WIIC :: Volume #5

#243: Our methods


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The public sentiment is roused to action.[(??[ 群情激奋。[(??[ king Qibeng the smile is feeling helpless, has not expected own reckless Qia effect so good completely. Another side Su Jun yu is somewhat puzzled. Only then Chen will hit by the fine person on the table. 王崎绷着笑脸不知所措,完全没有料到自己的胡掐效果这么好。另外一边的苏君宇有些困惑。只有陈由嘉一个人将头撞在桌子上。 She in deeply feels sorrowful for the aesthetic standard and general knowledge of oneself same side. 她在深深为自己同门的审美观与常识感到悲哀。 That, very obviously is reckless Qia of this fellow! Can this fellow, name properly? Obviously cannot! 那一段,很明显就是这个家伙的胡掐啊!这个家伙,能够正经取名吗?明显不能啊! Why you also really letter/believed! 为什么你们还真的信了啊! After the mood of people are gradually peaceful, king Qicai said: Very good, seemed like approves my ideal. Then, I say how to complete specifically.” 在众人的情绪渐渐安静下来之后,王崎才道:“很好,看起来诸位是都认同我这个理想了。那么,我就来说一说具体怎么做好了。” king Qi wipes the flagstone. Under the function of elephant phase wave merit, the flagstone changes puts down and thins again, gradually changes to one height two meter and a width three meters giant flagstone, seems the blackboard to be the same. 王崎一抹石板。在大象相波功的作用下,石板再次变平、变薄,渐渐的化作一块高两米、宽三米的巨大石板,就好像黑板一样。 The innumerable close sword air/Qi refer to from king Qi spout, wrote down many small characters on the flagstone. These are completely the names of some animals. Just, his classification is somewhat strange, the centipede and spider and insect put together, the turtle frog was converged one kind, the shark whale wait/etc was also calculated in the middle of the fish...... 无数细密的剑气从王崎指间喷出,在石板上写下了许多小字。那些全部都是一些动物的名字。只不过,他的分类法有些奇怪,蜈蚣和蜘蛛和昆虫放在一起,乌龟蛤蟆被归为一类,鲨鱼鲸鱼等等也被算进鱼当中…… This is very ancient classification. 这是非常古老的分类法。 Most primitive classification, but according to the contour of life, will be divided into one kind.” king Qi erased these inscriptions, then a sword air/Qi again stroke. This time, on the blackboard presented a classification that is similar to the dendrogram, the gate compendium branch type is each level clearly demarcated. “最原始的分类法,不过是按照生灵的外形,将之分为一类。”王崎又抹掉了这些字样,然后剑气重新一划。这一次,黑板上出现了一个类似于树状图的分类,界门纲目科属种层次分明。 However this is the classification of the present using, according to sibship classification of evolution. These two classification which types are better, everyone is well aware.” “而这是现在采用的分类法,按照演化的亲缘关系分类。这两种分类法哪一种更好,大家想必心知肚明。” The people look at king Qi, perplexed, does not know that actually should how say. 众人看着王崎,不明所以,不知道究竟应该怎么接话。 They are the disciples of ten thousand methods, the say/way of what life studies? 他们可是万法门的弟子啊,研究什么生灵之道? king Qi knocked the flagstone gently: You did not feel, the present arithmetic, actually does use the first classification?” 王崎轻轻敲了敲石板:“你们不觉得,现在的算学,其实还是使用第一种分类法吗?” Zhao Qingtan is the brain quite quick that kind. He thought of anything quickly: Junior Brother king, are you plan mold the classification of arithmetic?” 赵清潭属于脑子比较快的那一类。他很快就想到了什么:“王师弟,难道你是打算重新塑造算学的分类?” Wei Cang also knits the brows slightly, in the heart pondered that what significance this does have? 魏沧也微微皱眉,在心中思考这有什么意义? Algebra, analysis, theory of numbers and geometrical common fellow, but regards as such several big corpse blocks the arithmetic, but does not see the entire cow.” king Qi emphasized: Attention, here, does not see the entire cow not to contain any commendatory meaning. In fact, you are more like touches like the blind person, was fettered by the thought.” “代数、分析、数论、几何一般的家伙,只是将算学视为这样几个大的尸块,而不见全牛。”王崎强调道:“注意,在这里,‘不见全牛’不含任何褒义。实际上,你们更像是摸象的盲人,被这样的思维束缚住了。” Belongs to the how much the theory of algebraic curves? Does the group theory belong to the how much? Such idea extremely ossified.” “将代数曲线理论归入几何?群论归入几何?这样的想法太过僵化了。” Since our ideals set up the arithmetic again, then, must, probably first break simply. Breaks its clean this stale thing, broken then stands.” king Qi backhands a palm to pat on behind flagstone, flagstone immediately disintegration. But in the fragment, actually left behind such two large characters. “既然我们的理想是重立算学,那么,就要干脆一点,就要先破。将这陈腐的东西破它个一干二净,破而后立。”王崎反手一掌拍在身后的石板上,石板立刻崩碎。而碎片之中,却留下了这样两个大字。 Structure. “结构”。 Forgot that the original algebra, analysis, theory of numbers and how much, forgot the label that on these corpse blocks hits, understands arithmetic's structure with single-hearted devotion.” “忘掉原来的代数、分析、数论、几何,忘掉那些尸块上打的标签,专心理解算学本身的结构。” Another tying pill the period greatly complete member who calls is Feng Xingchong stands, vacant asking: This......, if abandons these inherent concepts, how we should ponder?” 另外一个唤作冯兴衝的结丹期大圆满修士站起来,茫然的问:“这个……如果抛弃掉那些固有的概念,我们应该怎么思考?” He is a Yuan god nears, depended on king Qi to come to tread the broken day on the prospect to close, but king Qi broken comes then to stand now directly, he felt some pressures. 他可是元神在即,就指望靠着王崎这边来个踏破天关了,可王崎现在直接来个“破而后立”,他就感觉有些压力了。 If the impact on the thought is really big, then he will postpone to tread the broken day pass/test the day. 如果对思想的冲击实在是太大,那么他是会推迟踏破天关的日子的。 king Qidao: This is not difficult to explain.” He hints Feng Xingchong first to sit down, then shoulders both hands, explained: In my opinion, arithmetic most foundation, is its structure. What is structure?” 王崎道:“这不难解释。”他示意冯兴衝先坐下,然后背负双手,解释道:“在我看来,算学最基础的,就是它的结构。什么是‘结构’?” We are trying use axiomization when the thought sets at variance this arithmetic, will have such feeling entire arithmetic should have one type unified, the overall foundation, the arithmetic should in such overall foundation launch. But this foundation......” “我们尝试着使用‘公理化’的思想解构这个算学时,就会有这样的感觉整个算学应该有一种统一的、整体的基础,算学就应该在这样整体的基础上展开。而这个基础……” king Qihua has not said, was broken by a sound of holding breath cold air. 王崎话还没说完,就被一阵倒吸凉气的声音打断了。 Because Zhao Qingtan once sent some relations of transiting the discipling from the song courtyard, somewhat said excitedly: „Do you want to use the axiomization mentality unexpectedly?” 赵清潭因为曾经与歌庭派有一些师承的关系,有些激动道:“你居然想要使用公理化的思路?” Axiomization, calculates when the lord creates the arithmetic foundation the method of using. “公理化”,正是算主缔造算学根基时所采用的方法。 However, what very unfortunately is......, if wants with the axiomization explanation math, the logic of then in the middle of this process using should be complete, the entire system must not have self- contradictory, any proposition can prove or can attest to falsity. 但是,很不巧的是……如果想要用公理化阐释数学,那么这个过程当中采用的逻辑就应该是完备的、整个体系必须是没有自我矛盾的、任何命题都是可以证明或可以证伪的。 What unfortunately is, this system destroys in king Qi the hand. The song courtyard sends to calculate in the Yuan the effort that it is counted, was all destroyed by king Qi two papers. 更不巧的是,这个体系就是毁在王崎手中。歌庭派在元算之算上的努力,全都被王崎两篇论文摧毁了。 With, why does not use.” king Qi replied: In fact I like this mentality. But hopes the senior step is too big, crossed our existing abilities. I do not request arithmetic now, but is request known arithmetic does the foundation, what issue and known push with this unknown also has? senior brother, next time please remember made me say the words.” “用,为什么不用。”王崎回答道:“实际上我本人还是非常喜欢这个思路的。只不过希前辈步子太大,过了我们现有的能力罢了。我现在并不要求‘算学’,而是要求‘已知算学’的根基,并用这个已知去推未知还有什么问题吗?师兄,下次请记得让我把话说完。” Sitting down that Zhao Qingtan is too busy, but king Qi starts to continue oneself speech. 赵清潭忙不迭的坐下,而王崎则开始继续自己的讲演。 However this foundation, is the structure. In my present impression, arithmetic the world's center, is most generalized origin structure. The characteristics of this structure, are axiom number are few. Because, the axiom number are few, represents that this structure is restricted to be few, but the limit was short, the range that this structure aims is broader.” “而这个‘基础’,就是结构。在我现在的观感当中,算学世界最中心的,就是最为一般化的‘始源结构’。这个结构的特点,就是‘公理数目少’。因为,公理数目少,就代表这个结构受到的限制少,而限制少了,这个结构所指向的范围就越广阔。” In the middle of same structure, the axiom number are less, naturally is also the generalization.” “同一种结构当中,公理数目越少的,自然也就越是一般化。” Said that a specific example was good, the structure of group theory has four axioms, supposed that group does day is a non-empty set, symbol profound is its binary operation, has, inverse element to exist in four axiom closeness, the associative law establishment and unit element, then name does day to unreliably to constitute a group. At this time, if an auxiliary axiom, for example does in addition day essential factor infinite or limited, this structure turned into a more special finite group or the infinite group. If ‚a binary operation satisfies commutative law in addition this axiom, then this structure turned into commutative group.” “说个具体的例子好了,群论的结构有四条公理,假设群‘乾天’是一个非空集合,符号‘玄’是它的一个二元运算,则在四条公理封闭性、结合律成立、单位元存在、逆元存在,则称‘乾天’对‘玄’构成一个群。此时,若是加上一条辅助公理,比如‘乾天’要素无限或者有限,这个结构就变成了更加特殊的有限群或者无限群。若是加上‘二元运算满足交换律’这个公理,则这个结构又变成了‘交换群’。” ...... …… Thump thump...... thump thump...... 怦怦……怦怦…… king Qi spoke with confidence, the hearts of others actually started to beat crazily. 王崎侃侃而谈的时候,其他人的心脏却开始疯狂跳动起来。 This idea...... quite extraordinary! 这个想法……相当了不起啊! This flash, the arithmetic was in their eyes different. In those days concrete formula, method and graph, started becomes fuzzy 这一瞬间,算学在他们眼中就不一样了。往日具体的公式、方法、图形,也开始变得模糊起来 This also close to looked at the mountain is not the mountain, looked at the water is not the boundary of water. 这也就接近了看山不是山,看水不是水的境界了。 Originally the arithmetic can also...... Feng Xingchong get hold of the finger like this. His first feeling, the arithmetic can also like this, be able unexpectedly like this! “原来算学还可以这样……”冯兴衝握紧了手指。他第一次觉得,算学原来还可以这样,居然还可以这样! Complete subversion! 完全的颠覆! For this extraordinary idea, postponed 30 years of Yuan god also value! 就为了这个了不起的想法,推迟三十年元神也值了! But another side, Zhao Qingtan almost must cry. Before he treads the broken day closes, the complete law is shown, calculates Lord can endure at the height of power and shortly broken asked finally. After he is wanted treads the broken day to close, toward joins song courtyard faction this direction diligently. But after he treads the broken day closes, actually suddenly heard that calculates the main road heart falls into enemy hands the song courtyard faction that and cultivates is ten does not save one, to yearn for also to fall into the precarious position. This made him be at a loss very much some time. 而另一边,赵清潭几乎要哭出来了。他踏破天关之前,正是完备律被证明,算主如日中天、眼看就能堪破最后一问。他原本就是想要踏破天关之后,向着“加入歌庭派”这个方向努力。而他踏破天关之后,却突闻算主道心失守、修为十不存一、自己向往的歌庭派也陷入风雨飘摇的境地。这让他很是迷惘了一段时间。 But now, calculates the Lord thought that in this replaces to calculate that on the Lord youngster reappeared! 而现在,算主的思想,就在这个取代算主的少年身上再现了! Perhaps...... this really to the update of sect?” “或许……这真的是离宗的一次换代?” Others are also various responses, to mention just a few. 其他人也是各种反应,不一而足。 Chen looks at king Qi by behind, in the heart is also all sort of taste tumbles. 陈由嘉在后面怔怔的看着王崎,心中也是诸般滋味翻滚。 However is most obvious, is actually proud. 不过其中最为明显的,却是“自豪”。 This fellow, changed fierce...... 这家伙,又变厉害了…… In king Zaki's narration, a new thinking mode, sets up finally gradually. 在王崎的讲述当中,一个新的思维方式,也终于渐渐树立起来。 Many years ago, I when take to obtain enlightenment enjoying, has said that the issue of arithmetic domain can actually be divided into several kinds. The issue that is unable to solve, hangs the issue beyond system, to have the method the issue, to have the general theory this solitary one the issue, lacks the solution significance the issue. I think, the direction that we then study, mainly places in the fourth kind, while convenient third order. The second kind of fifth kind little provokes, the first kind do not bump......” king Qidao: Remember, our pursues are generality do not care about the theory, under them has a broader structure, that is our goals.” “许多年之前,我在取得道器之赏的时候,就讲过,算学领域的问题其实可以分为好几类。无法解决的问题、孤悬在体系之外的问题、产生方法的问题、产生一般理论的问题,还有缺乏解决意义的问题。我想,我们接下来研究的方向,就主要放在第四类上,顺带第三类。第二类第五类少招惹,第一类就不要碰……”王崎道:“记住,我们的追求就是‘一般性’不要在意理论本身,它们之下有着更加广阔的结构,那才是我们的目标。” In the people, several people hold breath again cold air, in several other population has the sound. After others recall one, makes being suddenly enlighted shape. Some lines of sight carry over quietly hide in crowd following Chen by. 众人之中,有几人再次倒吸一口凉气,另有几人口中啧啧有声。其他一些人回忆一番之后,也做恍然大悟状。还有一些视线悄悄移向藏在人群后面的陈由嘉。 king Qi stared was somewhat feeling strange: What's wrong? One two are this look......” 王崎被盯着有些奇怪:“怎么了?一个二个都是这个眼神……” Wei Cang smiles bitterly saying: We feel ashamed of one's inferiority...... originally you 67 years ago starts to ponder such deep issue......” 魏沧苦笑道:“我们只是自愧不如罢了……原来你六七年前就开始思考这么深的问题……” The great thought that is so ten years sharpens a sword...... 伟大的思想,都是这般十年磨一剑的吧…… Zhao clear Tanze was somewhat ashamed: In the past we also think that you are choking Chen Zhangmen intentionally, after all you two, some truly enmities......” 赵清潭则有些羞愧了:“当年我们还以为你是在故意呛陈掌门,毕竟你们两个,确实有些嫌隙……” Among these fellows, the smart part reviews king Qi had shown the papers and speech long time ago, can understand understands, incomprehensible writes down hardly, therefore they can remember that several years ago small speeches that enjoy. 这些家伙当中,机灵的一部分早早就复习过王崎曾经表过的论文、讲话,能够理解的都理解下来,不能理解的都硬记下来,所以他们才能够想起那几年之前道器之赏的小小演讲。 But Chen Jingyun lord the research the direction, the pearl calculates, can be counted isolated issue, extraordinary is also only has the method issue. At that time many people also felt, king Qi is deliberately disparaging Chen Jingyun. 而陈景云主研的方向,明珠之算,可以算作“孤立的问题”,了不得也只是“产生方法的问题”。当时很多人也觉得,王崎就是在刻意贬低陈景云了。 king Qihai two: About me and some Chen Zhangmen things in secret, here do not discuss. We then conducted the next link to be good.” 王崎咳了两声:“关于我和陈掌门私底下的一些事情,这里就不要讨论了。我们接下来进行下一个环节好了。” The people show the smile ; 众人露出微笑; Does not know that next link, what extraordinary opinion king Qi will blow out? 不知道“下一个环节”,王崎又会爆出什么了不得的言论? Unexpectedly, king Qi puts out one pack of examination papers: „, Finished these before the darkness.” 不料,王崎拿出一叠试卷:“诸位,在天黑之前把这些写完吧。” Several person cautious asking of: This is......” 有几个人小心翼翼的问道:“这是……” Trial, wants to know that your levels, the practical measurement one was good.”( To be continued.) 8 “试炼啊,想要知道你们的水平,实际测试一下就好了。”(未完待续。)八
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