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#206: Application method of first knowing 【Under】


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Preinstall standpoint, prior correct, before is, foundation of knowing ponder. 预设立场,先验正确,是前知者思考的基础。 Their ponders are completely not restricted in the time the order. 他们的思考并不完全受限于时间的顺序。 Therefore, they can first obtain some in the future without” already has proven the conclusion, as preinstall correctly and actually also correct beginning. 因此,他们可以先得到某个“在不存在的未来”已经验证过的结论,作为预设正确、实际也正确的起点。 Then, constructs the complete theory baseless. 就这样,凭空构建出完整的理论。 Before non- knowing, preinstall is representing hearing one side only, is representing the displacement of standpoint, after representative other factors are disturbing the judgment. 对于非前知者来说,“预设”代表着偏听,代表着立场的偏移,代表着其他因素干扰后的判断。 But before knowing, thing that preinstall can also prove, can be correct. 但对于前知者来说,“预设”也可以是已经证明的东西,可以是正确的。 Therefore, a relief day of fiendish person can under the situation that in anything does not know completes the merit body. 所以,救济天魔王可以在什么都不知道的情况之下完成功体。 But this is also king Qi the most curious matter. 而这也是王崎最好奇的一件事情。 If future some formula sending back in the past, directly how that can? 如果直接将未来的某个公式发回过去,那会怎样? Before dragon sovereign, transmits four characters, the guarantee is clear, transmits inevitably, that is the logical closed loop that because he constructs, involved the monster emperor with another heaven's favoured family of the deceased about the limit, before relief day of fiendish person type, knowing can only calculate that added. 龙皇之前发送四个字,保证清晰,必然传达,那还是因为他所构建的逻辑闭环,涉及了妖帝与另一个天眷遗族的合道极限,救济天魔王这种前知者都只能算添头了。 Under so big perturbation, but must guarantee that achieves an astonishing coincidence. 如此大的扰动之下,还得保证达成一个惊人的巧合。 Perhaps oneself experience, a history that-based is also only the past future will belong to choice history the ability completes. 或许自己所经历的,也只是过去未来归于一身基于“选择历史”的能力而完成的历史。 In brief, although transmits the accurate character to be very difficult, but is is not completely not possible. 总之,虽然传送精准的字符很困难,但是也不是完全不可能的。 In the future few words of paper. 或者未来论文的只言片语。 Only needs few words, is bad, can as an important prompt. 只需要只言片语,再不济,也能作为一个重要的提示。 This has helped enormously. 这就已经是极大的帮助了。 Jumps over the experiment directly, obtains the result and so on. 或者,直接跳过实验,取得结果之类的。 This has nearly fearful help to the scientific research! 这对科研有着近乎可怕的帮助! Significance, absolutely also in computer above. 意义,绝对还在“计算机”之上。 But the only issue is...... 但唯一的问题就是…… Feasible? 可行吗? king Qi is revering to eject such question to too one day. 王崎对着太一天尊抛出了这样的疑问。 But too during a day reveres is also lost in thought. 而太一天尊也陷入了沉思之中。 If before the person clan really grasped , the energy of knowledge, then definitely will have the huge impact on the existing research system. 如果人族真的掌握了前知之能,那么必然会对现有的研究体系产生巨大的冲击。 But before on the other hand...... , the knowledge can whether can apply like this, leaves undecided. 但另一方面……前知之能是否能够这样应用,也是存疑。 No, said actually not the say/way of person clan like He Jingui, the first knowledge can not enter the discernment. 不,倒不是说人族之道如何金贵,前知之能也不入法眼。 Now the say/way of law, said that is in defecating and urinating is not overrated, there is no cannot study, nothing does not contain the truth, nothing is not in a system. 今法之道,说是“道在便溺”也不为过,没有什么不可研究,没有什么不蕴含道理,没有什么不在一个体系之内的。 But the issue is, how with. 但问题就在于,怎么用。 Quick, too a day reveres said: „Before I am not, knowing, therefore does not dare saying that own opinion is right. But to me......, because in your mouth, the counter succession bandwidth limited exists, therefore future cleverness, is not the infinite feedback. But these things , before many wants, knowing own cognition is the foundation, right?” 很快,太一天尊就道:“我不是前知者,所以也不敢说自己的意见就是对的。但就我来说……由于你口中,逆时序带宽限制存在,所以未来的灵犀,也不是无限回传的。而这些东西,也多是要以前知者自身的认知为基础的,对吧?” king Qi nods: Is this.” 王崎点了点头:“是这样的。” Although first knowing does not need to understand, but, he must generally know oneself want anything, and information of this thing will also want to have possibility to be known by future him. 尽管前知者不需要理解,但是,他总得大致知道自己想要什么东西,并且这东西的情报还要“有可能”被未来的他知道。 Ai Citan said: In other words , before being limited, knows obtained, is only the relative correctness. The standpoint of preinstall, is the relative correctness?” 艾慈昙道:“换言之,有限前知所得,也只是相对的正确。预设的立场,也是相对的正确?” king Qi nods. 王崎点了点头。 Although law immortal widely believes now, has an absolutely correct the concept. 尽管今法仙道普遍相信,存在一个绝对正确的概念。 However, all that they make, draws close to this absolutely correct unceasingly relatively correct. 但是,他们所做的一切,也只是不断贴近这个绝对正确的相对正确而已。 Too a day reveres somewhat anxiously: Relatively correct with also has the difference relatively correctly. Probably the leaving sects of ten thousand methods with even/including sect same......” 太一天尊有些忧虑:“相对正确与相对正确也是有区别的。就好像万法门的离宗与连宗一样……” Ten thousand methods to sect with continually sect difference radically is, each other choice axiom- the initial stations of all logic, have the subtle difference. 万法门离宗与连宗差异的根本就在于,彼此选择的“公理”-一切逻辑的起始点,有微妙的不同。 The thought of person, must have one beginning, support. People in research material world, could establish objective existence this beginning. But even if most sincere mathematical entity exists to member sect, is unable to touch this entity. 人的思维,必须有一个“起点”,一个“支撑”。研究物质世界的人们,或许可以将这个起点设置成客观存在。但就算最虔心“数学实体”存在的离宗修士,也无法碰触到这个实体。 Therefore, they can only according to oneself choice, believe or not believe an axiom. 所以,他们只能根据自己的选择,相信或是不相信一段公理。 To the sect thought what oneself and even/including sect studies is the same entity. even/including Zongte thought what oneself and leaves a construction is the same vice- image. 离宗觉得自己和连宗研究的是同一个实体。连宗特觉得自己和离宗构建的是同一副图像。 However, because of initial station the difference, causing them to have the completely different cognition to the same object. 但是,就是因为“起始点”的不同,导致他们对相同的客体有了完全不同的认知。 even/including Zongli the sect battle ten thousand years, simply were the intense and deep-seated hatred. 连宗离宗争斗万年,简直就是血海深仇了。 If the physics also presents axiomization like this, presenting preinstall is correct, then the entire physics system, has to resemble the string to discuss general, splits the dangers of several opposition systems. 如果物理学也这样出现“公理化”,出现“预设正确”,那么整个物理学体系,都有似弦论一般,分裂成好几个对立体系的危险。 After all, first knowing correct prior, is only the relative correctness. 毕竟,前知者的“正确先验”,也只是相对的正确。 Before it will also receive , the influence of knowing concept. 它也同样会受到前知者自身观念的影响。 Too a day reveres even can imagine a scene. Before knowing of sect, before even/including sect knowing, to the same matter, before producing different, knows. 太一天尊甚至能够想象到一个场景。一个离宗的前知者,和一个连宗的前知者,会对同一个事情,产生不同的前知。 But after spending some time, people can know, the cardinal principle that they said is a thing. 而花一些时间之后,人们才能知晓,他们说的大体是一个东西。 This may have some heavy impact on the system of now law. 这有可能对今法的体系产生某种重大冲击。 Moreover, before being limited knows, also sees the puzzle of barrier limited to the knowledge. 而且,有限前知,也同样受限于知见障的困扰。 Thing that first knowing obtains, will come under the influence of he cognition. 前知者所得到的东西,也会受到他自身认知的影响。 Limited above the knowledge before the theoretical system of constructing, the probably in the air garret is the same, the foundation is one relatively correct description. If after obtaining the fruit, wants to inquire into turn because of, has being difficult to change danger. 在有限前知之上构建起来的理论体系,就好像空中阁楼一样,根基是一个“相对正确”的描述而已。若是得到果之后还想要反过来探究“因”,就有“积重难返”的危险了。 Too a day revered sharply pointed out these issues. 太一天尊一针见血的指出了这些问题。 king Qiye nods: Even predicts the real diagnosis data, not necessarily absolutely reliable......” 王崎也点头:“甚至连预言实证数据,都未必绝对可靠吧……” In the past the future belonged to one, in the past the future belonged to one, in the future is to also exist entity. 过去未来归于一身,过去未来归于一身,未来也是存在的实体。 If you have the real diagnosis of key, obtained the essential data, but the remote future foe obtained the information, wants to interfere with the history, that was troublesome. 若是你有关键的实证,得到了关键的数据,而遥远未来的仇敌得到了情报,想要干涉历史,那就非常麻烦了。 Future enemy, even does not need to give you a wrong answer. Before perturbation that knows, making your answer not very precise is OK. 未来的敌人,甚至都不需要给你一个错误的答案。利用前知的扰动,使你的答案不够精确就可以了。 Four characters of dragon sovereign accurate transmission under highly difficult scene, truly before cannot be is limited, knows the ability the benchmark. 龙皇在高难的场景之下精准传递的四个字,确实不能作为有限前知能力的标杆。 However, data type of thing, the wrong point was very troublesome. 但是,数据这种东西,错一点就很是麻烦了。 However, this is also the thing that now law must face. 但是,这也是今法必须面对的东西。 Before limited, knows limits even extremely numerous, is bad, can still be very easy-to-use auxiliary wheel. 有限前知就算限制极多,再不济,也能是个非常好用的“辅助轮”。 At least in technology the domain, really can achieve very strong situation. 至少在“技术”的领域,真的可以做到很强的地步。 Probably provides relieft to a day of fiendish person to be the same. 就好像救济天魔王一样。 Too a day reveres with king Qi discusses this topic. 太一天尊与王崎讨论这个话题。 Now law immortal many have the request to attesting to falsity. 今法仙道对“可证伪性”多少有要求的。 Wants the certificate oneself are correct, must in the existing frame, prove full power oneself are not correct, after failure, can announce oneself are correct. 想要证明自己正确,就得在现有框架之内,全力证明自己不正确,直到失败之后,才能宣布自己正确。 Otherwise, on, if handed over authority, hands over in the handle your opponent hand. 不然的话,就等若是太阿倒持,将把柄交到你的对手手里。 They will prove very much happily your mistake, then happier divides your funds. 他们会很高兴的证明你的错误,然后更高兴的分走你的经费。 But so-called axiom, is correct. 但所谓的“公理”,就是“正确的”。 The prior correct standpoint, represents you unable to request axiom to have attesting to falsity. 先验正确的立场,就代表着你不能要求“公理”具有可证伪性。 Why will the string theory be ridiculed by few people for mathematical trick? 为什么弦论会被一部分人嘲笑为“数学伎俩”? Because the standpoint of preinstall are too many. 因为预设的立场太多。 This is a giant contradiction. 这是一个巨大的矛盾。 Too a day reveres sighs finally: In the final analysis, our paths, is the predecessor has not really passed through? Perhaps some person and we pass through on a same section of road, but also stepped onto the different directions finally......” 太一天尊最终叹息:“说到底,我们的道路,也真的是前人没有走过的吧?或许有人和我们在同样的一段路上走过,但是最终也走上了不同的方向……” So far has not known whether exists ponders knowing before the rational thinking way. 目前为止还不知道是否存在“用理性思维方式思考的前知者”。 Therefore, the person the clan does not know, before to be how limited , the strength of knowing, is integrated into the scientific system with the say/way of rationality. 所以,人族也不知道,如何将有限前知的力量,以理性之道纳入科学体系之中。 This in the elementary force the person with the system that establishes has the conflict. Accumulate until now many ideas to be in conflict with the medieval philosophers and Mohist school several. 这与元力上人奠定的体系有冲突。与中古诸子、墨家数家积累至今的诸多理念存在矛盾。 The person clan, follows the time sequence ponder after all the ordinary lifeform. 人族,毕竟只是顺着时间顺序思考的平凡生物罢了。 Even is not limited to this. 甚至不止于此。 In the past was not only destructive power logically, does not compare small that prior correct comes. “过去不唯一”在逻辑上的破坏力,一点也不比“先验正确”来的小。 Now the theoretical system of law, is in fact established , to has had history in statistics. 今法的理论体系,实际上都是建立在对“已经发生过的历史”的统计上的。 Although first knowing will also receive historical revision interference, under the direct feel only experienced the only history. 尽管前知者自身也会受到“历史修改”的干涉,直观感受下只经历了唯一的历史。 But the history has in fact changed. Each history changes, along with change of record. 但历史实际上是改变过的。只是,每一次历史改变,都伴随着记录的改变而已。 Perhaps, regarding the present immortal pledge, thinks that this type historical change equal in does not change is not good. 或许,对于现在的仙盟来说,认为这种“历史改变”等价于“不改变”也不是不行。 However under revolving, only feels cautious. 但是细思之下,却只觉得如履薄冰。 If the history can be chosen...... 如果历史可以被选择的话…… Words that the experimental result can be chosen...... 实验结果可以被选择的话…… Statistics and theory of probability empirical science in logic on foundation, how can also? 统计学与概率论这实验科学在“逻辑”上的根基,又会怎么样呢? This involving most basic thing, for a short time cannot discuss anything. king Qi planned to report content detailed writing that he and dragon sovereign talked, submitted to the immortal pledge. 这种涉及到最根本的东西,一时半会也讨论不出什么。王崎打算将他与龙皇对话的内容详细的写成报告,提交给仙盟。 Remaining...... must have a look to say again. 剩下的……还得看看再说。 However, too a day revered also truly reached some agreement with king Qi. 不过,太一天尊也确实和王崎达成了某种共识。 Before must first, knowing. 必须先有一个前知者。 I think I can arrive in that level most quickly......” too a day reveres to say with a smile: But as a result of your inequality, I suffers setbacks temporarily, takes several years adjusts itself. Perhaps you I will one step first go out?” “原本我以为我会是最快抵达那个层次的……”太一天尊笑道:“但是由于你的不等式,我暂时受挫,需要几年的时间调整自己。或许你会先我一步走出?” Whom he does not care about actually who is weak. 他倒是不在乎谁强谁弱。 Before being at least limited, knows is unable to become the reason that the entire immortal pledge disbands. 至少有限前知也无法成为整个仙盟散伙的理由。 The first knowledge can not be the only strength. dragon Huangdiao builds the Yuan clan altogether Lord foundation, is melts day to subdue|grams of shape law to protein plastid method- he will have the strength the Yuan clan altogether lords to force in the black hole in the material level. 前知之能不是唯一的力量。龙皇吊打元族共主的基础,也就是化形法对朊质体法门的天克-他在物质层面上有力量将元族共主塞进黑洞。 Does not need to be worried before , knowing will trigger the immortal pledge to dismiss, then, before who first becomes, knowing, will contribute own mystical, helping others study. 不用担心前知者会引发仙盟解散,那么,谁最先成为前知者,都会将自己的神异贡献出来,帮助其他人进行研究。 Too a day reveres to ask: What then has to plan?” 太一天尊问道:“接下来有什么打算?” Un, has many projects to chat with thousand machine pavilions, moreover is burns the gold/metal valley......” “嗯,与千机阁有许多项目可以谈谈,另外就是焚金谷……” king Qi pondered. 王崎思考了起来。 The counter sequential logic must decode. This aspect can ask the song courtyard to send actually with sea thunderclap human that some people. After all, in the earth history, to the new formalism of sect, even/including sect the structuralism, finally was the little brothers of computer science. 逆时序逻辑是必须要破解的。这方面倒是可以求歌庭派与海霆真人那一干人。毕竟,地球史上,离宗的新形式主义,连宗的构造主义,最终都是计算机科学的小弟了。 The further investigation of quantum computer, then needs to ask to burn gold/metal valley and indistinct palace...... other, thousand machine pavilions also need to promote again extremely the slightly beast mechanism/organization...... 量子计算机的进一步研究,则需要拜托焚金谷和缥缈宫……另外,千机阁也需要再次升级极微兽机关了…… At this moment, in the dusk sky, presented the brilliant multi-colored sunlight. 就在这时,黄昏的天空之中,出现了绚烂的霞光。 Seemed like these fellows to make, started to put the magic arts celebration.” Too a day reveres the tone to be serious, but the corners of the mouth still had a happy expression. “看起来那些家伙已经做成了,都开始放法术庆祝了。”太一天尊语气沉重,但嘴角仍旧有一丝笑意。 „Under the following matter can wait to ponder again. Now, you can accept to cheer.” “接下来的事情可以等下再思考。现在,你可以去接受欢呼了。”
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