WIIC :: Volume #5

#218: Debate of Yuan god, school of thought forecast


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Su Jun yu asked these words time, in the heart is also somewhat the idea. 苏君宇问出这句话的时候,心中也是有几分想法的。 Although ten thousand method each member having a mind main roads, hope that can obtain the ultimate of arithmetic. However, among them eventually is divided. 虽然万法门每一个修士都有心大道,希望能够求得算学的终极。但是,他们之间终究是存在分歧的。 The other shore of arithmetic where? Does the arithmetic want to walk toward that side? How should walk? 算学的彼岸在何方?算学想要往那边走?应该如何走? Regarding these issues, everyone will have differently some looks. 对于这些问题,每一个人都会有一些不同的看番。 At this time, influence and right to speak the function manifested. 这个时候,“影响力”和“话语权”的作用就体现出来了。 Who can occupy more rights to speak, who attracts many arithmetic, for oneself inquired about that the direction, searches the inspiration, or solves itself not to have time solution the issue of minor details. 谁能够占据更多的话语权,谁就更吸引更多的算学家,为自己探寻方向、寻觅灵感、或者解决自己没有功夫解决的细枝末节的问题。 king Qiye knows this matter. In Earth, this matter basically is the normal state. Even if a Grothendieck this person can have the mathematical half of the country emperor, massive work packs will still give to oneself student and friend, making them help itself complete, oneself devote to the trunk. 王崎也知道这种事情。在地球,这种事基本就是常态。就算是格罗滕迪克这位一个人就能占据数学半壁江山的“皇帝”,也将大量的工作打包送给自己的学生和朋友,让他们帮自己完成,自身则致力于主干。 Grothendieck, but that type is incompatible with most people, needs the entire mathematics circles to adapt to own step the strong person. 要知道,格罗滕迪克可是那种与大多数人都合不来,需要整个数学界适应自己的步调的强人。 A significance of school of thought that naturally was very big. 一个学派的意义,自然是非常大了。 But king Qi currently as if has such capital. He does not suit greatly joins any existing school of thought is the existing top school of thought approximately too will not mainly welcome to him. But is incomplete and can determine, is his capital. 而王崎现在似乎就是有这样的资本。他也不大适合加入什么已有的学派主要是已有的顶尖学派大约对他不会太欢迎。而“不完备”和“不可判定”,就是他的资本。 He currently really has the qualifications independence school of thought. 他现在确实是有资格自立学派的。 king Qi the thought transferred the revolutions, said: Serves as the words of meeting place well but actually. I think again.” 王崎念头转了转,道:“用作聚会之所的话倒也不错。我再想一想。” He has not said definitely the words. 他没有把话说死。 Regarding the future matter, he must consider carefully. 对于将来的事情,他还要仔细思量一下。 School of thought this thing, does not have the acknowledgment of authorities, can only calculate spontaneous private group. Each school of thought is to depend upon the member maintains the cohesive force voluntarily. A person thought that his ideological inclination anything school of thought that can claim that he is the supporter of that school of thought that does not need to register anything. “学派”这个东西,并没有官面上的承认,只能算“自发的民间团体”。每一个学派都是依靠成员自觉来维持凝聚力。一个人觉得他思想倾向什么学派,就可以声称他是那个学派的支持者,也无需报名什么的。 Words said when you do prepare the true stepping into day to close the later world?” Su Jun yu instigates vigorously: Approximately ten years? Could quickly? A your achievement Yuan god, the signboard shone “话说,你准备什么时候真正的踏入天关之后的天地?”苏君宇极力怂恿:“大约还有十年吧?或许可以快一点?你一成就元神,招牌就亮了起来” king Qi shakes the head: Without is so quick. At least is also ten years 20 years? Perhaps waits hundred years?” 王崎摇摇头:“没那么快。起码也是十年二十年吧?说不定等个百年?” Su Jun yu knits the brows: So is why long?” 苏君宇皱眉:“为什么这么久?” Has experienced actually 12, how feels the Yuan god period actually not good.” king Qi recalls: Only if my merit law further deduces, or I train the different thoughts. In brief, in me the understanding before the cultivation further, I do not plan such Yuan god.” “实际体验过一两回,才觉得元神期其实也没有怎么怎么好。”王崎回忆道:“除非我的功法进一步推演,或者我培养出自己不同的思维。总之,在我对修炼的理解更进一步之前,我不打算就这么元神。” king Qi said is the spirit phoenix island cuts to kill that war that the Saint emperor reveres, few days ago with Ai Qinglan that war. In the middle of these two wars, he displays the Yuan god law territory personally, experiences effect that thought that supernatural power and life united completely. 王崎说的就是灵凰岛斩杀圣帝尊的那一战,还有前些日子和艾轻兰的那一战。这两战当中,他都是亲自施展元神法域,体验了那种思维、法力、生命完全合一的效果。 Oneself thought will pin above the supernatural power, but traded a body. 将自己思维寄托在法力之上,只是换了个躯壳。 Su Jun yu is somewhat strange. He knows that king Qi is not aimless, but spread 2000 experience feedback the entering step always cannot, since. He asked: What issue has?” 苏君宇有些奇怪。他知道王崎不是无的放矢的,但是流传了两千年的经验总结出的进阶总不会从。他问道:“有什么问题?” „A Yuan god king Qi a hand move, the palm presents one group of hazy blue light immediately. Around this group of blue dim light, the scenery is twisting marvelously. “元神啊”王崎手一招,掌心立刻就出现一团迷蒙蓝光。这一团蓝色幽光周围,景物奇妙地扭曲着。 This is the Yuan god law territory! 这就是元神法域! Su Jun yu heart trembles suddenly two. Side this was he has tried hard quick a half year actually not to trace arrives at the Yuan god law territory! 苏君宇心脏陡然震颤两下。这就是他已经努力了快半年却还没有摸到边的元神法域! I could feel, Yuan god while giving our immortals, fettered our thought.” king Qidao: So-called cultivating law, eventually is a limited thing. The cultivating law that the people create, has not gone beyond person's ability now thoroughly. In other words, it has the limitation.” “我感觉得到,元神在给予我们长生的同时,也束缚了我们的思维。”王崎道:“所谓的修法,终究是一个有限的东西。人创造的修法,现在还没有彻底超越人本身的能力。换句话说,它存在局限性。” Naturally, the human brain also has the limitation. Thinks with the soul and a Yuan god, the organ limitation of brain flesh is bigger, the memory and computing power are the mechanical damages, but also fast senile.” king Qi looks the Yuan god law territory of own palm: But, a Yuan god is the big point prisoner's cage is also bigger than the human brain, has the limit as before. Pins the thought on such limited obvious thing, eventually is some difficulties “当然,人脑也存在局限性。和魂魄、元神想必,脑这个血肉的器官局限性更大,记忆力、计算能力都是硬伤,还会快速衰老。”王崎看着自己掌心的元神法域:“但是,元神也不过是大一点的囚笼比人脑大,依旧存在局限。将思维寄托在这么个局限性明显的事物上,终究是有些困难的” Now ponders this?” Su Jun yu shakes the head: If a non- achievement Yuan god, own computation strength cannot come up, the lots aren't able to understand?” “现在就思考这个?”苏君宇摇摇头:“若是不成就元神,自身的计算力上不去,很多东西就无法理解吧?” But piles up the computation strength is not not possible to solve all arithmetic problems purely.” king Qidao: Indeed, some mathematics problems are the human brain are not truly able to deal with, being probable to build the big magical powers is not possible but I now is not this direction.” “但是单纯堆积计算力不可能解决一切算学问题。”王崎道:“诚然,有些算题确实是人脑无法应付,非得修成大神通不可但我现在不是这个方向啊。” king Qi said must the computation strength domain, the most typical example is the lifeform and meteorology. Even if these magnanimous data become the model abstractly, is unable even to believe to equation many people of form Earth, the complicated model that this type has the chaos nature could code in the artificial intelligence, but the human brain is unable to understand absolutely. 王崎说的“非得计算力的领域”,最典型的例子就是生物、气象。那些海量的数据就算抽象成模型,也无法到方程的形式地球的许多人甚至认为,这种带有混沌性质的复杂模型或许能够在人工智能上编码,但是人脑绝对无法理解。 In universe that this applies gross distance one paper, many magical powers magic arts side supported this viewpoint actually. dragon Zuhua the shape magical powers, do not enter high rank cannot display, is such reason. 这个应用到理论距离不过一张纸的宇宙里,有许多神通法术倒是侧面佐证了这个观点。龙族化形神通,不入高阶不可施展,就是这么个原因。 Inadequate high rank, even understood that cannot achieve. 不成高阶,连理解都做不到。 The application of math emphasized the computation strength, but its exploration actually may not depend on the computation strength hard pile. 只是,数学的应用非常强调计算力,但是其探索却不一定能够靠计算力硬堆。 Naturally, has „the problems of three bodies this computation strength unable to come up, Henry Poincarb almost planted example and that's the end. 当然,也存在“三体问题”这种计算力上不去,就连亨利庞加莱都差点栽了的例子就是了。 Su Jun yu said: I felt actually, is a Yuan god is important. After stepping into high rank, so long as agrees words time, little reverses own cultivating law, is not cannot achieve.” 苏君宇道:“我倒是觉得,还是元神重要。踏入高阶之后,只要肯话时间,一点点的扭转自己的修法,也不是不能做到。” Repairs to high be longer?” king Qi shakes the head: That might as well thinks that stepped into again high rank. Now only then such a opportunity.” “只是修为越高就越长是吧?”王崎摇摇头:“那还不如想好了再踏入高阶。现在就只有这么一个机会呢。” king Qi this type has completed my law such as a member, the succinct own supernatural power, feared again can the millenniums and even ten thousand years be the unit. The immortals were long-time their life span to be infinite, the patience was not infinite. 王崎这种已经完成了我法如一的修士,重新洗练自己的法力,怕是得以千年乃至万年为单位。仙人就更加长久了他们寿命无限,耐性可不是无限的。 You do not think the Yuan god temporarily.” Su Jun yu shakes the head, does not demand: That merit law deduction that on the other hand, we carry out together, do you also want to join?” “你暂时不想元神也可以。”苏君宇摇摇头,也不强求:“话说回来,咱们一起搞的那个功法推演,你还想加入吗?” This, I will not put in the main energy on that. Although is also very important, that team that but you do has taken the right track, I do not need to make anything, decided a general orientation on the line.” “这个啊,我不会将主要精力都投入在那个上面的。虽然也挺重要,但是你搞出的那个班子已经走上正轨了,我也不需要去做什么,定个大方向就行了。” I thought that you are very careful.” “我觉得你还是挺上心的。” That is also relative.” king Qi said with a smile: This system has taken the right track. My previous and Ai Qinglan fights, the result is really good, does the probably entire divine land have 100,000 people to cultivate?” “那也是相对。”王崎笑道:“这个体系已经走上正轨了。我上次和艾轻兰一战,收效甚佳,好像整个神州已经有十万人修炼了?” Probably must be more.” Thinks of this, Su Jun yu could not bear smile. “好像还要更多。”想到这个,苏君宇也忍不住笑了。 Two the other shore chapter is to become the merit law of system, does not need the follower to cultivate the trigram to calculate beforehand specially surely after developed the record with the day. But it is also very suitable as the merit law of minor. Regardless of before a member, what cultivates is anything, cultivates what level, will minor in empty the merit law not to have the fault. 两相彼岸章是成体系的功法,已经不需要修炼者事先专门修炼爻定算经和天演图录了。而它也很适合作为辅修的功法。无论一个修士之前修炼的是什么、修炼到何种层次,兼修虚相功法都不会有坏处。 Let alone, king Sakiya promotes had been known as that cultivates can also learn simplified version „the actual situation two chapter. 更何况,王崎也推出过号称“古法修也能学会”的简化版“虚实两相章”。 This follower are absolutely many. 这修炼者绝对不少。 Crowd has, will gradually proliferate.” king Qidao: That side god Capital will also develop this usage immortal pledge safeguard that cultivates the law and Shintoism/Divine Dao coincides. Because this is an entire open merit law, how long will therefore unable to present other research and development, even presented the benign competition. Even if I deliberately do not push, it still meets to move.” “人群已经有了,而且将会逐渐扩散出去。”王崎道:“神京那边也会开发这一门修法与神道相合的用法仙盟保障哦。由于这是一个全开放的功法,所以要不了多久就会出现其他研发者,甚至出现良性的竞争。就算我不刻意去推,它也会自己动。” In the team as for our school, I planned building will become one precise and advanced, grasps the industry general orientation the thing. Also is my control to this family merit law following development.” “至于咱们门派之内的这个班子呢,我打算将之打造成一个高精尖的、把握行业大方向的东西。也算是我对这一门功法后续发展的掌控。” king Qi spoke with confidence. These strategies, he very early thought. 王崎侃侃而谈。这些战略,他很早就想好了。 „It seems like the matter of cultivation some of your also plans, the matter of arithmetic also has own idea, was I talks too much.” Su Jun yu smiles: What aren't you person who the past what did not understand recently had to plan?” “看起来修炼的事情你也有打算,算学的事也有自己的想法,是我多嘴了。”苏君宇笑了笑:“你已经不是当年什么都不懂的人了最近有什么计划?” Also really has.” king Qidao: I planned recently uses own time to visit thousand machine pavilion, is brings both sides together, discussed me to cultivating the next conception of law with Turing honorable person while convenient. If Turing honorable person and That side Teacher Feng thought that this plan has the gate, I will entrust it. Then, I will handle the things in some academic aspects.” “还真有。”王崎道:“我最近打算利用自己的时间去拜访千机阁一趟,算是牵线搭桥,顺便与图灵真人讨论一下我对修法的下一步构想。如果图灵真人和冯老师那边都觉得这个计划有门的话,那我就会将之托付下去。接着,我会做一些学术方面的事情吧。” Su Jun yu asked low voice: Hey, Brothers, can this time you disclose a direction? Do not subvert 苏君宇小声问道:“喂,兄弟,这次你能不能透露一点方向?别太颠覆” Foundation.” king Qi categorical saying. “基础。”王崎斩钉截铁的说道。 Ling very cold the mountain breeze, blew off here last summer heat. 凌冽的山风,吹散了这里最后一丝暑气。 Ten thousand laws calculate forest Yuan, is ten thousand method biggest libraries. Other here not place such, are an appearance of book building, but is an occupying land area extremely broad botanical garden. In botanical garden, everywhere weeping willow brook. By bookshelf that the magic arts protect above both sides corridors, above during the innumerable arithmetic ancient book exhibition, the stone table stone stool scatters. 万法算林苑,正是万法门最大的书斋。这里并非其他地方那样,是一个书楼的样子,而是一句占地极广的园林。园林之中,处处垂柳溪流。以法术护住的书架就在两侧的长廊之上,无数算学典籍陈列其上,石桌石凳散落其间。 Above these weeping willows, but also is many paper. If the unclear person looked, thinks what mostly these papers sign write is what fluttering flags illusion, or all sorts of poetic appeal, again badly are also being on intimate terms information. 那些垂柳之上,还系着许多纸条。若是不明就里的人看了,多半会以为这些纸签上写着的是什么旖旎幻梦,或者种种诗情,再不济也是相亲信息。 But in fact, the contents of these paper evenly mostly are this type. 但实际上,这些纸条的内容平多半是这种。 Measure issue, seeking the same side of good group theory and set, the interested people welcome to meeting under Tianfeng “测度问题,求善群论、集合的同门,有意者请到接天峰下” Asked the young lad and apprentice, requested to meet the analysis situs, immortal “求童子、学徒,要求会拓扑,仙籍” Regarding the homotopy issue, my understanding strove for having a common goal as follows “对于同伦问题,我的理解如下求志同道合者” These are about representative the recent research direction. 这些大约就代表着最近的研究方向。 But on nearby some flagstones, many people leave behind idea this that oneself abandon are hope that others do not step onto with the similar path. 而一旁的一些石板上,还有许多人留下自己废弃的想法这就是希望别人不要走上和自己差不多的道路。 Su Jun yu somewhat felt strange: Junior Brother, what do you come to this place to make?” 苏君宇有些奇怪:“师弟,你来这个地方做什么?” This place truly is many member discussed that the place of arithmetic, however present king Qi did not seem to need to come to here to be right. 这个地方确实是许多修士讨论算学的地方,但是如今的王崎似乎不需要来这里了才对。 For foundation.” king Qi is brief and to the point. His spirit knowledge fast has swept these paper, then falls on these book silly females to bookshelf. “为了基础。”王崎言简意赅。他的灵识飞快的扫过那些纸条,然后落到书架上的那些书傻女。 Because of some special reasons, I plans to come back to do some insignificant work in the half year.” To be continued. “因为一些特殊的原因,这半年我打算回过头去做一些微不足道的工作。”未完待续。 ... ...
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