scholars must unable to stay. 不过一日,墨家就将儒家门徒怼的连话都说不出,若不是洛国公族化用儒家之外的理论伸出援手,这些儒生都要呆不下去了。 For successive three days, the result was exactly the same, the Confucianist was hung the hammer repeatedly. 连续三日,结果一模一样,儒家被反复吊起来锤。 This looked to stay directly the people of other schools of thought that „where did these people brave? Really has the ability, Confucianist having no merit to speak of theory criticizing.” 这直接看呆了其他的学派之人,“这些人是从哪里冒出来的？竟然如此有才能,将儒家的学说批驳的一无是处。” This naturally is not the Confucianist true level , the Mohist school belongs does not speak Wu De, carries out the sneak attack, the result of but creating is shock. 这当然不是儒家真正的水平,墨家属于不讲武德,搞偷袭,但造成的结果是震撼性的。 In the Yang Sheng eye is very tranquil, does not care regarding looking angrily at and praise of surrounding person, he said with a smile loudly: „Tycoon said right, the Confucianism, is useless studying, collapses at the first blow.” 阳胜眼中很是平静,对于周围人的怒视和赞誉都不在意,他大声笑道:“巨子说的没错,儒家学说,是无用之学,不堪一击。” The Confucian scholar in academy has calmed down, „ Mohist school Yang Sheng, you indeed talented person, eloquence unparalleled. 学宫之中的儒生已经冷静下来,“墨家阳胜,你的确是有才能的人,辩才无双。 However what the Confucianist inherits is the uncrowned king main road, Duke Ming makes the classics and commentaries, will these two sages also make a mistake? ” 但是儒家所传承的是素王大道,明公作经传,难道这两位圣人也会出错吗？” The Confucian scholars had realized, these said the person of Mohist school, is very deep to the Confucianist classical understanding, can therefore be often pertinent. 儒生们已经意识到,这些自称墨家之人,对儒家经典的认识很是深厚,所以才能每每切中要害。 These strategic points are Confucianist interior feel puzzled, that must be solved immediately, now was raised by the Mohist school, cannot naturally be victorious. 那些要害都是儒家内部自己都感觉困惑,亟待解决的,现在被墨家提出来,自然是打不过的。 However completes the Confucianist who the Confucian orthodoxy combed, has the incomparable self-confidence to own theory, the Confucianist is fastidious about the self-restraint and return to ritual, the Confucian scholar always thinks that own main road inheritance in the uncrowned king, the theory has the issue to be normal, the correction is good. 但是完成了道统梳理的儒家,对自己的理论有着无比的自信,儒家讲究克己复礼,儒生一向认为自己的大道传承于素王,学说有问题是正常的,改正就好。 Yang Sheng naturally knows that these two sages will certainly say by the Confucian scholar, particularly uncrowned king, this is the sage who Confucius most esteems. 阳胜自然知道这两位圣人一定会被儒生提出来,尤其是素王,这是孔子最为推崇的圣人。 Heard the present Confucian scholar saying that Yang Sheng sneered to say immediately: „ The main road of uncrowned king? Confucian scholars is it possible that so arrogant? 听到眼前的儒生所说,阳胜当即冷笑道:“素王的大道？儒生莫非都是如此的自大吗？ The uncrowned king main road contains the myriad things, is the thing of Confucianism like this inconveniencing? 素王大道包容万物,难道是儒学这样的不便之物吗？ The uncrowned kings spoke the filial piety, but never informed you to remain in mourning for one's parent for three years, sob day and night, but must throw over the hemp to wear mourning clothes, povertied, when remained in mourning for one's parent finished, the human form almost damaged, you lived in Luo Country, could not see that Hou never so did observe one's mourning? 素王讲孝,但从未告知伱要守丧三年,哭泣不分昼夜,还要披麻戴孝,忍饥挨饿,等到守丧结束,人形几乎损毁,你们生活在洛国之中,难道就见不到洛侯从未如此守孝吗？ The uncrowned kings take seriously the sacrificial offering and burying ancestor, but the uncrowned king first said expensively lives, was living the person must first live well, can the sacrificial offering ancestor well. 素王重视祭祀和埋葬先祖,但素王先讲贵生,就是活着的人先要活得好,才能好好的祭祀祖先。 A lot of properties were buried into the bottom, if in the husband's household, a funeral must exhaust the family property, this is right? 大量的财物被葬入地底,若是匹夫家中,一场葬礼就要竭尽家财,这难道是对的吗？ The uncrowned king exceedingly high penetrating place, through the ages the first sacred person, the thing of being buried as a funerary object was in years past to the gold bookcase that King Wu offers. 素王通天彻地,古往今来第一神圣之人,随葬之物不过是昔年向武王进献的金匮罢了。 The later generation nobility likes luxuriously, therefore the wind of formation elaborate funeral, can speak on the uncrowned king unexpectedly. 后世王公贵族喜好奢华,于是厚葬之风成型,竟然还能说到素王身上。 You misinterpret the say/way of uncrowned king, but also is pleased with oneself here, this is the laughable matter! ” 你们曲解素王之道,还在这里沾沾自喜,这是何等可笑的事情啊！” This character character , as if needle same in Confucian scholar at heart. 这一字字,一句句,仿佛针一样的扎在儒生的心里。 The Mohist school most opposes is Confucianist these complicated rituals and sacrificial offerings, thinks that this is to the social resource enormous waste. 墨家最反对的就是儒家那些繁复的礼和祭祀,认为这是对社会资源极大的浪费。 tradition of Zhou that the uncrowned kings formulate, what is really very tedious, but that is to establish the Bang Zhou new system, the following grand ceremony is held are not many. 素王所制定的周礼,的确是非常的繁琐,但那是为了确立邦周新的制度,后续盛大的仪式举行的并不多。 Here Mohist school when rubs the Confucianist to reveal the reputation greatly, Mo Di saw Luo Chang with Luo Huaichen. 这边墨家在摩擦儒家大显声名的时候,墨翟随着洛怀臣见到了洛长。 In defending the concealed room. 在守藏室之中。 Is looking at present this average not wonderful person, suddenly when remembered in the past the ancestor facing the father and Confucius, is present harbors the similar mood. 望着眼前这个平平无奇的人,突然想起当年先祖面对老子和孔子时,是不是和现在的自己怀有同样的心情。 Mo Di catches the eye high and low about to look toward the four directions, the innumerable bamboo slip, the dense and numerous stacks here, his also very has mixed feelings. 墨翟抬眼向着四方上下左右看去,数不清的竹简,密密麻麻的堆积在这里,他的心情同样很是复杂。 Luo Chang has read Mo Di's book, now listens to Mo Di to tell his theory, Mohist school juniors' practice. 洛长已经读过墨翟的书,现在听着墨翟讲述他的学说,其中还有墨家子弟的实践。 Listens to listen, Luo Chang then beats time to praise to sigh: „ Universal love does not attack, this is the theory of saints and sages, can some people not be crazy? 听着听着,洛长便击节赞叹道:“兼爱非攻,这是圣贤的学说,难道有人能不为之着迷吗？ The Luo Country ducal family for several hundred years perhaps are because the universal love can be so harmonious. 洛国公室数百年来或许就是因为兼爱才能如此和睦吧。 If can use in Various Countries of Xia, the ancestor uncrowned king hopes for that the idea of the world Datong can put into practice. 如果能够用在诸夏列国之间,先祖素王希冀天下大同的想法就能够实现了。 Does the nobleness of your personal character, how many people in Various Countries of Xia have to compare favorably with? 您的品德之高尚,诸夏列国之中又有几人能够比得上呢？ The chivalrous person who the Mohist school Mohists must layer on layer/heavily gratuity, must politely call you for child to be able this solitary one to express to your respect. ” 墨家墨者都是应当重重犒赏的义士啊,孤应当尊称您为子才能表达对您的尊敬。” Luo Chang from the heart thinks that the personal character of Mohist school these people were too great, this type pinnacle benefits him, even Luo Country ducal family cannot achieve. 洛长是发自内心的认为墨家这些人的品德太伟大了,这种极致的利他,连洛国公室都做不到。 However in these words is also concealing another meaning, regarding the world Datong, the ancestor uncrowned king also can only hope for, you can realize? 但是这番话中还隐含着另外一层意思,对于天下大同,先祖素王也只能希冀,难道您能够实现吗？ Mo Di can certainly listen to the meaning in Luo Chang words, therefore the knitting the brows head of slightly, he had in fact expected, because the Luo Huaichen attitude is also so. 墨翟当然能够听出洛长话中的意思,于是微微的皱了皱眉头,实际上他早就料到了,因为洛怀臣的态度也是如此。 Luo Chang continues saying: „Mozi, you wants to make the world stable through the method of stopping fighting, this is very rare, between Wei Country and Qin Country had the war, later between Qin Country and Wei Country definitely must have the war, how can you prevent this war?” 洛长继续说道:“墨子,您想要通过止战的方法来让天下安定,这是很难得,魏国和秦国之间发生了战争,之后秦国和魏国之间必然还要发生战争,请问您要如何去阻止这一场战争呢？” Mo Di said: „The Mohist school has enough many defense sharp weapons, if Qin Country and Wei Country are unable to break through the city mutually, the monarchy will consider that the success and failure of war, the war will stop.” 墨翟说道:“墨家有足够多的守城利器,如果秦国和魏国互相无法攻破城池,君主就会思虑战争的得失,战争就会停止下来。” This saying indeed yes right, looks like Qin Country, if unable to break through Hangu Pass, he will not launch the war to Wei Country. 这话的确是没错,就像是秦国,如果无法攻破函谷关,他是不会向魏国发动战争的。 Luo Chang said with a smile: „ Mozi, your idea can only the war that prevents to launch suddenly. 洛长笑道:“墨子,您的想法只能阻止突然发动的战争。 I come to speak one to have the matter in Chu Country for you. 我来为您讲一个发生在楚国之中的事情吧。 In Chu Country, likes urging the person harmonious person, on this day he sees two people to quarrel, therefore goes forward to persuade, finally two people return to in good. 在楚国之中,有一个喜欢劝人和睦的人,这一日他见到两人争吵,于是上前劝说,最终两人重归于好。 He is very self-satisfied , he ran into two quarrelling people on the 1st again, he is then studying the previous attitude time, urges the person to become reconciled, has not actually thought that was hit by two people directly. 他很是得意,有一日,他再次遇到了两个正在争吵的人,他便学着上一次的态度,去劝人和好,却没想到直接被两人打了一顿。 Why can like this? 为什么会这样呢？ Because the first two people just because of misunderstanding to have some quarrels/corners of the mouth, but this two people are actually time because competes for the ownership of paddies. 因为第一次的两个人只不过是因为误会而发生了些许的口角而已,但是这一次的两人却是因为争夺田地的归属。 In some quarrels/corners of the mouth is the unimportant minor matter, but paddies many are relates to the important matters of two life and death, therefore he failed. 发生一些口角是不重要的小事,但田地的多少是关系到两家生死的大事,所以他失败了。 If you can make the war stop, that explained that this war itself/Ben is unnecessary. 如果您能够让战争停止,那就说明这一场战争本就是没有必要的。 But if one day, the contradictions of two countries as big as the irreconcilable until death situation, how you should do? 但是如果有一天,两个国家的矛盾已经大到不死不休的地步,那您应该如何做呢？ Perhaps in such way of the world, you ideal that wanted the universal love not to attack are realized, that also to want the difficult matter compared in years past Confucius. ” 在这样的世道之中,您想要兼爱非攻的理想实现,那恐怕是比昔年的孔子还要艰难的事情了。” Luo Chang only said the universal love does not attack, because these two are not possible, he hopes can persuade Mo Di, in this world also has the matter that needs him to handle. 洛长只说了兼爱非攻,因为这两条是不可能的,他还是希望能够劝说墨翟,这世上还有更需要他做的事情。 But this is the core of Mohist school, if lost these two, what the Mohist school and these have to distinguish for the school of thought that the political interest does have? 但这正是墨家的核心,若是失去了这两条,墨家和那些为了政治利益而存在的学派还有什么区别呢？ To the persuasion of Luo Chang, Mo Di hears word was only said lightly, „ Bang Zhou Mandate of Heaven should fall to the ground early, if not for Luo Country has been supporting, Son of Heaven in Royal Capital Surrounding can have the present free and unfettered? 对洛长的劝说,墨翟闻言只是淡淡的说了一句,“邦周的天命早该落地了,若不是洛国一直强撑着,王畿中的天子难道能有现在的逍遥吗？ Undergoing Derro marquises is the descendants of uncrowned king, knows these truth, but is insisting on doing what is impossible. 历代洛侯都是素王的后裔,想必知道这些道理,但还是在明知不可为而为之。 Although I oppose the theory of Confucianist, but Confucius is a true talented person, the body has pure that the average man does not have, perhaps this is the reason that I once studied the Confucian. ” 我虽然反对儒家的学说,但孔子是个真正的贤人,身上有常人不具备的纯粹,或许这是我曾经学儒的原因。” Luo Chang even more respects Mo Di, „you are really saints and sages, this solitary one is the mortal, presumptuously thinks to change your will unexpectedly.” 洛长愈发的倾佩墨翟,“您真是圣贤,孤不过是凡人,竟然妄想改变您的意志。” Never expected that Mo Di actually shakes the head saying: „Can accomplish is the saints and sages, looks like the uncrowned king like that is never defeated, never makes a mistake, I hope that can in defending the concealed room found itself to want.” 没想到墨翟却摇摇头道:“能成事的才是圣贤,就像是素王那般,从不失败,从不出错,我希望能够在守藏室之中找到自己想要的。” Luo Chang left here, Luo Huaichen walked, kneels to sit side Mo Di, two people are silent have not been speaking. 洛长离开了这里,洛怀臣走了进来,跪坐在墨翟身边,两人沉默着没有说话。 ...... …… The Yu 21 years, Duke discussed with Mozi. 裕公二十一年,公与墨子论道。 And stops. 及止。 Asked said: Mohists what? 问曰:墨者何也？ Duke said: Mohists, clear(ly) , Saint!- «Luo Palace Spring and Autumn Period hold learn/study» 公曰:墨者,明也,圣矣！-《洛宫春秋・盛学》 Actually although the Mohist school is the main opposition party of Confucianist, but two theories have not in a big way conflicted. 其实墨家虽然是儒家的主要反对派,但两家的理论没那么大冲突。 Withering away of Mohist school was extremely a pity, but he is doomed to wither away, preserves for him in my book, moreover does not know that everyone looks not to have, Luo and Mohist school look like very much. 墨家的消亡太过可惜,但他又是注定消亡的,就在我的书里为他保存下来吧,而且不知道大家看出来没有,洛氏和墨家很像。 ( This chapter ends) (本章完)