The instructions machine is the thing that one type not possible to be constructed. Its nature, is close to the physics in the middle of „ideological experiment” and „ideal conditions” wait/etc, not possible reappeared thing in reality. 谕示机是一种不可能被构造出来的东西。它的性质,更接近与物理学当中的“思想实验”、“理想条件”等等,是在现实当中不可能被再现的东西。 Instructions machine that has about the undecidability problem, is not possible to be constructed from the beginning. 一个有关于不可判定问题的谕示机,更是从一开始就不可能被构造出来。 This is only drawing support from a fantasy the concept, estimates the concept of having the possibility, obtains a real not empty result. 这只是在借助一个空想的概念,去揣摩一个有可能的概念,来得到一个真实不虚的结果。 Just, this result, sounding is actually teaches the person to despair. 只不过,这个结果,听起来却是教人绝望。 „Doesn't the main road Saint sound in fantasy have the means complete this certificate?” Feng Luoyi smiles reluctantly, losing that in the middle of the look cannot conceal. “就连空想之中的大道圣音也没办法完整这项证明吗？”冯落衣勉强笑了笑,眼神当中是掩饰不住的失落。 Even if opened during the human imagination strongest external, is impossible the boundary that bypasses this „to refer to delimiting”. 就算开了个人类想象当中最强的外挂,也不可能绕过这个“自我指涉”划出的界限。 Turing honorable person sipped tea, said in a low voice: „I think, perhaps we do not need to walk in this direction again......” 图灵真人啜了一口茶,低声道:“我想,我们或许不必再往这个方向走了……” „Listening respectfully ‚main road Saint sound’ cannot explain the concept of......” Feng Luoyi as if takes to heart, repeated one. “聆听‘大道圣音’都解释不了的概念……”冯落衣似乎耿耿于怀,又重复了一句。 „Teacher, actually this might also be our imagination limit our method.” king Qidao: „The idea of Turing honorable person, truly is to the utmost the strong point of imagination. However, Turing honorable person ‚imagination’, what infers as before according to his ‚experience’ is the experience infers according to ‚has poverty’. Perhaps, in the world really has a method, can bypass refers to fording, our thoughts could not just have realized at present.” “老师,其实这也有可能是我们的想象力限制了我们的手段。”王崎道:“图灵真人的想法,确实是极尽想象之能事。但是,图灵真人的‘想象’,依旧是根据他的‘经验’推理出的是根据‘有穷’的经验推导出的。或许,世界上真的存在一种方法,可以绕过自我指涉,只不过我们的思维目前还根本意识不到。” In the middle of Feng Luoyi tone brings a dispiritedness: „Infinite and has...... us poorly, once related to ‚willfully’, related to ‚infinite’, will be unable to take a single step forward...... has arrives poorly infinitely, is the limit that we know? Said, calculates Monarch that bastard was also right? In the world doesn't exist infinitely?” 冯落衣语气当中带着一丝颓唐:“无穷和有穷……我们一旦涉及‘任意’,涉及‘无限’,就会寸步难行……有穷到无穷,就是我们认识的极限？还是说,算君那混蛋又对了？世界上根本就不存在无穷？” In the middle of the universe, the quality of material has poorly otherwise, according to the characteristics that the attraction extends infinitely, an infinite universe, among each point attraction is infinite. 宇宙当中,物质的质量是有穷的不然的话,按照引力无限延伸的特性,一个无穷的宇宙,其内每一个点的引力都是无穷的。 The lumpy mass has the poverty, then in the middle of the universe fundamental particle number also has poorly. 总质量有穷,那么宇宙当中的基本粒子数也是有穷的。 The entire universe as if also does not have any to need to count infinitely. 整个宇宙似乎也没有什么需要无穷来计数。 Human never has known „infinitely”. All about „infinite” concept, in fact according to materialism „has poverty” to deduce. 人类从未认识过“无穷”。一切关于“无穷”的概念,实际上都是根据人类认识到的“有穷”推演出来的。 Therefore , the school of mathematician strongly requests „infinitely” this concept to delete from the ancient book. Infinite is just one „analogy”, „described”. Does not exist in world. 因此,也有一派数学家强烈的要求将“无穷”这个概念从典籍中删除出去。无穷只不过是一个“比喻”,一个“形容”。并不真实存在于世间。 As for research „infinite” the person of issue, that is the pure idiot. 至于研究“无穷”问题的人,那都是纯粹的白痴。 king Qi shakes the head, refutes: „In the middle of the real world, exists to have the poor boundary line?” He twists a tea leaves from the teacup: „Is this leaf perimeter in fact much long?” He transformed a piece of nautical chart: „Coastline of divine land Xijiang how long?” 王崎摇摇头,反驳道:“现实世界当中,存在有穷的边界线吗？”他从茶杯当中捻出一片茶叶:“这片叶子实际上的周长是多长？”他又幻化出了一片海图:“神州西疆的海岸线又有多长？” This is actual infinite. 这就是实际存在的无限。 The leaf blade edge of any plant has the sawtooth to exist. Above these denticles, there is a slighter sawtooth. Naturally. This type „slight” has not continued. But in fact, anything, association's structure constitution by foundation. 任何植物的叶片边缘都有锯齿存在。那些锯齿之上,又有更加细微的锯齿。当然。这种“细微”也不会一直持续下去。可实际上,任何东西,总会由更加基础的结构构成。 The length of coastline is also same. 海岸线的长度也是一样。 Just like the leaf blade, the coastline on is also a line fold by no scene. 和叶片一样,海岸线至极上也是由一条无现场的线折叠而成。 In the natural domain, does not exist strict according to the standard one-dimensional line segment or the standard two dimensional graphics that the how much presents. 在自然的领域当中,并不存在严格按照几何出现的标准一维线段或者标准二维图形。 This being between one-dimensional and two-dimensional between fractal dimension, are instead more. 这种介乎一维和二维之间的分维,反而更多。 This is actual „infinite”. 这就是实际存在的“无穷”。 Calculates that Mr.'s approach, was extremely extreme. Goes to the infinite approach waste, waits, if breaks arithmetic one finger/refers. 算君的做法,太过偏激了。废去无穷的做法,等若是断算学一指。 Feng Luoyi manner is somewhat low: „Even as you said that our cognition limited us, but can the possibility that bypasses this limit what...... we make beyond our cognition?” 冯落衣神态还是有些低落:“即使真如你所说,我们的认知限制了我们,而绕过这个限制的可能性在我们认知之外……我们能够做什么？” „I live have the border to know also boundlessly. By having border along with boundlessly. Danger already.” “吾生也有涯而知也无涯。以有涯随无涯。殆已。” The cognition of person is eventually limited. However, the mystery probably is infinite. By having the poor life pursues the infinite cognition, itself was very sorrowful. 人的认知终究是有限的。但是,奥秘却像是无穷的。以有穷的生命去追逐无穷的认知,本身就很悲哀了。 Especially, the thing when you pursue from the beginning beyond your cognition, from the beginning not possible to be known by you. 尤其是,当你追求的东西一开始就在你的认知之外,一开始就不可能被你所知晓。 As if is doomed general. 仿佛就是注定一般。 Regarding seeking, nothing was more sorrowful than this. 对于求道者来说,没有什么比这个更加悲哀了。 king Qi the look has not actually vacillated as before. He passed through the baptism of related logic and philosophy on Earth, the mind already firm and resolute incomparable: „No, Teacher, this world does not exist ‚is unable cognition’, be only ‚is still not able to confirm’.” 王崎的神色却依旧没有动摇。他在地球上就经过了相关逻辑学、哲学的洗礼,心神早就坚毅无比:“不,老师,此世不存在‘无法认知’,只有‘尚无法确认’。” This world. Does not exist „” unknowable, only existed „was still unknowable”. 这个世界。不存在“不可知”,只存在“尚不可知”。 This seems like an direction of the world outlook, but regarding king Qi, this direction is his ambition foundation. 这看起来好像就是一个世界观的指向,但是对于王崎来说,这个指向就是他志向的根基。 „Was still unknowable”. Represents one day can also turn into „knowledge” sooner or later even „known”. “尚不可知”。就代表迟早有一天也能够变成“可知”甚至“已知”。 „Had this condition, can only explain that our arithmetic are very primitive, but also in stage of start. Even in natural law Bing the logic, we completely have not known. We have a long way to go.” “出现了这种状况,只能说明我们的算学还很原始,还在起步的阶段。就算是自然规律内秉的的逻辑,我们也不曾尽知。我们还有很长的路要走。” In Turing honorable person eyes flashes through a curious color: „To open the door, must obtain the key, but key in that head of gate. To gain the key. Must open the door...... even this, you still believe that we can collapse?” 图灵真人眼中闪过一丝好奇之色:“想要开门,就得获得钥匙,可钥匙又在门的那一头。想要获取钥匙。就必须开门……即使这样,你也相信我们能够破局？” „Gate not necessarily only then a leaf, the key not necessarily only has. Just, our team ‚gate’ has not explored, naturally could not find ‚key’.” “门未必只有一扇,钥匙未必只有一把。只不过,我们队‘门这边’还没探索完,自然找不到‘钥匙’。” „Sounds is more like the belief.” “听上去更像是信仰。” king Qi said with a smile: „I then believe this.” 王崎笑道:“我便信这个。” Feng Luoyi vacillation also only continued the short moment. Quick he swept clean all dispirited colors in eye, restored usually in calm free: „Yes, my clear...... was a pity. I want to discover a collapsing road, then gives hope the gate lord to have a look, making him do not give up hoping......” 冯落衣的动摇也只持续了短短片刻。很快他就扫清了眼中的一切颓唐之色,恢复了平素里的冷静自若:“是啊,我明白的……只是可惜了。我原本是想找出一条破局的路,然后再给希门主看看,让他不要放弃希望……” Only pitifully, this domain, probably is the discovery is desperate. Most starts, king Qi just draws an indistinct line, told everyone, this off-line, all may not guess . This time, Turing honorable person almost kills all „had explored the way” the idea. 只可惜,这个领域,好像越是发现就越是绝望。最开始,王崎只不过是划出一条隐约的线,告诉所有人,这条线外,所有的一切都不可揣测,。这一次,图灵真人几乎打死了所有“过界探路”的想法。 The front is roadless. 前方无路。 Turing honorable person shakes the head: „Moon/Month cold mister does not need to rebuke oneself. This is not your wrong...... must blame, then can only blame me to have lost/carrying holds.” 图灵真人摇摇头:“月寒先生不必自责。这也不是你的错……要责怪,便只能责怪我有负所托吧。” Feng Luoyi then entrusts before several months in this aspect most has the Turing honorable person of talent, making him seek for a collapsing mentality. 冯落衣在数月之前便托付在这方面最有才情的图灵真人,让他寻找一条破局的思路。 „Has lost/carrying holds...... to be far.” Feng Luoyi tone is light: „Logic is this, such as constant, is not Shengchang, does not perish for the demon. You are just discover” “有负所托……谈不上。”冯落衣语气平淡:“逻辑就是这样,如道恒常,不为圣昌,不为魔亡。你只不过是发现罢了” Turing honorable person asked: „That present......” 图灵真人问道:“那现在……” „Cannot drag again.” Feng Luoyi closed eye „not completely, is not possible to determine in my pressure nearly a half year. A half year! Present song courtyard, but also was towed to walk...... this toward the path that on you overrule by the Greek gate lord is not absolutely good.” “不能再拖了。”冯落衣闭上眼睛“不完备、不可判定在我这里压了快半年了。半年啊！现在的歌庭,还在被希门主拖着往你们否决的道路上走……这绝对不行。” „Although said somewhat brutally. However, we are this, without the means stops for a person.” “虽然这么说有些无情。但是,我们就是这样,没办法为了一个人而停下来。” „Particularly...... we currently have newly calculates that the structure must promote. You two papers press for day here, calculates that and new research of ten thousand immortal illusion domains are for late day to launch.” “尤其是……我们现在有新的算器结构要推广了。你们两个的论文在我这里多压一天,算器、万仙幻境领域的新研究就晚一天展开。” „But incessantly so!” Turing honorable person and Greek gate Lord do not get to know each other well. Does not have Feng Luoyi that mood. In the middle of his look, but also is somewhat inspired: „I am dim some ideas. I felt, we soon must tread the category that 23 asked that went to a new domain.” “可不止如此啊！”图灵真人与希门主并不如何相熟。并没有冯落衣那种情绪。他的神色当中,还有几分振奋:“我还朦朦胧胧有一些想法。我感觉,我们即将要踏出二十三问的范畴,去到一个新的领域。” The foundation of logical and even people cognition. Henceforth must change! 逻辑乃至人们认知的基础。从此都要改变！ „I was clear. These things, I will arrange, you first go back...... me also to plan well, needing a person calm down a bit.” “我清楚了。这些事情,我会安排好的,你们先回去吧……我还要好好谋划,需要一个人静一静。” king Qi nods, will leave. Turing honorable person stopped by calling out him: „Little friend. Here also several ideas want to talk with you. You under and others then adopt ten thousand immortal illusion saying that there me was good.” 王崎点点头,正要离开。图灵真人却叫住了他:“小友。我这里还有几个想法想要与你交谈一下。你等下便通过万仙幻境道我那儿好了。” king Qizi will not refuse to exchange with the calculation family/home of this rank. He nods, first step leaves, then Turing honorable person also departs in law of Yu Chuan the swimming. 王崎自不会拒绝与这种等级的算家交流。他点点头,先一步离开,然后图灵真人也以相宇穿游之法离去。 Feng Luoyi sat in meditation a while, suddenly opens the mouth saying: „Since came, why doesn't reveal the body to see?” 冯落衣静坐了一会儿,突然开口道:“既然来了,为何不显身一见？” Calculates that Monarch Pang Jia seems like with some type shrinks the bone merit to deliver in an eyelet to push, the figure is irritable. Crossed some little time, his incarnation restores the normal state. He snort/hum: „‚Treads category that 23 asked’? That good homosexuality also really dares to say. I have not entered the category that nuisance 23 have asked.” 算君庞家莱好像是用某种缩骨功送一个小孔里挤出来的,身形别扭无比。过了好一会,他的化身才恢复常态。他哼了哼:“‘踏出二十三问的范畴’？那个好断袖的还真敢说啊。我就从没进过那劳什子二十三问的范畴。” Initially does not know is the difference of personal emotion concept, calculates Lord, when listed 23 to ask, neglected unintentionally calculates that Monarch contributed the biggest several domains. 当初也不知是观念之差别还是私人情感,算主在列出二十三问的时候,有意无意的忽略了算君贡献最大的几个领域。 In the middle of that several domains, but also including „analysis situs” such category. 那几个领域当中,还包括“拓扑”这样的大类。 Thread of conversation that Feng Luoyi has not met the opposite party. But is cold -ly snorted and said: „Listens to the corner is not good, has to lose you to calculate Mr.'s demeanor.” 冯落衣没有接对方的话茬。而是冷哼道:“听墙角可不好,有失你算君的风度。” „Demeanor does to give the waste to look. I thought that is unnecessary.” Calculates meaning that Monarch has not denied probably completely: „Furthermore, I want to listen frankly and uprightly, however your illusion against wall is too strong, I can only the coming in old man not be unhappy your anything logic, is not does not understand, this against wall could not have defended me......” “风度是做出来给废物看的。我觉得毫无必要。”算君好像完全没有否认的意思:“再者,我本想光明正大的听,但是你的幻境防壁太强,我只能强进来老夫只是不喜你们那什么逻辑,又不是不懂,这防壁还防不住我……” Feng Luoyi is not strange calculates why Monarch can „strong” enter here, had not asked that he listened to many, but asked directly: „What idea do you have?” 冯落衣并不奇怪算君为什么能够“强”进这里,也没有问他听去了多少,而是直接问道:“你有什么想法？” „Does not have any special idea. Originally I am only urge you, making you a bit faster public is incomplete may determine. Decision that since you have made. When that I had not said.” Calculates that Monarch Pang Jia Legen this/Ben does not conceal oneself attitude. He did not care that the incomplete that a series of things, he only relates to calculate when lord clear such thing to promote arithmetic, but also „his world” a purity: „I felt, you at this matter. The investment were too many, initially we chose by acclamation you to handle the routine of divine land, to not let you depending on the one's own selfish interests, wastes ten thousand methods the resources to help clear that idiot bypass the knowledge to see the barrier.” “没有什么特殊的想法。本来我只是来催一催你,让你快点公开不完备可不可判定的。既然你已经做出的决定。那就当我没说。”算君庞家莱根本不掩饰自己的态度。他不关心不完备那一系列的东西,他只关系算主希柏澈那样的东西什么时候推出算学界,还“他的世界”一个清净:“我觉得,你在这件事上。投入太多了,当初我们公推你处理神州的常务,可不是为了让你凭一己之私,浪费万法门的资源帮助希柏澈那蠢货绕过知见障的。” „This matter also has no need for you teaching.” In the middle of Feng Luoyi look does not reveal the angry look, responded: „I asked you to come back, wants to make you play the deterrent role. As for concrete thing. Also does not need the senior you to handle.” “这件事也用不着你来教。”冯落衣眼神当中不显怒色,回应道:“我之所以请您回来,也只是想让您起个威慑作用。至于具体的东西。也不需要前辈您经手。” „Oh.” Calculates that Monarch laughs loudly: „Old seniors...... may I not feel. A saying, I took back the front while convenient, I did not think that you hundred did not have uses.” “啊哈哈哈哈哈。”算君放声大笑:“老前辈吗……可我不觉得啊。顺便一说,我收回前沿,我也不觉得你们百无一用了。” „Also is by your inspirations, I have the discovery above the arithmetic! Sees clear that pitiful appearance, I more felt, cannot be confused by the prejudice, cannot become established law to confuse. I felt recently, I also soon had to break through...... did not say did not say, goes back to continue to study diligently.” “也算是受你们的启发,我在算学之上又有发现啊！看到希柏澈那个凄惨的样子,我就越是觉得,不能被成见所迷惑,不能被成法所迷惑。我最近觉得,我又快要有突破了……不说了不说了,回去继续钻研了。” After calculating Monarch walks, the small peaceful room again is silent. Passed the moment, Feng Luoyi finger from the sky paddles the moment: „Starts......” 待到算君走后,小小静室再寂静无声。过了片刻,冯落衣的手指在空中划动片刻:“开始吧……” Starts to calculate that Lord and song courtyard sends the heyday time answering a curtain call.( To be continued.) The mobile phone user please visit http://m.piaotian.net 开始算主与歌庭派极盛时代的谢幕式。(未完待续。)手机用户请访问http://m.piaotian.net