WIIC :: Volume #9

#79: Mirage interview 【Three】


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Ai Ruoche are everyone of pure arithmetic, what kind of condition therefore she completes that revenge general approach to need very much clearly. 艾若澈自己就是纯粹算学的大家,所以她很清楚完成那个复仇一般的思路需要怎样的条件。 Does not know that king Qi do have this consciousness...... in fact, king Qi the past work, contained that relative uniformity a part of proof. He had proven intuition has the intuition is unanimous the proposition with the induction consistently. 不知道王崎自己有没有这个意识……实际上,王崎自己过去的工作,就包含了那个“相对一致性”证明的一部分。他已经证明了“直觉与归纳一致有直觉一致”的命题。 The remaining parts, they even can go against king Qi once mentality to propose. 剩下的一部分,他们甚至可以逆着王崎曾经的思路提出。 Just, these many needs it to have certain understanding of intuitionism. 只不过,这一步多少需要对“直觉主义”本身有一定的理解。 The relations as a result of Yun Zhongjun Crain shade, the song courtyard faction of formalism arithmetic representative, with few Li-school of intuitionism representative, the relations has been very intense, the song courtyard sends the interior hardly to have even/including sect is the family/home, let alone even/including sect of intuitionism. 由于云中君柯兰荫的关系,形式主义算学代表的歌庭派,与直觉主义代表的少黎派,关系一直很紧张,歌庭派内部几乎不存在连宗算家,更别说直觉主义的连宗。 But what outside is an exception. 但何外尔偏偏是个例外。 He really believes the intuitionism arithmetic, even if he respects and loves oneself teacher compared with anyone, is so. He has not repented this point, did not mind that the start of intuitionism, is foe who the song courtyard sends, calculates Monarch Pang Jia. 他真的相信直觉主义算学,哪怕他比谁都敬爱自己的老师,也是如此。他从来没有悔改过这一点,也不介意直觉主义的发端,是歌庭派的仇敌,算君庞家莱。 Regarding what Waier, this is „the truth. 对于何外尔来说,这就是“真理”。 But the song courtyard sends the member, can actually during the daily discussion, by what outside, understand that they need to understand. 而歌庭派成员,却可以在日常讨论之中,透过何外尔,了解到他们需要了解的。 This reading also is more convenient. 这比看书还要便利一些。 If these step is completed, then ten thousand Famen could not say that must meet with a disaster. 而若是这一步完成,那么万法门说不得又要遭殃。 The skeptic and opponent who the song courtyard sends, after this card, must facing an issue, if they plan to suspect reliability that set theory, reliability that must suspect the mathematical operations. 歌庭派的怀疑者与反对者,在这一证之后,就必须面对一个问题若是他们打算怀疑集合论的可靠性,那就必须怀疑四则运算的可靠性。 Regarding the intuitivists in few Li-school, is more terrifying. This means that the set theory congenitally deficient, can be manifested in the intuitionism arithmetic similarly. 对于少黎派的直觉主义者来说,则更恐怖。这意味着集合论的先天不足,同样可以在直觉主义算术上得到体现。 Right, not only song courtyard faction, not only even/including sect, including is unable to get rid inconsiderately to the sect calculates. 没错,不只是歌庭派,不只是连宗,连离宗也无法摆脱不周之算。 If calculates that the family/home insisted the arithmetic of intuitionism is reliable, then according to the relative uniformity, they must probably acknowledge, the set theory is reliable in the prescribed limit. 如果还有算家坚称直觉主义的算学是可靠的,那么根据相对一致性,他们也必须得承认,集合论在已知范围内是可靠的。 This regarding to sect Suanjia, holds one's nose to swallow the dung to be equally uncomfortable probably. 这对于离宗算家来说,就好像捏着鼻子吞大粪一样难受。 I am not the request live, but must draw you dead together. “我不是要求生,而是要拉着你一起死”。 Ai Ruoche even suspected occasionally, what outside receives the key of song courtyard room, is the teacher is preparing for this day. 艾若澈偶尔甚至怀疑,何外尔之所以接下歌庭斋的钥匙,是不是自己老师在为这一天做准备。 Naturally, this suspicion is really without foundation. The big Senior Brother and teacher affection is deep, but hands over the decision of song courtyard room, before inconsiderately calculates is published completes. Calculates that Lord had decided that after completing the Yuan calculates it to calculate that abdicates. 当然,这个怀疑着实毫无根据。大师兄与老师感情深厚,而交托歌庭斋的决定,也是在不周之算问世之前就做好的。算主早就决定,在完成元算之算后就退位。 But this coincidence...... truly feels constrained. 可这种巧合……确实让人心情压抑。 Finally, Ai Ruoche actually decided, best little disclosure inside story. 最终,艾若澈却是决定,最好还是一点点的透露其中的内幕。 What outside goes in high spirits actually opens «Calculated», said: „One side thinks clearly, temporary not to put the Junior Sister, we discussed arithmetic that the base sends.” 何外尔去却兴冲冲的翻开《原算》,说道:“想不明白,就暂时放到一边师妹,我们来讨论一下基派的算学。” Base faction...... 基派…… Mentioned that this name, Ai Ruoche cannot bear resound king Qi. 提到这个名字,艾若澈就忍不住响起“王崎”。 This is also another reason that she hesitates. 这也是她踟蹰的另一原因。 If this relative uniformity did...... to calculate that Monarch could also sit still? 若是这个相对一致性搞成了……算君还坐得住吗? Calculates that Monarch always pays great attention to the real issue, to the pure operation, did not say did not care, but rarely has the controversy. According to calculating Mr.'s past conduct, he is not necessarily able to care about a relative uniformity...... 算君向来注重实际的问题,对纯粹算理,不说不关心,但鲜有论战。按照算君以往的做派,他未必会在意一个相对一致性吧…… However, dragon Huangpi said is making noisily. 但是,龙皇批言正闹得沸沸扬扬。 If by some chance this relative uniformity, becomes calculates reason that Monarch calmly thinks of extremely? 万一这相对一致性,成为了算君静极思动的理由呢? If calculates that Monarch looks at the set theory likely dog shit, then this time, the song courtyard room in toward calculating on Monarch face stuck the excrement. 若是算君看集合论像狗屎,那么这次,歌庭斋就是在往算君脸上糊屎了。 ................................................................................................ …………………………………………………………………………………… The song courtyard sends the preparation calculating on Monarch face sticks the dog shit the matter, naturally is arranging in secret. 歌庭派预备给算君脸上糊狗屎的事情,当然是在暗中筹备的。 They pursue to member even/including sect achieve biggest killing, therefore, before beginning to materialize, will easily not spread the news. 他们追求对连宗修士达成最大杀伤,所以,在有眉目之前,轻易不会放出消息。 However, these in days, Su Jun yu thought that the situation was getting more and more disadvantageous. 但是,这几日里,苏君宇却觉得情况越来越不利了。 Member even/including sect in breaks refers to on path progressing is quite rapid, they had come up with several new mentalities. 连宗修士在“断自指”道路上进展颇为迅速,他们已经提出了好几种新的思路。 Each type makes him have the soul-stirring feeling. 每一种都让他有惊心动魄的感觉。 By these, he is nipping the penstock on , is clenching jaws to the sect paper in own study room continually. 是以,这几日,他都只是咬着笔杆,在自己的书房里对着连宗论文咬牙切齿。 He wants to keep up with the mentalities of these even/including sect scoundrels. 他想要跟上这些连宗混账的思路。 Shuts off refers to and infinite loop...... shuts off refers to and infinite loop......” “切断自我指涉和无限循环……切断自我指涉和无限循环……” Su Jun yu sighed: To the thing of sect, why even/including sect does that obviously opens?” 苏君宇叹息:“明明是离宗的东西,为什么连宗做得这么开?” Then, to the difference of sect Helian sect...... where? 那么,离宗和连宗的区别……到底在哪里? In Su Jun yu mind, has cannot help but thought this issue. 苏君宇的脑海之中,不由得想过这种问题。 According to king Qi the present view, to sect Helian the sect, but is the foothold difference. 按照王崎现在的说法,离宗和连宗,只不过是落脚点的不同。 both sides to give the arithmetic damage to incur one foundation to make the result of ponder. 双方都是为了给算学损招一个“根基”而做出思考的结果。 All arithmetic, what instinct is the arithmetic seeks for the source. 所有算学家,都本能的为算学寻找本源。 Present recognized to the sect, the root of arithmetic from structure that” some in world naturally exists, an independence in the essential factor of material world. It has comfortably, but to sect Helian the sect, but along two different road climbs. 现在的离宗认定,算学的根源来自于某种世界自然存在的“结构”,一种独立于物质世界的要素。它自有自在,而离宗和连宗,不过是在沿着两条不同的路攀登。 Because to sect Helian the sects is the person clans, the road that can therefore take is also limited. Two roads will interlock inevitably. 由于离宗和连宗都是人族,所以能走的路也是有限的。两条路会不可避免的交错。 But looks like in the present even/including sect, the arithmetic start in the will of the people, is existence that not false outside asked. It starts in the keenly intelligent constructivity behavior, is one type poetry. 而在现在的连宗看来,算学发端于人心,是一个不假外求的存在。它发端于灵慧的构造性行为,是一种“诗歌”。 It seems the poet to make a determined effort general because of the scenery, is the family/home , conducts the constructivity behavior because of this objective world. 就好像诗人因景而发愤一般,算家,也是因这客观世界而进行构造性的行为。 The arithmetic so comes. 算学就是如此来的。 But the different lives recognize the arithmetic of knowing is so approaches, is because their keenly intelligent have the high uniformity. They face is also the same physical world. 而不同生灵认知道的算学之所以如此接近,便是因为他们的灵慧具有高度的一致性。他们面对的也是相同的物理世界。 But what outside intuition, unlike calculating Monarch also has some. 而何外尔的“直觉”,与算君又有些许不同。 The current room lord who this song courtyard sends, actually advocates by direct cognition goes facing the arithmetic. 这位歌庭派的现任斋主,却是崇尚以“直接的认知”去面对算学。 It seems the present song courtyard to send with the base to send to be the same differently, even/including sect also has the difference. 就好像如今的歌庭派与基派不同一样,连宗也有分歧。 However, the arithmetic in everyone eyes, is different after all. 但是,每个人眼中的算学,终归是有所不同的。 Then...... to the difference of sect Helian sect, can neglect? 那么……离宗和连宗的区别,又可以忽视吗? How possibly? 怎么可能? Su Jun yu thinks of this point, oneself want to smile. 苏君宇想到这一点,自己都想笑。 In fact, intertwining in invention discovery it is paradox that-based” natural language definition fuzzy the problem produces. What to do if civilization invention and discovery is the same word? 实际上,纠结于“发明”还是“发现”本身就是一种基于自然语言定义模糊的毛病而产生的“诡辩”。若是有一个文明里吗“发明”和“发现”是同一个词怎么办? He had to remember the bottom, king Qi tested the wishes coming true ability the time, the method of uses. 他不禁有想起了地底,王崎测试心想事成能力的时候,所使用的手段。 Is that Earth calls it busy beaver the issue. 就是那个地球称之为“忙海狸”的问题。 Any arithmetic issue can the violence decode, the price that but that violence decodes is much bigger, does not have the significance to the person clan. 任何算学问题都可以暴力破解,只不过那个暴力破解的代价大得可怕,对人族毫无意义。 Is analyzes a number to discuss the issue, needs to burn down the entire universe. 仅仅是解析一个数论问题,就需要烧掉整个宇宙。 Under this frame, be only that huge set within the arithmetic that may have, has by the possibility that the person clan understands. 在这种框架之下,也只有那个“庞大集合”之内有可能存在的算学,才有被人族理解的可能。 The probably beautiful god said. 就好像美神所说的。 The physical world, does not seem to have infinitely the object. Therefore . Has including destiny poorly. 物理世界,似乎不存在“无穷”的对象。因此,。连“命运”都是有穷的。 Intertwines in invention and discovery the concept, does not have the significance. Truly valuable, to the confrontation of sect sect essence, is regards the arithmetic angle continually the difference. 纠结于“发明”和“发现”的概念,毫无意义。真正有价值的,是离宗连宗内核的交锋,是看待算学角度的不同。 Su Jun yu felt oneself came the inspiration, the pen tip to brush to write on the scratch paper suddenly. 苏君宇感觉自己突然来了灵感,笔尖在草稿纸上刷刷写着。 Has not actually noticed itself to keep vibrating calculates. 却没有注意到自己不停震动着的算器。 ......................................................................................................... …………………………………………………………………………………………… Zhao Qingtan felt, oneself beset with a crisis some probably. 赵清潭感觉,自己好像陷入了某种危机。 He too did not understand condition that actually oneself are going to face, therefore wants to send the spirit news to give Su Jun yu. 他其实不太理解自己将要面对的状况,所以想要发灵讯给苏君宇。 But before Su Jun yu, said, he must trace these to leave the research of scoundrel, therefore first returns to ten thousand method, then kept god Capital Zhao Qingtan. 但苏君宇之前就说,他要追查那些离宗混账的研究,所以就先回万法门一趟,然后将赵清潭留在了神京。 Zhao Qingtan had not thought from the beginning has anything. However, really after Su Jun yu the daily table that gives runs, thought that does not adapt everywhere. 赵清潭一开始还不觉得有什么。但是,真个按照苏君宇之前给的日常表跑起来之后,才觉得到处都不适应。 Especially now. 尤其是现在。 He is just about participates in one to be called mirage interview the project. 他正要参加一个被称作“蜃楼访谈”的项目。 Where Zhao Qingtan knows that anything is mirage. Beforehand action, completes under Su Jun yu direction, he has prepared the good thing display to king Qi and Wei Cang. 赵清潭哪里知道什么是“蜃楼”。之前的行动,也都是在苏君宇的指点之下完成的,他本人不过是对着王崎和魏沧早就准备好的东西发挥。 However now...... 但是现在…… What is mirage? Does this situation, how display? With which draft? 什么是“蜃楼”啊?这种情况,怎么发挥啊?用哪一篇稿子啊? His bewildered sitting in lightproof little building, bewildered looks that some member are busier the bewildered matter. Only then quite beautiful female , if no others plays is calculating. 他莫名其妙的坐在一个不透光的小楼里,莫名其妙的看着一些修士在忙一些莫名其妙的事情。只有身边一个颇为标致的女子,在若无旁人的玩着算器。 This was actually the person clan receives Yu clan civilization by -product. 这却算是人族接收毓族文明的一个副产物了。 That side Yu clan, game this type of thing can also belong to art, has the literary style reward. 在毓族那边,“游戏”这种东西本身也可以被归入“艺术”,也是有文气奖励的。 Game this artistic form, in the literary style gains on has the innate disadvantage, but, actually wins is appealing to both cultured and popular tastes, supplementing and correcting of dissemination is high. 游戏这种艺术形式,在文气获取上有先天劣势,但是,却胜在雅俗共赏,传播度的补正非常高。 When Yu clan 530,000 years of art accumulations, after meeting person clan calculates the technology, was erupts second spring. 而当毓族五十三万年的艺术积累,在遇到人族的算器技术之后,便算是爆发出了第二春。 Person clan originally deficient game form, instantaneous sharp increase several times. 人族原本贫乏的游戏形式,瞬间暴增数倍。 This also makes calculate upscale this type of thing, appeared in the non- ten thousand method disciple hands occasionally. 这也使得高档算器这种东西,偶尔出现在非万法门弟子手上了。 In the past, except ten thousand method disciples, even does not have many member to dispose to calculate to oneself on own initiative. 在以往,除开万法门弟子,甚至都没有多少修士会主动给自己配置算器的。 Even ten thousand method disciples not greatly with calculating. 甚至有万法门弟子都不大用算器的。 Once had member even/including sect actually, because calculates that to member sect incited the example that refused to use. 曾经倒是有连宗修士因为“算器是离宗修士鼓捣出来”的而拒绝使用的例子。 However, regarding this and other unfilial disciples, calculates that Monarch was coming out to hit the face personally. 不过,对于这等不肖弟子,算君都算是亲自出来打脸了。 Now calculates that the theoretical side, calculates Mr.'s position is not low. 现在算器理论方面,算君的地位可不低。 Other member use to calculate, many are because calculates that can facilitate the reason of contact. 其他修士使用算器,也多是因为算器可以方便联络的缘故。 But many member also used one to calculate with fixed large-scale. 但很多修士也就用一用固定的大型算器了。 This exquisite high rank calculates, truly rarely appears in the member hands of these ordinary schools. 这种小巧的高阶算器,确实很少出现在这些普通门派的修士手上。 Especially is used...... to play the game. 尤其是还是用来……玩游戏。 Approximately is because this calculates relations, Zhao Qingtan results in some female quite favorable impressions of not making sense to this attractively. However, looked that others hit the appearance that the game hits is enthralled, he is instead embarrassed to ask. 大约是因为这件算器的关系,赵清潭对这个漂亮得不像话的女子颇有些好感。但是,看人家打游戏打得入神的样子,他反而不好意思去问。 Finally helpless sitting here. 结果就只有手足无措的坐在这里。 At this time, finally had to tie pill period disciple to run over, on the face is piling smiling, asked: Is Zhao Qingtan Zhao big senior?” 这个时候,终于有个结丹期弟子跑了过来,脸上堆着笑,问道:“请问是赵清潭赵大前辈吗?”
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