WIIC :: Volume #4

#161: Unclear puzzled, reaches the same goal or conclusion from different approaches


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In ten thousand immortal illusion, two summits go against the free and unfettered to face each other across a great distance. 万仙幻境之中,两位巅顶逍遥遥遥相对。 Gate lord, I never understands your meaning.” “门主,我始终不明白你的意思。” Facing Feng Luoyi inquiry in a low voice, calculates that lord a clear absent-minded appearance: What?” 面对冯落衣的低声询问,算主希柏澈一副心不在焉的样子:“什么?” His appearance is very strange. 他的样子很奇怪。 «Ten thousand Laws Calculate concealed», is the painstaking care that he and entire song courtyard sends is. Then, to him, «Ten thousand Laws Calculate concealed» vol. 1 initially becomes, should be the life celebration that is equal to pass the palace examination is right. 《万法算藏》,是他和整个歌庭派的心血所在。那么,对于他来说,《万法算藏》第一卷的初成,也应该是是等同于金榜题名的人生喜事才对。 But now, what this is great is the family/home, one generation of free overhauls, do not have the tiny bit joyful meaning unexpectedly. 可是现在,这位伟大的算家,一代逍遥大修,居然没有一丝一毫的喜悦之意。 On the contrary, on his face, filled was at a loss wearily, as if experienced the long-time journey, actually does not know why did not have to see scenery traveler who oneself wanted to look. 相反,他那张脸上,充满了疲倦迷惘,仿佛经历了长久旅途,却不知道为什么没有看到自己想要看的风景的旅人。 Feng Luoyi even felt, the old gate Lord facial features, slightly were old. 冯落衣甚至觉得,老门主的面容,都略略苍老了一些。 It is not very normal. It is not very normal. At present this fellow, like that 23 does not ask the direction world calculates the calculation say/way of family/home reveres Lord. 很不正常。很不正常。眼前这个家伙,根本不像那个二十三问指点天下算家的算道尊主。 Therefore, he asked: That 500 pages of contents, are the directions that you work, but actually absolutely is not your consistent style.” 所以,他发问了:“那五百页的内容,是您工作的方向,但是却绝对不是您一贯的风格。” That 500 pages......” clear forced smile: Is that elaboration one plus one 500 pages?” “‘那五百页’……”希柏澈苦笑:“就是那个论述‘一加一’的五百页?” I think, you do not like these things.” “我原本以为,你不喜欢那些东西的。” Although ten thousand methods roughly can be divided leave sect continually sect two schools of thought that but the school of thought is not sheet iron one. Inside also has a tinier difference. 万法门虽然大致可以分为“离宗连宗”两个思想流派,但是思想流派内部也不是铁板一块。里面还有更加细小的分歧。 The song courtyard sends to the representative of sect, but does not represent to sect song courtyard one school. 歌庭派是离宗的代表,但是也不代表离宗只有歌庭一派。 king Qi once by «The Smiling, Proud Wanderer» middle the arithmetic difference that „the struggle of sword air/Qi analogies ten thousand methods. In that Earth novel, the representative of Mount Hua air/Qi sect is the purple light merit, but many readers neglected automatically, the Mount Hua air/Qi sect actually also has other representative absolute technique, the beginning of the universe is really mad. This is because the actor's pay of purple light merit in the middle of that novel is too heavy. 王崎曾以《笑傲江湖》当中的“剑气之争”来比喻万法门的这场算学分歧。那部地球小说里,华山气宗的代表是紫霞功,但是很多读者都自动忽略了,华山气宗其实还有另外的代表绝学,混元真气。这就是因为紫霞功在那部小说当中戏份实在太重。 Similar truth. Calculates that the lord holds ten thousand laws to calculate song courtyard that the ear of family/home, he represents, naturally also became to Representative sect, other thought that belong to edge. 差不多的道理。算主执万法算家之牛耳,他所代表的歌庭,自然也就成了离宗代表,其他的思想,都属于“边缘”。 But now, did clear use a mentality of unusual edge unexpectedly? 而现在,希柏澈居然使用了一种非常边缘的思路? This sends the leader to put Yijin Jing like solemn Shaolin not to practice. Instead as majoring in the merit law is equally inconceivable the arhat fist! 这就像堂堂少林派掌门放着易筋经不练。反而将罗汉拳作为主修功法一样不可思议啊! This matter, had I also done before?” clear forced smile: Under the situation, approves the thought that I did not like temporarily.” “这种事,我以前也做过吧?”希柏澈苦笑:“迫于形势,暂时认同了我不喜欢的思想。” Feng Luoyi knows that clear refers to anything. About six years ago, clear and entire song courtyard faction. In order to deal to calculate even/including sect who Monarch Pang Jia leads, temporarily used had the possibility had/left the achievement, king Qi the mentality in a short time is also „the Bourbaki School of” on Earth calling mentality. 冯落衣知道希柏澈指的是什么。大约六年之前,希柏澈和整个歌庭派。为了应对算君庞家莱率领的连宗,暂时采用了短时间内就有可能出成果的、王崎的思路也就是地球上所称的“布尔巴基学派”的思路。 clear does not approve this thought completely. However under the situation, he accepted temporarily. 希柏澈并不完全认同这种思想。但是迫于形势,他暂时接受了。 Feng Luoyi is puzzled, asks: Who can compel you?” 冯落衣不解,问道:“谁能逼你?” No one can force me.” clear shakes the head: I am forcing me.” “没有人可以逼迫我。”希柏澈摇摇头:“我自己在逼迫我自己。” What?” “什么?” Moon/Month is cold, do you know?” clear called oneself this old friend with Feng Luoyi table character: Arithmetic. how great is big, is how inconceivable. I do now, seeks for a road, can let we arrive to main road the road.” “月寒啊,你知道吗?”希柏澈以冯落衣的表字称呼自己这位老友:“算学。何其伟大,何其不可思议。我现在做的,就只是寻找一条路,一条可以让我们抵达到‘大道’的路。” But seeks for this road merely, I am exhausted.” “但仅仅是寻找这一条路,我就已经精疲力竭。” Feng Luoyi sighed: This topic...... truly difficult solution.” 冯落衣叹道:“这个题目……确实难解。” If, the science takes the math as the tool, summarizes the rule of myriad things, from known advances unknown, then clear is doing now, takes the math as the tool. Summarizes math's rule, from math the unknown parts of some known speculation maths. Also is „the math of research math, or metamathematics. 如果说,科学是以数学为工具,总结万物之规律,从已知推到未知,那么希柏澈现在在做的,就是以数学本身为工具。总结数学本身的规律,从数学的已知部分推测数学的未知部分。也就是“研究数学的数学”,或者说“元数学”。 In this world, is called Yuan is say/way. 在这个世界,则被称为“元算道”。 If studies the myriad things, can take the math as the tool, that research math, should take that type math as the tool? 如果说研究万物,可以以数学为工具,那研究数学,又应该以那一种“数学”为工具呢? Which has branch, can investigate thoroughly the trunk in turn? 有哪一个“分支”,可以反过来穷究主干? Calculates that lord clear to face, is such a difficult problem. 算主希柏澈面对的,就是这样一个难题。 I am not clear, gate lord. You are not the person who that type will change the idea in just several years, moreover......” Feng Luoyi, asked: That 500 pages of contents, is actually who writes? I have asked fellow daoist. That is not among them anyone writes, you do not have the time to write these.” “我还是不明白,门主。你不是那种在短短几年之内就会改变想法的人,而且……”冯落衣顿了一下,又问道:“那五百页的内容,究竟是谁写的?我问过诸位道友了。那不是他们当中任何一人写的,你也没有时间去写这些。” clear smiled: Moon/Month is cold, won't you forget? Time type of thing, regarding your my boundary person, already very personalization.” 希柏澈笑了:“月寒啊,你不会忘了吧?时间这种东西,对于你我这个境界的人来说,已经非常‘个人化’了。” Feng Luoyi felt suddenly is afraid. 冯落衣突然感觉到一股不寒而栗。 In many mind, the time is the absolute equality is treating each object. However. That is only their vision looks insufficiently far. If takes a broad view at the vision in the level of heavenly body, then the time, was really only a regional thing. 在很多人的印象里,时间是绝对平等的对待着每一个物体的。但是。那只是他们的目光看得不够远而已。若是将目光放眼于天体的层面,那么时间,就真的只是一个区域性的东西了。 The strength strong and weak of immortal varies. The words of weak one, is several times in Mahayana, but the powerhouse, compares the common heavenly body to be strong. During estimation opens the spirit heavenly body, is only among the immortal powerhouse, rather than the theory is strongest. 仙人的力量强弱不一。弱者的话,也就是数倍于大乘,而强者,则比一般的天体还要强。推定当中的开灵天体,也只是仙人当中的强者,而非理论最强。 Regarding among immortal powerhouse, individual time, time of personalization, is only the natural concept. Is hundred years flickers, snapping fingers millenniums, only in their instant. 对于仙人当中的强者来说,“个人的时间”,“个性化的时间”,也只是理所当然的概念。是百年一瞬,还是弹指千年,都只在他们的一念之间。 In this case, society naturally also became one not the thing that is possible to realize. 这种情况下,“社会”自然也就成了一个不可能实现的东西。 Feng Luoyi asked: How much time did you give yourself to make?” 冯落衣问道:“你到底给自己制造了多少时间?” Calculates that the lord shakes the head: Does not remember. This does possibly remember? Probably...... about ten years?” 算主摇摇头:“不记得了。这个怎么可能记得呢?大概……十年左右?” Feng Luoyi relaxes. Ten years, fortunately, but also in the acceptable range. 冯落衣松了一口气。十年,还好,还在可接受范围之内。 Because if a long-term person closes up, but makes clear the thought enter the impasse, that is the loss of entire divine land. 若是因为长时间的一个人闭关,而使得希柏澈的思维走入死胡同,那就是整个神州的损失。 clear sighed: In these time, I alone pondered, a person seeks for the say/way of collapsing, proof times overthrow itself once again. Finally, I as if realized, this is incorrect. I intelligence that is far from me imagining. Perhaps, I should start from the thing of some most foundation......” 希柏澈叹息道:“在那些时间里,我一个人思考,一个人寻找破局之道,一次次的证明又一次次的自己推翻自己。最后,我似乎意识到了,这样是不行的。我远没有我想象的聪明。或许,我应该从一些最基础的东西做起……” Feng Luoyi knits the brows: Most foundation? On these...... stupid incomparable proof?” 冯落衣皱眉:“最基础?就那些……蠢笨无比的论证?” I counted on that inside has ‚the say/way of collapsing.” “我指望里面有‘破局之道’。” In fact?” “实际上呢?” clear sighed: I had not found. These proof, even if by my own looks up, is......” 希柏澈叹了口气:“我还没有找到。这些论证,就算是以我自己的看光来看,都是……” Chaos, anything has not said clearly.” Feng Luoyi be relentless criticized one. “混混沌沌,什么都没有讲清楚。”冯落衣毫不留情的批判了一句。 clear shakes the head: At least I in standard set theory it......”, but, he discovered, the expression of oneself this old friend, did present one puzzled and...... angry? 希柏澈摇摇头:“至少我在规范集合论本身……”可是,他发现,自己这位老朋友的表情,却出现了一丝不解和……愤怒? Moreover isn't to his? 而且不是对着他的? What's the matter? 怎么回事? king Qi puts out a hand, has delimited in that straight line of index finger in ground in together: Point, straight line and corner/horn that yesterday I and you spoke, vertical and parallel, picture day of these concepts, did you still remember?” 王崎伸出手,用食指在地面上的那一道直线上划过:“昨天我与你讲的点、直线、角、垂直、平行、画天式这些概念,你都还记得吧?” Gou Dabao nods, in the eye has several points devotionally color. 苟大宝点点头,眼睛中已经带了几分“虔诚”的色彩。 Today is instructing the 4 th day. The 2nd day the 3rd day, king Qi taught Gou Dabao all foundation concepts of geometry. Now, he can strike one's chest the guarantee, this exiled the immortal to have approximately the geometry attainments of elementary school sixth grade level, even can jump the ranks with the pass student of 1 st last semester contend, if met the junior middle school study dregs, even can achieve the effect of sweeping away! 今天已经是授业的第四日。第二日第三日,王崎就将几何学的所有基础概念都教给了苟大宝。现在,他可以拍着胸脯保证,这位谪仙已经拥有了大约小学六年级水平的几何学造诣,甚至能够越级和初一上学期的普通学生一较高下,若是遇上初中学渣,甚至可以达到横扫的效果! Only to achieve this effect, king Qi wasted two days. 光是为了达到这种效果,王崎就足足浪费了两天的时间。 Roche how much and Li how much?” “罗氏几何和黎氏几何呢?” Mister, that was extremely difficult, I understood 12 slightly, actually can not its......” “先生,那个太过困难了,我只是略略了解了一二,却根本不得其门……” Gou Dabao the spoken language could have been called respect. Why does not know, present he has a mood of worship to king Qi, already no longer few days ago sarcastic comments. 苟大宝的言语已经称得上“崇敬”了。不知为何,现在的他对王崎有一种崇拜的情绪,早已不复前些日子的冷言冷语。 To him, king Qi is the person who gives him the life new brilliance. This age is insufficient he half of fellows, opened a window to brand-new boundary for him. 对于他来说,王崎是给予他生命新的光彩的人。这个年纪不足他一半的家伙,为他打开了一扇通往全新境界的窗户。 Approximately knows that was good. Today I come to you say in the middle of that arithmetic reaching the same goal or conclusion from different approaches the truth, is to further you explained that arithmetic has comfortable, shortcut or it is a thing.” “大约知道就好了。今日我就来给你说一说那算学当中‘殊途同归’的道理,算是进一步向你说明‘算学’自有自在、近道或者本身就是道化之物。” king Qi has not called on Gou Dabao to grasp what content. In the final analysis, his goal does not make this exile the immortal to grasp anything, but makes Gou Dabao be able to understand the math, no longer repels to the math, solves the problem in his mind, making him cultivation ten thousand methods to amend the law the barrier to be smaller. 王崎并没有要求苟大宝一定要掌握什么内容。说到底,他的目的也不是让这位谪仙掌握什么,而是让苟大宝能够理解数学,对数学不再排斥,解决他心灵上的问题,使他修炼万法门修法的障碍小一些。 But regarding king Qi, this process, is he stops the footsteps temporarily, combs the concept well the process. This process has no profit to help to his academic standard, but can actually promote the training in his mind, and makes his assurance to the arithmetic and feeling more profound. 而对于王崎来说,这个过程,也是他暂时停下脚步,好好梳理自身观念的过程。这个过程对他的学术水平没有任何益助,但是却可以提升他心灵上的修养,并且让他对算学的把握、感觉更深刻。 Preparation must not delay performance. king Qi does that does not have the advantage to him now, boost that not necessarily will not actually lead a pious life in the future. 正所谓磨刀不误砍柴工。王崎这么做,对他现在没有好处,却未必不是日后修行的助力。 Gou Dabao, you have also noticed, right. The geometry of person clan, first had the Euclidean gometry and picture day law, latter has Li, Roche's how much. Existing curvature zero, latter has the curvature just, curvature to lose, right?” “苟大宝,想必你也已经注意到了,对吧。人族的几何学,先是有了欧氏几何、画天之法,后有黎氏、罗氏的几何。现有曲率零,后有曲率正、曲率负,对吧?” Gou Dabao nods: Yes.” 苟大宝点点头:“是也。” Then you whether believes that this is the only correct path of development geometry?” “那么你是否认为,这是发展几何学的唯一正道?” Shaking the head that Gou Dabao has doubts: Disciple is really not clear, how to present another road in addition......” 苟大宝疑惑的摇摇头:“弟子实在是不明白,如何才会出现除此之外的另一条路……” king Qi asked back: In your eyes, the world is straight, is?” 王崎反问:“在你的眼中,世界就是平直的,是不是?” Gou Dabao wants saying that this rubbish, although his immortal remnant soul transmits some concepts indistinctly, making him feel that this indication is unreliable, but, the immortal has not been clear about the concept to the curved space-time, they are just because exist greatly, therefore does not need mathematical type of tool, can the visual observation space, that is all, therefore Gou Dabao could not say a reason why. Finally, he also can only nod: Yes 苟大宝很想说“这不废话吗”,虽然他的仙人残魂隐隐约约传来一些观念,让他觉得这个表述并不可靠,但是,仙人本身都对弯曲时空没有明确概念,他们只不过是因为自身存在过于伟大,所以不需要数学这种工具,就可以直接观察空间,仅此而已,因此苟大宝也说不出个所以然来。最终,他也只能点点头:“是” That. If I told you. In the middle of this universe, other descendants, to space the concept and person clan are completely different, finally actually arrived in the similar boundary, do you believe?”( To be continued.) “那么。我若是告诉你。这宇宙当中,还有其他族裔,对空间的观念与人族完全不同,最终却抵达了相似的境界,你信吗?”(未完待续。) ps: First is late, the embarrassed mobile phone user please visit http://m.piaotian.net ps:第一更晚了点,不好意思手机用户请访问http://m.piaotian.net
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