ROEWR :: Volume #17

#1606: Question and rebuttal


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Teng fast the road show, attracted the attention of global it elite. 滕迅路演,吸引了全球it精英的关注。 Actually even the attention, these international it giants, do not need to come personally. 其实就算关注,这些国际it巨头,也没必要亲自来。 Reason that makes them catch up personally, actually is not only Teng fast, because clears out rapid current wielding Li Dong! 之所以让他们亲自赶来的,其实不仅仅是滕迅,更因为滕迅的现任执掌者李东! titanlee this given name, now in the world is the synonym of legend. titanlee这个名号,如今在全球都是传奇的代名词。 The global richest family, year only 24 years old, starts from scratch, each war must win...... 全球首富,年仅24周岁,白手起家,每战必胜…… These words and expressions, have struck root in the hearts of the people, makes the big entrepreneurs in the world analyze Li Dong sufficiently, regards as important Li Dong. 这些词语,早就深入人心,也足以让全世界的大企业家去分析李东,去看重李东。 The industry of distant place, although without the complete layout arrives in the world, may light/only be the micro blog and WeChat, makes everyone attach great importance to sufficiently. 远方的产业,尽管没有全部布局到全球,可光是微博和微信,就足以让所有人重视。 faebook Zuckerberg, the crest of wave was just abundant in the two years, before the international IT industry actually vision projected that side him. faebook的扎克伯格,原本这两年风头正盛,之前国际it行业其实目光都投射在他那边。 But Huaxia here distant place, rises suddenly, enters the industry by the industry, quickly makes the industry in a big way. 可华夏这边的远方,猛然崛起,由实业进入it产业,迅速将it产业做大。 By the present, big of global business, no one will say oneself do not know Li Dong. 到了如今,全球商界的大咖,没人会说自己不知道李东的。 But Zuckerberg this IT industry nova, the position is also displaced now, the hope that by Li Dong seizes small and small. 而扎克伯格这个it行业新星,如今地位也被李东取而代之,夺回来的希望小之又小。 The elites of some it, have actually wanted to see Li Dong. 一些it界的精英,其实早就想见一见李东。 What a pity, in recent years, except for 06 years, Li Dong went to Europe to transfer, three years have not left the country. 可惜,这些年来,除了06年,李东去了欧洲转了一圈,已经三年没有出过国门。 To see Li Dong difficulty, compared with seeing Bill Gates these person wanting difficult many. 想见李东的难度,比见比尔盖茨这些人都要难的多。 At Teng Xunfu, will soon perform the world's largest hi-tech stock finance program, 09 years, the financial crisis influence has not passed, these it giants, wants to have a look, can this miracle appear. 恰好,适逢滕迅复牌,即将上演全球最大的科技股融资计划,09年,金融危机影响还没过去,这些it巨头,也想看看,这次奇迹会不会出现。 Finally, in the situation that in all parties have not contacted beforehand, these weight figures almost caught up as if by prior agreement. 最终,在各方没有事先联络的情况下,这些重量级人物几乎不约而同地赶了过来。 ...... …… The giant internationally, actually has very big origin with Huaxia. 国际上的it巨头,其实和华夏这边还是有很大渊源的。 Before thunder handsome, has run Joyo.com, but in thunder handsome the hand, was also purchased by Amazon remarkably. 雷俊之前执掌过卓越网,而卓越也是在雷俊手上,被亚马逊收购的。 President Tan Haiying of distant commercial city, before with a Eachnet of Shao wave of establishment, was purchased by ebay. 远方商城的总裁谭海英,之前和邵一波创立的易趣,也是被ebay收购的。 Moreover some Internet enterprises of Huaxia, the back has the investment international financial institution to support, but these financial institutions, also invested the world famous it enterprise. 另外华夏的一些互联网企业,背后都有投资国际金融机构支持,而这些金融机构,同样也投资了国际知名it企业。 Today the investors of most financial institutions also arrive, has them, quick time, even if each other were not familiar, no meets the time, these global it elites each other were familiar, chatted. 今天大部分金融机构的投资者也都到了,有他们在,很快的工夫,哪怕彼此原本不熟悉,没一会工夫,这些全球it精英都彼此熟悉了起来,畅聊了起来。 At clearing out rapid meeting, did not chat Li Dong obviously is not possible. 在滕迅的推介会上,不聊李东显然是不可能的。 When Zuckerberg mentioned Li Dong, in the crowd, horse Yun said with a smile with the fluent English: „ Mark, do not say titanlee this title before him. 当扎克伯格提到李东的时候,人群中,马昀操着流畅的英语笑道:“mark,千万别在他面前说titanlee这个称谓。 Have not come to the end he and Forbes's dispute to the present, if you do not want to be entangled by him, called his Li Dongwei to be good directly. ” 他和福布斯的纠纷到现在还没告一段落,你要是不想被他缠上的话,还是直接叫他李东为好。” Li Dong......” “李东……” Zuckerberg is actually not strange to Chinese, his present girlfriend is the Chinese, although his girlfriend Chinese is also ordinary, but the family member elder of girlfriend is familiar with exchange in Chinese, under Zager Bergh is influenced by what one sees and hears, although cannot say, can understand. 扎克伯格其实对汉语并不陌生,他现在的女朋友就是华裔,虽然他女朋友汉语也就一般,可女朋友的家人长辈还是习惯用汉语交流,扎格伯格耳濡目染之下,虽然不太会说,还是能听懂的。 Talked over the Li Dong name in not too skilled Chinese, Zuckerberg nods to say very much earnestly: Since Li does not like, I called him Chinese name.” 用不太熟练的汉语念叨了一下李东的名字,扎克伯格很认真地点头道:“既然李不喜欢,那我就叫他中文名。” Saw him earnestly, others smiled, Li Yan hong said with a smile in the one side: „ Does he actually like indifferently, if you can bring the benefit to him, calling him anything to be good. 见他认真了起来,其他人纷纷笑了起来,李彦红在一旁笑道:“他其实无所谓喜欢不喜欢,如果你能给他带来利益,叫他什么都行。 It is not able to bring the benefit for him, he bears a grudge very much. ” 无法为他带来利益,他这个人很记仇的。” Ha haha......” “哈哈哈……” The people laugh again, the elite on the scene, is almost English passes. 众人再次大笑起来,在场的it精英,几乎都是英语通。 Does it, generally the school record cannot be too low, many people have the abroad study experience, in addition often has to do with these capital organizations, almost everyone can speak a mouth skilled English. 搞it的,一般学历不会太低,很多人还有留学经历,加上时常和这些资本机构打交道,几乎人人能说一嘴熟练的英文。 In Hong Kong, met with the foreign capital, actually is almost speaking English, is this point and patriotic actually does not have the too big relations. 在香江,与外资见面,其实几乎都在说英文,这一点和爱国不爱国其实没有太大的关系。 Under this situation, must add something superfluous and ruin the effect, making the translator conduct the translation, instead trouble. 这种场合下,非要画蛇添足,让翻译进行翻译,反而麻烦。 Naturally, in some inland public places, spoke particularly publicly, if these people added English at this time, must encounter denounces. 当然,在内地一些公众场合下,尤其是公开发言,如果这时候这些人还说英文,恐怕就要遭到声讨了。 Several people chatted a meeting, that vice-president in Amazon asked on own initiative: „ Couple days ago, the distant place announced the result of their electronic mall, two quarters, the volume of trade was 20 billion dollars. 几人聊了一会,亚马逊的那位副总就主动问道:“前几天,远方公布了他们电子商城的成绩,两个季度,交易额达到了200亿美金。 The e-commerce market of Huaxia, the development speed was probably too quick. ” 华夏的电子商务市场,发展速度好像过快了。” This saying, actually has many question flavors in inside. 这话,其实是带有不少质疑的味道在里面的。 Two quarters, 20 billion dollars earning, about 140 billion Renminbi. 两个季度,200亿美金的营收,将近1400亿人民币了。 In fact, the distant place on this, has not made a false report many, b2c adds on the c2c volume of trade, the real volume of trade indeed achieved over 130 billion. 实际上,远方在这上面,并没有多虚报多少,b2c加上c2c交易额,真实交易额的确达到了1300亿以上。 But this speed, is very indeed terrorist. 可这种速度,的确很恐怖。 In 07, the Huaxia net buys the market, altogether scale also about 100 billion. 要知道,在07年的时候,华夏网购市场,总共规模也就千亿左右。 08 years, existence because of distant place, the development speed were quicker than the previous generation, pull out the treasure and distant place created over 100 billion volumes of trade, finally the entire net bought the deal size of market to achieve over 300 billion. 08年,因为远方的存在,发展速度比前世快不少,掏宝和远方都创造了千亿以上的交易额,最终整个网购市场的交易规模达到了3000亿以上。 But now 09 years just passing half, the distant place was known as that the net bought the market transaction volume to achieve 140 billion, before Ali here, announced, the volume of trade achieved 100 billion. 可现在09年刚过去一半,远方号称网购市场交易额达到了1400亿,阿里这边之前也宣布,交易额达到了1000亿。 In addition the data of other platforms, were only 09 the first half of the year, the net of Huaxia buys the market size to be flat with last year, close to 300 billion. 再加上其他平台的数据,光是09年上半年,华夏的网购市场规模就和去年持平,接近3000亿大关。 According to this development speed, the whole year later, the net of Huaxia buys the market size finally, may break through 650 billion Renminbi, even over 100 billion US dollars. 按照这个发展速度,全年下来,最后华夏的网购市场规模,可能会突破6500亿人民币,甚至超过1000亿美元大关。 This point, makes one not dare to believe. 这一点,是让人不敢置信的。 Then how many years? 这才几年? The net of Huaxia buys the platform, actually does not have the morning that the overseas make, even if the present recognized first ancestor Eachnet, establish time also in 99 years. 华夏的网购平台,其实没有国外做的早,哪怕是现在公认的鼻祖易趣,成立时间也在99年了。 But Amazon is founded in 19 95, ebay is also founded in 19 95, compared with Huaxia early many, Shao wave of returning to homeland founds Eachnet, actually at that time was also following ebay. 而亚马逊成立于95年,ebay也是成立于95年,都要比华夏这边早不少,邵一波回国创建易趣,其实当时也是在跟风ebay。 At the beginning of Shao wave of returning to homeland, the slogan of foreign propaganda builds ebay of Huaxia. 邵一波回国之初,对外宣传的口号就是打造华夏的ebay。 Thus it can be seen, the Huaxia e-commerce market started compared with the overseas late the minimum about five years. 由此可见,华夏电子商务市场起步比国外晚了起码五年左右。 But now, Huaxia is only the net buys this, one year later, the volume of trade breaks through 100 billion US dollars hopefully, in fact this data, has surpassed the US. 可现在,华夏光是网购这一块,一年下来,交易额就有希望突破1000亿美元,实际上这个数据,已经超越了美国。 As a Elder Brother of e-commerce domain, Amazon these years, the performance increase is also good, 08 years of Amazon annual income 20 billion US dollars. 作为电子商务领域的一哥,亚马逊这些年来,业绩增幅也不错,08年亚马逊全年收入200亿美元。 In the first two quarters of this year, the Amazon earning was 13 billion US dollars, the increase is very high. 今年前两个季度,亚马逊营收达到了130亿美元,涨幅已经很高了。 May be the global e-business platform, finally In the blink of an eye, by distant place flinging far, who can believe? 可作为全球性电子商务平台,结果一眨眼的工夫,就被远方给甩远了,谁敢相信? The distant place makes the business of Huaxia now, the expense potential of Huaxia, the net buys the development speed, is so quick? 要知道,远方现在只是做华夏的业务,华夏的消费潜力,网购发展速度,真有这么快吗? Regarding the data of distant announcement, the world is actually paying attention. 对于远方公布的数据,其实全球都在关注。 Is known as a half year of earning 20 billion US dollars distant place electronic business companies, actually the moisture content in a big way, this is also the place that many people questioned. 号称半年营收200亿美元的远方电子商务公司,水分究竟有多大,这也是不少人质疑的地方。 Amazon is the question, nearby Meg entirely does not believe. 亚马逊这边是质疑,一旁的梅格则是完全不相信。 Why? 为什么? Because as the former world e-business platform ranked the second, ebay the first half of the year earning wanted less than 5 billion US dollars. 因为作为之前全球排名第二的电子商务平台,ebay上半年的营收只要50亿美元不到。 Distant a half year of earning, that is the percentage hundred exceeds their whole year the performance. 远方半年的营收,那是百分百超过他们全年的业绩。 Naturally, Meg at this moment has left job from ebay, although does not believe at heart, has not actually said anything. 当然,此刻的梅格已经从ebay离职,尽管心里不相信,却是没有开口说什么。 They do not believe, horse Yun is actually a face sincere say/way: „ The market of Huaxia is broad, is the bright future! 他们不相信,马昀却是一脸正色道:“华夏的市场是广阔的,也是前途光明的! Huaxia, has the world's most population, has to be above the potential of imagination. 华夏,拥有世界最多的人口,也拥有超乎想象的潜力。 Data that the distant electronic business company published, 20 billion US dollars, that includes their c2c businesses. 远方电子商务公司公布的数据,200亿美元,那是包括他们的c2c业务。 Said the b2c platform purely, according to my understanding, distant commercial city in the first two quarters earning, exceeded 13 billion US dollars. 单纯说b2c平台,根据我的了解,远方商城前两个季度营收,也超过了130亿美元。 Naturally, now what the distant place walks is the road of meager profit but high turnover, profit you are not high. 当然,远方现在走的是薄利多销的路,利润没有你们高。 May in Huaxia, the e-commerce actually also be in the sprouting period, has not arrived at blossoming and bearing fruit time...... ” 可在华夏,电子商务其实还处于萌芽期,并未到开花结果的时候……” As the entrepreneur of Huaxia, can in compete with Li Dong in secret, questioned the genuine and fake of Li Dong data, at this time, facing international giant, even if were really the false data, that also real. 作为华夏的企业家,可以在私底下和李东较劲,质疑李东数据的真假,这时候,面对国际巨头,哪怕真是假的数据,那也是真的。 Let alone, the distant commercial city in the first half of the year the earning 90 billion Renminbi are the facts, as the b2c platform, the self-management business achieves this scale, is the pride of Huaxia, this is actual. 何况,远方商城上半年营收900亿人民币是事实,作为b2c平台,自营业务做到这个规模,也是华夏的骄傲,这本来就是实际存在的。 However the profit margin of distant place is very indeed low, like ebay, the earning 5 billion dollars, the profit actually reaches as high as 1.2 billion dollars in the first half of the year, 24 profit margins. 不过远方的利润率的确很低,像ebay,上半年营收50亿美金,利润却是高达12亿美金,24的利润率。 Naturally, ebay is actually the exceptional case, the profit margin of Amazon is not high, with distant place almost. 当然,ebay其实是特例,亚马逊的利润率也不高,和远方这边差不多。 Yet now, everyone does not look at the profit, regarding the investor, profit many, that is the later matter. 可如今,大家不看利润,对于投资者而言,利润多少,那是以后的事。 The urgent matter, seizes the market, increases the earning, the layout is perfect. 当务之急,是抢占市场,增加营收,布局完善。 Profit thing, when you seized the market, that is sooner or later matter. 利润这东西,当你把市场抢占了,那是迟早的事。 the ebay high profit margin, instead restricted their development, the multiple charging criteria, making them be hard to expand, in the expansion step of the world, received very big restriction. ebay的高利润率,反而制约了他们的发展,多重收费标准,让他们难以扩张,在世界各地的扩张步伐,受到了很大的制约。 At the rout of Huaxia, is actually the evident proof. 在华夏的溃败,其实就是明证。 horse Yun said, nearby thunder handsome as the helmsman of former Joyo.com, opened the mouth to say at this moment: „ Miles, in Huaxia, there is a saying without the investigation , there would be no right to speak. 马昀这边说完,一旁的雷俊作为之前卓越网的掌舵人,此刻也开口道:“miles,在华夏,有句话叫没有调查就没有发言权。 Questioned a business data of enterprise casually, the premise was you have the detailed evidence to show, this data was indeed false. 随便质疑一家企业的商业数据,前提是你有详细的佐证去证明,这个数据的确是假的。 If not, that is real. 如果没有,那就是真实的。 amazon indeed does is very good, this no one will deny, but, you must acknowledge, the distant commercial city does is better. amazon的确做的很好,这点没人会去否认,但是,你们也要承认,远方商城做的更好。 Sole from the income proved enterprise good and is not good, is actually not comprehensive. 单一的从收入来证明企业的好与不好,其实是不全面的。 However, the pattern of distant place, received the high praises of all consumers, proved to all e-commerce domain enterprises their value, this point, makes us learn/study sufficiently, do you feel? ” 但是,远方的模式,受到了所有消费者的好评,也向所有电子商务领域企业证明了他们的价值,这一点,就足以让我们去学习,你觉得呢?” Was refuted by two people one after another, the vice-president hesitation moment of Amazon, has not argued, but is the nod apologizes: „ Sorry, was I am extremely one-sided. 接连被两人反驳,亚马逊的副总沉吟片刻,没有争辩,而是点头致歉道:“抱歉,是我太过片面了。 However amazon in business of Huaxia, although there is an increase, but increase not big...... ” 不过amazon在华夏的业务,虽然有增幅,可增幅不大……” thunder handsome speechless say/way: That is because increase that side distant place!” 雷俊无语道:“那是因为涨幅都在远方那边!” As the former eldest child of Joyo.com, mentioned this saying in this situation, thunder handsome very did not have the face. 作为卓越网的前任老大,在这场合说起这话,雷俊还是挺没脸的。 Although he had left job from Joyo.com, but Joyo.com falls behind in the two years gradually is the indisputable fact, with ding-dong, the past overlord enterprises of these two e-commerce domains, starts to fall behind now. 虽然他已经从卓越网离职了,可卓越网这两年渐渐掉队是不争的事实,和当当一样,这两家电子商务领域的当年霸主企业,现在都开始掉队了。 The distant place, Ali is the present e-commerce overlord. 远方,阿里才是现在的电商霸主。 Then is not remarkable ding-dong, Jingdong that but rose recently. 接下来也不是卓越当当,而是新近崛起的京东。 But remarkable ding-dong, at this time also can only with red child these platforms, together situated in the third camp. 而卓越当当,这时候也只能和红孩子这些平台,共同处于第三线阵营了。 Moreover now the past Huaxia e-commerce first ancestor Eachnet, falls behind is fiercer, almost soon withdrew from the Huaxia market comprehensively. 另外当年的华夏电商鼻祖易趣,现在掉队的更厉害,几乎快要全面撤出华夏市场了。 thunder handsome words, others have not spoken. 雷俊的话一出,其他人都没怎么说话。 horse Yun had not said that increase him, after all pulls out valuable majority is the c2c businesses, at this time in these b2c businesses for the lord enterprise in front, said that the increase does not have the significance in his side. 马昀也没说涨幅在他这边,毕竟掏宝大部分都是c2c业务,这时候在这些b2c业务为主的企业面前,说涨幅在他那边也没意义。 Let alone c2c this third party platform, cannot even do the self-management business of distant place, said instead disgraced. 何况连c2c这种第三方平台,都干不过远方的自营业务,说出来反而丢人。 What they consider is the market, is ranking, but the emphasis point that others consider is different. 他们这些人考虑的是市场,是排名,而其他人考虑的侧重点则是不同。 In crowd, some investors, consideration is actually the market value. 人群中,一些投资方,考虑的却是市值。 Amazon the performance increase is not low this year, two quarter earnings are 13 billion US dollars, in the second quarter after the financial statement announced that fierce that the market value of Amazon rose, has reached 38 billion US dollars now, attacked 40 billion US dollars hopefully quickly. 亚马逊今年业绩涨幅不低,两个季度营收达到130亿美元,二季度财报公布之后,亚马逊的市值涨的厉害,现在已经达到了380亿美元,有望很快冲击400亿美元大关。 If the data of distant place is real reliable, that distant commercial city goes on the market, how many can the market value achieve? 如果远方的数据都是真实可靠的,那远方商城上市,市值能达到多少? Now is also only Huaxia, if the distant commercial city then expands, makes the worldwide basis platform, that was more fearful. 现在还只是华夏这边,远方商城如果接下来再扩张下去,做世界性的平台,那就可怕多了。 Before Li Dong boast words, are confirmed now probably, Li Dong was perhaps not boasting. 之前李东的一些吹嘘话语,现在好像都被证实,李东也许并不是在吹嘘。 Even if now, does not look at the worldwide scale the influence, the light looks at the data, the distant place has exceeded Amazon, becomes the world's first e-business platform. 哪怕现在,不看世界范围的影响力,光看数据,远方已经超越亚马逊,成为了全球第一的电子商务平台。 So long as the distant place around the world conducts some layouts, expands the overall influence, once goes on the market, the market value exceeds Amazon, is almost inevitable. 只要远方在世界范围内进行一些布局,扩大整体影响力,那一旦上市,市值超越亚马逊,几乎是必然的。 Thinks that e-business platform, the people could not bear think of Teng fast. 想到电子商务平台,众人又忍不住想到了滕迅。 Since the e-commerce achieved this situation, although Teng fast present most businesses also limit to domestic, really can't create the miracle? 既然电子商务做到了这地步,滕迅虽然现在大部分业务也都局限于国内,难道真的不能创造奇迹? Can't 5 billion Hong Kong dollar pricing, the conservative market value 300 billion Hong Kong dollars, about 40 billion US dollars, really achieve? 50亿港币定价,保守市值3000亿港币,400亿美元左右,真的达不到? When everyone ponders, the entrance that side hears a slight noise sound. 就在大家沉思的时候,门口那边传来一阵细微的喧嚣声。 In the crowd some people open the mouth saying: Li came!” 紧接着,人群中就有人开口道:“李总来了!” „......” “……” The voices of these people fall, the entrance place, Li Dong the clear and resonant voice has said with a smile: Welcome arrival, neglected, last night a little recognized the bed, gotten up is too late, just ate a thing, never expected that the time will draw near, is sorry!” 这些人的话音落下,门口处,李东已经朗声笑道:“欢迎诸位的到来,怠慢了,昨晚有点认床,起的太晚,刚刚去吃了点东西,没想到时间都快到了,抱歉抱歉!” Speech time, Li Dong looks all around, discovered that the entire multipurpose hall is almost fully occupied, on the face shows the smile that wipes to give birth for the first time. 说话的时候,李东环顾一圈,发现整个多功能大厅几乎人满为患,脸上不由露出一抹开怀的笑容。 This is the good beginning! 这是好的开端! Few that the road show, actually comes shyly, is thin crash-bang, the atmosphere cannot drive. 路演,其实就怕人来的少,稀里哗啦的,气氛都带动不起来。 The people more than one, competing with the psychology are stronger, when the time comes, so long as the too big accident, the stock is welcomed is inevitable. 人一多,竞争心理越强,到时候,只要不出太大的岔子,股票受到欢迎是必然的。 The original plan is to invite 300 people, now, far more than 300 people, Li Dongguang is looks, knows that the person will not be lower than 500 people. 原定计划是邀请300人,现在,何止300人,李东光是看一圈,就知道来人不会低于500人。 In Hong Kong, can have such big scale, is more than everyone expected. 在香江,能有这么大的规模,已经超出大家的预期。 Greeted one simply, Li Dong has not gone to that side the investor, but walks toward horse sunlight these people, the arrivals of these people, he has received the message. 简单招呼了一声,李东没去投资者那边,而是朝马昀这些人走去,这些人的到来,他早就收到消息了。
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