With Elon the Musk words saying, the technology is to pile up one on top of another mostly, moreover between the technology and technology, look like making the arrangement, the technology that in your hand masters are more, the pattern that you can play are also more. 用埃隆・马斯克的话说,技术大都是堆叠出来的,而且技术与技术之间,就像是在做排列组合,你手里掌握的技术越多,你能玩出的花样也就越多。 Elon Musk has made the next dimension in the pursue the matter, for example the new energy automobile and self-piloting, may recycle the rocket, even delivers to sparks/Mars human. 埃隆・马斯克一直在追求做下一个次元的事情,比如新能源汽车、自动驾驶、可回收火箭,甚至把人类送到火星。 While this time comes Yanjing to discuss that following Tesla moves into China, as well as Tesla and cooperation of other Li Mu automobile brands, Elon Musk after Li Mu has eaten meal together, is actually drawing Li Mu, had a lengthy conversation in his hotel room knee-to-knee was very long. 趁着这次来燕京讨论接下来的特斯拉迁入华夏,以及特斯拉与李牧其他汽车品牌的合作,埃隆・马斯克在跟李牧一起吃过饭之后,硬是拉着李牧,在他的酒店房间里促膝长谈了很久。 He first with the importance that the Li Mu popular science the technology piled up one on top of another, the topic from the automobile starts to mention as before. 他先是跟李牧科普了技术堆叠的重要性,话题依旧是从汽车开始说起。 He said to Li Mu: „Chief Li, technical thing is very actually interesting, you looked, if we gave a car(riage) to install the auto-adapted cruise, we can take advantage of opportunity based on auto-adapted cruise radar, developed pre- collision system.” 他对李牧说:“李总,其实技术这个东西真的很有趣,你看,如果我们给一辆车安装了自适应巡航,我们就能顺势在自适应巡航的雷达硬件基础上,开发预碰撞系统。” Li Mu said: „Big you do not make me go home in the evening, to give my popular automobile technology?” 李牧说:“大晚上你不让我回家,就为了给我普及汽车技术？” Musk said with a smile: „You looked, I was the plan first start to say from the automobile technology.” 马斯克笑道:“你看,我是打算先从汽车技术开始说嘛。” Li Mu said: „I understand your meaning, today makes a light bulb, tomorrow will make a battery, combined to become the flashlight, two days of restoration electrical machinery, have made the battery skewer same place, was an electric car, you were this meaning, was?” 李牧说:“我懂你的意思,今天造出个灯泡,明天造出个电池,组合起来就成手电筒了,过两天再造个电机,多弄点电池串一起,就是一辆电动车了,你就是这个意思,是不是？” Musk nods: „Almost......” 马斯克点点头:“差不多吧……” Li Mu smiles: „How I possibly cannot study the battery to store up the electric quantity, but how the battery should use, I know in heart, you are drawing stealthily my actually wants to say anything, you spoke frankly simply.” 李牧笑了笑:“我可能研究不出来电池到底是怎么储存电量的,但电池应该怎么用,我心里有数,你拉着我鬼鬼祟祟的到底想说什么,你干脆直说。” Musk discovered oneself were seen through by Li Mu, smiles awkwardly, said: „Chief Li, actually I want to chat with you, matter of space exploration.” 马斯克发现自己被李牧识破,尴尬一笑,说:“李总,其实我是想跟你聊一聊,太空探索的事。” „Space exploration Ah?” Li Mu curious asking: „Searches?” “太空探索啊？”李牧好奇的问道:“探哪？” Musk busy say/way: „Searches other photostars, for example sparks/Mars.” 马斯克忙道:“探其他星体啊,比如火星。” Li Mu said: „This matter isn't nasa doing? Also getting angry star rover, what do you also search?” 李牧说:“这事nasa不是在干了吗？还发了火星探测车,你还去探什么？” Musk said earnestly: „Nasa delivered to sparks/Mars Mars Rover, but has not delivered to sparks/Mars, my goal is first to deliver to sparks/Mars, then tries immigrant sparks/Mars to plan.” 马斯克认真道:“nasa只是把火星车送到了火星,但没把人送到火星,我的目标是先把人送到火星,然后再尝试移民火星计划。” Li Mu gawked staring, previous life had heard your immigrant sparks/Mars planned, but to my rebirth, has not seen you to deliver to sparks/Mars to come up...... 李牧愣了愣,上辈子听说过你这个移民火星计划,但一直到我重生,也没见你把人送到火星上去啊…… Therefore Li Mu asks him: „How do you plan to do this matter?” 于是李牧开口问他:“你打算怎么干成这件事？” Musk said: „Naturally depends on spacex, the direction that we study now mainly may the launch vehicle of recycle, moreover our rocket future carrying capacity constantly will certainly be enhanced, emulates to the nasa Saturn V, even outraces Saturn V.” 马斯克说:“当然是依托spacex,我们现在研究的方向主要就是可循环使用的运载火箭,而且我们火箭将来的运载能力一定会不断增强,向nasa的土星五号看齐,甚至超越土星五号。” „Once we realized heavy may recycle the rocket, we each kilogram occurrence cost, might reduce so far launches 1/10 of mainstream cost to be even lower.” “一旦我们实现了重型可回收火箭,我们每公斤的发生成本,就有可能降低到目前发射主流成本的十分之一甚至更低。” „As the matter stands, we had foundation that goes to sparks/Mars.” “这样一来,我们就有了去火星的基础。” „For example, we make one to arrive at sparks/Mars log in spaceship, then uses us to be possible the launch vehicle of circulation launch, unceasing launches the space station module at the outer space, establishes a large space station on the outer space track, this process drives a truck like you, can construct building materials of house one after another, transports/fortunes Yanjing from the harbor of Jinshi, constructs a house probably to need on several hundred tons building materials, your truck possible only to be able one time the carrying capacity five tons, therefore you need travel at least 50-60 times in Jinshi and Yanjing.” “比如,我们造一艘可以到火星登陆的太空飞船,然后利用我们可循环发射的运载火箭,不断的向太空发射空间站组件,在太空轨道上建立一个大型空间站,这个过程就像你开一辆卡车,陆续把可以建造一座房子的建材,从津市的港口运到燕京,建一栋房子可能需要上几百吨的建材,你的卡车可能一次只能载重五吨,所以你需要在津市和燕京往返至少50-60次。” „Before may not recycle the rocket, all your trucks are disposable, in other words, you transport five tons building materials every time, needs to consume a Picka, this cost is extremely high, the house many many that even high you must construct, but, we can this type of disposable truck turn into the future may the recycle, in other words, you travel between Jinshi and Yanjing each time, only needed to refuel to the car(riage), conducts the current maintenance to the car(riage) enough, this cost reduction may not be a tiny bit.” “在没有可回收火箭之前,你所有的卡车都是一次性的,也就是说,你每运送五吨的建材,就需要耗费一辆皮卡,这个成本是极高的,甚至高过你要建造的这栋房子许多许多,但是,我们将来可以把这种一次性卡车变成可循环使用的,也就是说,你每次往返津市和燕京,只需要给车加油、对车进行日常保养就够了,这个成本降低的可不是一点半点。” Li Mu nods, asked: „Then?” 李牧点了点头,问:“然后呢？” Musk said: „Was then simple, in our present outer space establishes a space station, as supplies base, then a lot of fuels, even the take-off rocket minute/share transports to the space station repeatedly, turns into a big supply depot it, then we launch our heavy spaceships.” 马斯克说:“然后就简单了,我们现在太空中建立一个空间站,作为补给的基地,然后把大量燃料,甚至助推火箭分多次运送到空间站去,把它变成一个大型补给站,然后我们发射我们的重型太空飞船。” „You know that explores the universe, what the fuel consumption is biggest is from the ground to entering of outer space process that gets rid of the earth gravity, traditional spaceship, if goes to sparks/Mars directly, then its overwhelming majority loads, are actually the fuels, for example Mars Rover, altogether several hundred kilograms, but the total launching weight may over 1000 tons.” “你知道的,探索宇宙,燃料消耗最大的是从地面一直到进入太空的这个摆脱地球引力的过程,传统飞船如果直接前往火星,那它的绝大部分载荷,其实都是燃料,比如火星车,一共才几百公斤,但发射总重量有可能超过一千吨。” „If we built the space station in the outer space, our heavy spaceships can not need to consider that stored up enough flies to the fuel that sparks/Mars returned to again, only needed to store up enough arrives in the fuel of space station enough, therefore this can increase the load that the spaceship takeoffed, then arrived at the space station refuelling, went to sparks/Mars.” “如果我们在太空搭建起了空间站,那我们的重型飞船就可以不用考虑储存够飞往火星再返回的燃料,只需要储存足够抵达空间站的燃料就够了,所以这样可以加大飞船离地的载荷,然后再到空间站加注燃料,前往火星。” „The equipment and living materials that even, we can also need to use ahead of time after sparks/Mars log in part also launch the space station one after another, after waiting for the spaceship to the outer space, took these equipment again, went to sparks/Mars.” “甚至,我们还可以提前把一部分在火星登陆后需要用到的设备、生活物资也陆续发射到空间站,等飞船到了太空之后,再把这些装备带上,一齐前往火星。” Li Mu flexure scratched the head: „500 hundred million USD feared that is insufficiently your project, additional zero perhaps almost?” 李牧挠了挠头:“五百亿美元怕是都不够你这个项目,加个零恐怕差不多吧？” Elon Musk said: „If looks at the investment purely, truly needs the great quantity fund, but this project can also make money.” 埃隆・马斯克说:“如果单纯看投入,确实需要巨量的资金,但是这个项目本身还可以赚钱啊。” Li Mu asked: „Makes money by the launching? How many times that must launch, can support your project?” 李牧问:“靠火箭发射赚钱？那得发射多少次,才能支撑起你这个项目？” Elon Musk said: „Not is only the commercial launch makes money, but can also make money through the equipment rental and outer space service, if we can establish a space station in the outer space, cannot do well the space exploration of later China, US (America), Russia and European Union to need we to provide certain help, this is also money, you can understand that to turn into a hotel the space station, moreover is the most expensive hotel.” 埃隆・马斯克说:“不光是商业发射赚钱,还可以通过设备租赁、太空服务赚钱,如果我们能在太空上建立一个空间站,搞不好以后华夏、美国、俄国、欧盟的太空探索都需要我们提供一定的帮助,这也是钱啊,你可以理解为把空间站变成一所酒店,而且是最贵的酒店。” „Right.” Elon Musk also said: „Actually most makes money, is the commercial man-in-space flight business, draws an analogy, rode our spaceships to come to an outer space on the 3rd the roaming, person of five weren't Ten Million USD, excessive? When the time comes so long as we design a manned capsule, when the execution launching mission takes the manned capsule, can gain a big pen.” “对了。”埃隆・马斯克又道:“其实最赚钱的,是商业载人航天业务,打个比方,坐我们的飞船来个太空三日游,一人五千万美元,不过分吧？到时候我们只要设计一个载人舱,在执行发射任务的时候把载人舱带上,就能赚上一大笔。” Li Mu smiled: „Are you outer space SF Express car(riage) business?” 李牧笑了:“你这是太空顺风车业务吧？” „Almost is this meaning.” Elon Musk sees Li Mu to smile to make noise, hastily explained: „Chief Li, do not think that this is a joke, is actually not! I told you, on many billionaire ORIJEN (long for) outer space, their money many to not being able to all spend, as many on does not have any business service as Earth is, at this time, if the open commercial man-in-space flight that they could not afford and unable to enjoy, they will certainly be interested, at the appointed time awaited the honor of your presence by this business can gain to a lot of money.” “差不多是这个意思。”埃隆・马斯克见李牧笑出声来,急忙解释道:“李总,千万不要觉得这是个笑话,其实不是！我告诉你,有很多亿万富翁都渴望上太空,他们的钱已经多到花不完了,已经多到地球上没有任何一项商业服务是他们买不起、享受不起的了,这个时候,如果开放商业载人航天,他们一定会非常感兴趣,到时候光靠这项业务就能赚到很多钱。” Li Mu looks at Elon Musk, said earnestly: „I thought that you are flickering I, business of the commercial space travel you described, I thought that 15 years you were not necessarily able to end up to you again.” 李牧看着埃隆・马斯克,认真的说:“我觉得你就是在忽悠我,就你描述的这个商业太空旅行的业务,我觉得再给你十五年你都未必能落得了地。” In fact, Li Mu to rebirth, without hearing Elon whom Musk really delivered the outer space. 事实上,李牧一直到重生,也没听说过埃隆・马斯克真的把谁送上太空去了。 Elon Musk said sincerely: „Chief Li, if according to the present rhythm, I truly needs long time, I need to wait for the Tesla success and PayPal realization, after some lot of cash, can bring to support spacex, this also means, spacex possibly in lasted several years, will be the condition of idling regime travel, is unable to be increased speed.” 埃隆・马斯克非常诚恳的说:“李总,如果按照现在的节奏,那我确实需要很长时间,我需要等特斯拉成功、paypal变现,有大量现金之后才可以拿来支援spacex,这也就意味着,spacex可能会在长达十几年的时间里,一直是怠速行驶的状态,无法得到提速。” Then, Elon Musk earnest looks at Li Mu, said earnestly: „But, Chief Li, if you are willing to invest this project, I believe, it can certainly develop rapidly, even may realize in the next ten years, even within ten years not possible immigration sparks/Mars, we to have been able to deliver to sparks/Mars at least, then brought.” 说完,埃隆・马斯克殷切的看着李牧,认真道:“但是,李总,如果你愿意投资这个项目的话,那我相信,它一定可以飞速发展,甚至有可能在未来十年之内就实现,就算十年之内不可能移民火星,起码我们已经能把人送到火星上,然后再带回来了。” Before Li Mu remembers suddenly, has looked at that «sparks/Mars Rescue», let alone colonized sparks/Mars, can in that wrap/sets sparks/Mars base the movie do, it is estimated that hundreds of billions USD pounded, which his mother was the average person could play the thing. 李牧忽然想起之前看过的那部《火星救援》,别说殖民火星了,能把电影里那套火星基地搞起来,估计几千亿美元就砸进去了,这他妈哪是一般人玩得起的东西。 If this project really can pick up the speed, perhaps then truly can realize the spacex space station several years later, even realizes manned goes to sparks/Mars. 如果这个项目真的可以加快速度,那么或许在几年后确实能够实现spacex空间站,甚至实现载人前往火星。 However some big significances? This project is impossible to make money, good and badness of commercial operation, nothing but are many and few issues that the investor compensates. 不过这又有多大意义呢？这个项目根本不可能赚钱,商业化运作的好与坏,无非就是投资人赔的多与少的问题。 Moreover a registration does the space station, to carry out the space exploration in the US (America) private business, US (America) government not subsidy. 而且一个注册在美国的私企去搞空间站、搞太空探索,美国政府又不会给补贴。 Moreover, these year of US (America) governments did not support nasa, it is said the budget are miserable, wants to land on Moon, at least also needs 202 several years. 不仅如此,这些年美国政府连nasa都不是那么的支持了,据说预算少得可怜,想重新登上月球,起码也要二零二几年。 Uses energy to toss about the matter on outer space and sparks/Mars with it, might as well first on this matter Earth put in order to understand. 与其费劲去折腾太空和火星上的事儿,还不如先把地球上这点事儿整明白了。 However, Li Mu before opening the mouth to turn down Musk, thinks of a very serious issue suddenly. 但是,李牧在开口婉拒马斯克之前,又忽然想到一个很严肃的问题。 This issue is, makes the money earned money, gains to finally for what? 这个问题就是,赚钱赚钱,赚到最后是为了什么？ The material life of human society has the upper limit, if an asset of person surpasses billions USD, basically has been able to spend on Earth recklessly, can, buy the island, to buy the private plane, to buy the personal yacht even cruise across the country purchase massive villas, makes a trust fund with hundreds of millions USD again, even if what business does not do, the light took the interest also enough exactly for a lifetime. 人类社会的物质生活是有上限的,如果一个人的资产超过几十亿美元,基本上已经可以在地球上肆意消费了,可以在全国各地购买大量别墅、买海岛、买私人飞机、买私人游艇甚至游轮,再拿几亿美元做一个信托基金,哪怕什么业务都不做,光吃利息也足够活一辈子了。 After oneself die, can also put in the trust fund the heritage completely, if keeps ten hundred million USD to the posterity, makes each of them, take million USD from the fund every month, even so, one descendant one year is also 1200 million USD. 自己死后,可以把遗产也全部放入信托基金,如果给子孙后代留十亿美元,就让他们每个人、每个月从基金里拿一百万美元,即便如此,一个后代一年也就是一千二百万美元而已。 Key ten hundred million USD in the capital market, achieve 10% returns ratios every year is the issue is not big, in other words, light/only the profit has hundred million USD every year, enough nine descendants lie down to win for a lifetime. 关键十亿美元在资本市场,每年做到10%的收益率是问题不大的,也就是说,每年光利润就有一亿美元,足够九个后代躺赢一辈子。 If the asset achieves tens of billions USD, that was basically impossible the situation that had to all spend. 如果资产达到几百亿美元,那基本上就不可能存在花完的情况了。 As for oneself, the Muye Science and Technology listing and Taobao Science and Technology go on the market, in addition big pile of other businesses of investment develop one after another healthy, future worth possibly over one 20,000 hundred million USD, so much money, how possibly ending of flower? 至于自己,牧野科技上市、淘宝科技上市,再加上投资的一大堆其他业务陆续茁壮发展,将来的身价可能超过一两万亿美元,那么多钱,怎么可能花的完？ Might as well puts out part, big movement that doing other rich and powerful people are not possible to do. 还不如拿出一部分,干点其他富豪不可能搞起来的大动作。 Goes to the plan of sparks/Mars probably truly to need to spend a lot of money, even so, it most also lets the world rich and powerful people ranking's second person, with own is away from pulls closer all. 前往火星的计划可能确实需要花很多钱,但即便如此,它最多也就是让世界富豪排行榜第二的人,跟自己距离拉近一切罢了。 Such being the case, what non- focus money does try? Used temporarily as plays...... 既然如此,什么不烧点钱试一试呢？权当玩了……