Ended the video to here, interrogation stopped the interrogation, obviously, he also realized, the information that at present he receives exceeded own jurisdiction. 视频到这里就结束了,审讯员中止了审讯,显然,他也意识到,目前他所接收到的信息超过了自己的权限。 As the screen returns to the darkness, leaf boat turned to Chen Hao, opens the mouth to ask: 随着屏幕重归黑暗,叶舟转向了陈昊,开口问道: „Therefore, you do feel his idea ....... reasonable?” “所以,你们觉得他的理念.......有道理？” Chen Hao shakes the head, replied: 陈昊摇了摇头,回答道: „I did not think that he is reasonable, but, objective, we truly discovered certain feasibility from his idea ---- Reduces the non- necessary energy consumption, concentrates the energy in the crucial field, reduces the overall energy rank, thus won more time, does that is not reasonable?” “我倒不觉得他有道理,但是,客观的来讲,我们确实从他的理念里发现了一定的可行性----降低非必要的能量消耗,将能量富集在关键领域,降低整体能量级别,从而赢得更多的时间,这么做不也是合理的吗？” „Issue is, they walked extreme, they opposed that all new creation behaviors, opposed the continuation development of any productive forces ---- They felt, human all productive forces enough have been completed now to the analysis of neighboring issue.” “问题是,他们走得太极端了,他们反对一切新增的创造行为,反对任何生产力的继续发展----他们觉得,人类现在所有的生产力已经足够完成对相邻维问题的解析了。” leaf boat smiles, says: 叶舟笑了笑,开口说道: „Good, I do not want to discuss the extremely broad issue, but you must first reply me, you planned how to convince we ten hundreds of millions people, gave up their existing levels of living?” “好吧,我不想去讨论太过宏观的问题,但是你得先回答我,你打算怎么去说服我们十几亿的人民,放弃他们现有的生活水平？” „---- No, was needless to say was so big. How you plan to convince your daughter, did not look little Elder Brother who makes a debut most newly?” “----不,不用说的那么大。你打算怎么说服你的女儿,不去看最新出道的小哥哥？” Chen Hao brow wrinkles slightly, replied: 陈昊的眉头微微皱起,回答道: „Can adopt the compulsive means that the law and policy and so on.” “可以通过强制手段,法令、政策之类的。” „You thought that will have the effect? Prohibits alcohol the result of making is what, won't you know?” “你觉得会有效果吗？禁酒令的结局是什么,你不会不知道吧？” „......., therefore you felt, this is not feasible?” “.......所以你觉得,这是不可行的？” „No, this is not feasible, this is the pure idealism.” “不,这不是不可行,这是纯粹的理想主义。” At this point, leaf boat carried the teacup to drink one already the tea that fell coolly, then opened the mouth saying: 说到这里,叶舟端起茶杯喝了一口已经凉掉的茶水,然后开口道: „I was look to understand, this group of person real his mother have not been considered as that what anti-human person, they were one group of child extremists. The matter that they handle to put it bluntly, wants to move to the reality the theory of being an armchair strategist.” “我算是看明白了,这帮人还真他妈不算是什么反人类主义者,他们就是一帮子极端主义者。他们做的事情说白了,就是想把纸上谈兵的理论搬到现实里。” „Do you know that the physics has a concept, called ‚the sphere chicken in vacuum’? This group of people want the sociology in ‚vacuum sphere chicken’ moves to the reality, do you feel this possibility?” “你知不知道物理学有个概念,叫‘真空中的球形鸡’？这帮人想把社会学里的‘真空球形鸡’搬到现实中来,你觉得这可能吗？” „The social prospect that they construct is perfect, self consistent method, even can say, is efficient under the background of end, but the issue is, the reality is not the vacuum, the chicken is not the sphere!” “他们所构建的社会图景是完美的、自洽的、甚至可以说,在末日的背景下是高效的,但问题是,现实不是真空的,鸡也不是球形的啊！” „Naturally, we can also pull out the vacuum the reality, can cultivate the sphere the chicken, but such will the price of doing, be lower than the Tongtianhe project and beacon-fire project?” “当然,我们也可以把现实抽成真空,也可以把鸡培育成球形,但那样做的代价,难道会比通天河项目、烽火项目更低吗？” „Impossible ......., even if in the sociological domain, the energy is also the conservation. Let alone, wants the social prospect that realized them saying that we are also going to face the social order radical collapse the risk, if really occurrence that situation, having no need for neighboring invading, we withered ourselves.” “不可能的.......哪怕在社会学领域,能量也是守恒的。更何况,想要实现他们所说的社会图景,我们还将要面临社会秩序彻底崩溃的风险,如果真的发生了那种情况,用不着相邻维入侵,我们自己就把自己干死了。” „Said again, words that this Chen Wu spoke radically self-contradictory, he said at the same time the Renaissance is the scientific revolution foundation, on the one hand requests human to give up the recreational activity, giving up the culture and entertainment of art, what orthodox school double mark dog is this?” “再说了,这个陈武说的话根本就自相矛盾,他一方面说文艺复兴是科学革命的基础,一方面又要求人类放弃娱乐活动、放弃文化和艺术享受,这是什么正宗双标狗啊？” Listens to Ye Zhou's explanation, Chen Hao long breathes a sigh of relief, later said: 听完叶舟的解释,陈昊长长舒了一口气,随后说道: „Your meaning is, do their ideas have no good point?” “那你的意思是,他们的理念没有任何可取之处？” „Has, naturally has. To put it bluntly, isn't the so-called countryside madrigal, the planned economy of ultimate shape? The core is also not the optimization of resource distribution.” “有啊,当然有。说白了,所谓的田园牧歌,不就是终极形态的计划经济吗？核心还不是资源优化配置。” „---- The optimization of resource distribution, aren't we doing now? Otherwise where do the resources of Tongtianhe project from come?” “----资源优化配置,我们现在不就在做？要不然通天河项目的资源是从哪来的？” The Chen Hao slight nod, replied: 陈昊微微点头,回答道: „Good ....... said that I understood probably, but truly speaking, their theories have strong confusing.” “好吧.......这么说我大概明白了,不过说实在的,他们的理论还是具有很强的迷惑性的。” „If you in most started to accept their viewpoint, their other viewpoints will start to affect you subtly, finally made you accept overall ---- Is this so-called ascending threshold effect?” “如果你在最开始接受了他们的一个观点,他们的其他观点就会潜移默化地开始影响你,最终让你全盘接受----这就是所谓的登门槛效应吧？” „Right.” “没错。” „Well, we must try to find a solution, refutes their viewpoints, we must seize the high ground of public opinion, will otherwise have many people confused by their traps. What idea do you have?” “那这样的话,我们就得想一个办法,去驳斥他们的观点了,我们得抢占舆论的高地,否则会有很多人被他们的陷阱所迷惑的。你有什么想法吗？” Hears Chen Hao words, leaf boat hesitated the moment, says: 听到陈昊的话,叶舟沉吟了片刻,开口说道: „I did not think so. Actually so long as in propaganda so-called ‚countryside madrigal’ them the truth exposes, most average people will stand in their opposites spontaneously, as for person who these believe their theories, how regardless of we will propagandize will not be useful.” “我倒不这么觉得。其实只要在宣传上把他们所谓‘田园牧歌’的真相暴露出来,大部分普通人就会自发地站在他们的对立面,至于那些会相信他们的理论的人,我们无论怎么去宣传都不会有用的。” „They usually think oneself are the elite class of society, thinks oneself should enjoy more resources, to shoulder a heavier responsibility naturally, to put it bluntly, has one type obsolete, so-called aristocrat spirit from West.” “他们往往自认为自己是社会的精英阶层,认为自己天然就应该享受更多的资源、承担更重的责任,说白了,就是有一种已经过时的、来自西方的所谓贵族精神。” „In their eyes, the average person is the property in their fiefdom, they want to save this world, the goal do not save human, but saves itself.” “在他们眼里,普通人是他们封地里的财产,他们想要拯救这个世界,目的并不是拯救人类,而是拯救自己。” „If there is a reliable turning point ---- For example the interplanetary navigation becomes if possible, they transform to without hesitation immediately escape the person.” “如果有一个可靠的契机----比如星际航行成为可能的话,他们会毫不犹豫地立刻转变为逃亡主义者。” „Therefore, in view of this group of people, we must do does not win over, but is the attack.” “所以,针对这一批人,我们要做的不是拉拢,而是打击。” „Escaping the principle, castrates the principle is under the neighboring crisis one of the most dangerous ideological trends, we discover fortunately now early, launch attack immediately the words, all also with enough time.” “逃亡主义、阉割主义是相邻维危机下最危险的思潮之一,还好我们现在发现得早,立刻展开打击活动的话,一切都还来得及。” Hears Ye Zhou's words, Chen Hao facial expression is somewhat dignified. 听到叶舟的话,陈昊的神情有些凝重。 „You believe, matter has developed this?” “你认为,事情已经发展到这一步了？” „Provides for a rainy day, now their influence is limited, but has been able to extend the hand to the national key project in came, whatever if they develop, you thought that what happened?” “未雨绸缪而已,现在他们的影响力还有限,但是都已经可以把手伸到国家重点项目里来了,如果任由他们发展的话,你觉得会发生什么事情？” „I said that these people came to grasp community of elitism, their social position will not lower, the right to speak and influence surpass other average people naturally, has their shadows in social economy each aspect.” “我说了,这些人本来就是秉持着精英主义的一个群体,他们自身的社会地位也不会低,话语权和影响力天然就超过其他普通人,在社会经济各个方面都有他们的影子。” „Now perhaps their idealist, but continues to develop, when they discovered that can with the idealism gets the interests, all will change flavor.” “现在也许他们还是理想主义者,但继续发展下去,当他们发现可以用理想主义来获得利益的时候,一切就会变味了。” „How to say?” “怎么说？” Chen Hao opens the mouth to ask. 陈昊开口问道。 leaf boat knitting the brows head, replied: 叶舟皱了皱眉头,回答道: „I have a story, could from relatively quite small breakthrough point, explained that well all issues of related madrigal organization, showed why we present most start of symptom in it, must press it.” “我有一个故事,也许可以从相对比较小的切入点,更好地说明有关牧歌组织的一切问题,说明为什么我们在它出现苗头的最开始,就要把它摁死。” „Mentioned listens.” “说来听听。” leaf boat to oneself cup continued from above tea, then opens the mouth to say again: 叶舟给自己的杯子重新续上茶水,然后开口道: „Supposition, currently we have such a village, this village called...... to call dragon Longcunba.” “假设啊,现在我们有这么一个村子,这个村子叫......就叫龙龙村吧。” „The dragon Ryongchon-ri generation lives is taking farming and raising livestock as the fresh farmer, after effort from generation to generation, their life gradually becomes abundant, all kinds of home constructions, in the land delivered the fresh vegetables fruit unceasingly, on the lawn lie completely the cattle of being satiated with food and wine.” “龙龙村里世代居住着以种田、畜牧为生的农民,经过一代又一代的努力,他们的生活逐渐变得富足,各式各样的房屋建设起来,土地里不断地产出新鲜的蔬菜水果,草地上趴满了吃饱喝足的牛羊。” „Time every weekend, the person in village will organize the dance party and dining together, usually also many recreational activities, everyone's life both rich and happy.” “每到周末的时候,村里的人都会组织舞会和聚餐,平时也有许多娱乐活动,大家的生活既丰富又愉快。” „Suddenly one day, the prophet in village brought a news: In the near future, big dragon from nearby mountain will attack dragon Long Village, the goal is to destroy dragon Long Village thoroughly, kills off the villagers completely.” “突然有一天,村里的先知带来了一个消息:在不远的将来,一头来自附近山上的巨龙将会进攻龙龙村,目的是将龙龙村彻底毁灭、把村民全部杀光。” „This news made the villagers fall into scared ---- The big dragon is very fearful, to the technology of villagers, they have no method to resist the big dragon at that time.” “这个消息让村民们陷入了恐慌----要知道,巨龙是很可怕的,以当时村民的技术,他们根本没有任何方法可以对抗巨龙。” „But, these villagers have no way to give up their generation housing the land, because the large-scale relocation means the death.” “但是,这些村民也没法放弃他们世代居住的土地,因为大规模的搬迁就意味着死亡。” „Therefore, these villagers start to make various preparations, for example builds the city wall, to store up the fuel, to increase grows the grain to prepare for the long-term fight wait wait/etc. etc..” “所以,这些村民开始着手做各种准备,比如修筑城墙啊、囤积燃料啊、增种粮食为长期战斗做准备啊等等等等。” „In brief, everyone is trying completely own strength and to defeat the big dragon in the limited condition diligently.” “总之,所有人都在努力尝试尽自己的力量、在有限的条件下去击败巨龙。” „Villagers also suggest plans positively , the strategy obtained the approvals of many people rapidly.” “村民们也积极地献计献策,在这其中,有一个策略迅速获得了许多人的认同。” „The starter of this strategy said, the big dragon must attack the village, in fact is because the development of villagers had posed the threat to its survival, therefore, what the villagers should to do, hidden own strength, making the big dragon relax vigilantly, then a manufacture stronger weapon, gives the big dragon secretly unexpectedly the heavy losses.” “这个策略的提出者说,巨龙之所以要袭击村子,实际上是因为村民的发展已经对它的生存造成了威胁,所以,村民们应该要做的是,将自己的力量隐藏起来,让巨龙放松警惕,然后偷偷制造更强的武器,出其不意地给巨龙重创。” „This plan is called ‚madrigal plan’, it looks very reasonable, but the issue is, how can hide the strength?” “这个计划被称为‘牧歌计划’,它看起来十分合理,但问题是,要怎么把实力藏起来呢？” „First must do is ruins most farmland, to annihilate most domestic animals, only retains the basic grain ration that enough everyone lives.” “首先要做的就是毁掉大部分农田、消灭掉大部分的牲畜,只保留足够所有人生活的基本的口粮。” „Next, in the village does not allow to organize the dance party and recreational activity again, because these activities will consume the resources additionally.” “其次,村子里不允许再组织舞会和娱乐活动,因为这些活动会额外消耗资源。” „Arrived finally, in lights a lamp at the same night is also forbidden, because the extremely bright lights are making clear to the prosperity of village, is very easy to bring to the attention of big dragon.” “到最后,连夜里点灯也被禁止,因为太过明亮的灯火昭示着村落的繁荣,很容易引起巨龙的注意。” „Such policy naturally caused most people's disaffection, but the leader always thinks that oneself is right, in the policy cannot carry out, when the village committee stands the opposition, he used various strong methods to promote his strategy.” “这样的政策自然引起了大多数人的不满,但主导者始终认为自己是对的,所以在政策执行不下去、在村委会站出来反对的时候,他采用了各种强硬的手段来推行他的策略。” „For example set on fire, for example the attack in the farmland and demolishing ballroom, for example waters ....... such sabotage activity truly to make very good progress toward the lamp oil that in the market sold, but, the leader performers of hand/subordinate suddenly discovered, the powers in their hand in dramatic expansion.” “比如在农田里放火、比如袭击和拆毁舞厅、比如往市面上销售的灯油里掺水.......这样的破坏行动确实取得了很好的效果,但同时,主导者手下的执行者们突然发现,他们手里的权力在急剧扩张。” „Before just like said that they must manufacture a stronger weapon secretly, this weapon, we are called the city crossbow it.” “正如之前所说的,他们要偷偷制造更强的武器,这个武器,我们就把它叫做城弩吧。” „Forge weapons are need the manpower and resources, but obviously, will participate in the person who the city crossbow will make obtaining more resources.” “制造武器是需要人力和资源的,而显然,参与到城弩制造的人会获得更多的资源。” „They have rich food, to have the bright lights, even also to have the dance party of non-periodical development, helping their relief pressure ....... be very obvious, any villagers want to join in this work, who can join truly?” “他们有丰富的食物、有明亮的灯火、甚至还会有不定期开展的舞会,帮助他们释放压力.......很显然,任何一个村民都想加入这个工作中,但谁能真正加入？” „Stands in the madrigal plans the angle of view of leader and that idealist, the person who he naturally wants to join the plan is the truly talented person, but he neglected a fact: In this village, the contradiction of resources and demand, has developed the irreconcilable degree.” “站在牧歌计划主导者、那个理想主义者的视角,他当然希望加入计划的人是真正有才能的人,可他忽略了一个事实:在这个村子里,资源和需求的矛盾,已经发展到了不可调和的程度。” „Even performers of madrigal plan, is unable to gain the resources that enough satisfies their desire, what therefore they will make?” “甚至就连牧歌计划的执行者们,也无法获取到足够满足他们欲望的资源,所以他们会做什么？” „Answer is very obvious, they will hire right in the hand, for receiving in exchange for originally not many resources.” “答案很明显,他们会出租自己手中的权利,用于换取本就不多的资源。” „To join the city crossbow project? Very simple, with smoking meat to trade. Hasn't smoked meat? Good, trades with your daughter. What? You said that you don't want to continue the madrigal plan? That is not good, the privileged class has formed, how can make you ruin casually?” “想要加入城弩项目？很简单,拿熏肉来换。没有熏肉？好的,拿你女儿来换也可以。什么？你说你不想继续牧歌计划了？那可不行,特权阶级已经形成了,怎么能随便让你毁掉？” „Arrived this step, in the village basic had gone haywire, the act of killing and torching ran amuck everywhere, the village committee of dragon Long Village has been incapable of resisting the madrigal organization, because under their destruction, the most resources of entire society has gathered in their hands.” “到了这一步,村子里基本已经陷入了混乱,杀人放火的行径到处横行,龙龙村的村委会已经无力对抗牧歌组织,因为在他们的破坏之下,整个社会的大部分资源都已经汇聚到了他们的手里。” „Arrived finally, the village committee vanished, the madrigal organization established the new village committee, they are celebrating the arrival of new times, is celebrating the victory, but everyone forgot, soon , the big dragon must kill.” “到了最后,村委会消失了,牧歌组织成立了新的村委会,他们庆祝着新时代的到来,庆祝着自己的胜利,但所有人都忘记了,不久之后,巨龙就要杀过来了。” „However city crossbow project? In that will not have any progress, because is responsible for this project, betrayed own resources receiving in exchange job the waste of holding a job without doing any work.” “而城弩项目呢？那里面不会有任何进展的,因为负责这个项目的,都是出卖了自己的资源换取工作岗位的尸位素餐的废物。” „Now lies down in the laboratory, but is a even string no broken bow.” “现在躺在实验室里的,不过是一把连弦都没有的破弓而已。” „Therefore, the madrigal organization establishes several years of village committee later, the big dragon destroyed the village. But these so-called wants to save the elites in the world, has not made any resistance ---- They absolutely do not have the ability to resist.” “所以,在牧歌组织成立村委会的几年之后,巨龙毁灭了村庄。而那些所谓的想要拯救世界的精英们,没有做出任何抵抗----他们根本就没有能力去抵抗。” After saying, leaf boat long shouted the one breath , to continue saying: 说完之后,叶舟长长地呼了一口气,继续说道: „Now, where did you know the basic issue of madrigal organization?” “现在,你知道牧歌组织的根本问题在哪里了吗？” „Summarizes to only have a few words: The elitism causes certainly the power to seek, but the power seeks causes certainly the order to crash.” “总结起来只有一句话:精英主义必然导致权力寻租,而权力寻租又必然导致秩序崩塌。” „If wants to save the world, cannot only depend on one absolutely, or the strength of some group of people, you must allow everyone to participate.” “要想拯救世界,绝对不能只靠某一个、或者某一群人的力量,你得让所有人都参与进来。” „Said coarse, even if their fart uses not to have, even if they are more of a hindrance than a help, must allow them to participate.” “说得难听一点,哪怕他们屁用没有,哪怕他们在帮倒忙,也必须让他们参与。” „Perhaps because they have not helped the real goal, but ‚participation’ this acts, is a symbol.” “因为他们也许对真正的目标没有帮助,但‘参与’这个动作本身,就是一种象征。” „What it symbolizes is in front of the disaster all people being equal, what symbol is the rational distribution of resources, what symbol is the community of destiny.” “它象征的是灾难面前人人平等,象征的是资源的合理分配,象征的是命运的共同体。” „However this, is the first thought of beacon-fire project and Tongtianhe project.” “而这,也是烽火项目和通天河项目的初心。” https:// https:// Talent one second remembers the home station address:. 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