WIIC :: Volume #4

#182: Initially peeps


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Regarding king Zaki's arithmetic level, thin Xiaofeng acknowledged. king Qi these years publish the paper a lot. He must publish three to five papers on average every month. These paper majority can only say that is fair, does not seem like «discusses amp ; lt ; Ten thousand laws calculate that hides amp ; gt ; In volume arithmetic formally may not the statement and system-related» determination and «by May Calculate Number And Application in Determination Issue», place that does not have any extremely subverts, is not loses face/shows off, but absolutely is not bad. 对于王崎的算学水平,薄笑风还是承认的。王崎这些年没少发表论文。他平均每个月都要发表三到五篇论文。这些论文大多数都只能说是“中规中矩”,不像是《试论amp;lt;万法算藏amp;gt;卷一算术篇中形式上不可判定之陈述及相关系统》与《论可计算数及其在判定问题上的应用》,没有什么太过颠覆的地方,不算出彩,但是也绝对不差。 78 years later, more than 300 papers, to people, could have been called are the abundant accumulations. 七八年下来,三百多篇论文,对于一般人来说,就已经称得上是雄厚的积累了。 But falls in the having a mind person eyes, in these papers, can little peeps king Qi the mentality, or the path of his thought. Again bad, can see his thought. 而落在有心人眼中,这些论文里面,也可以一点点的窥出王崎的思路,或者他思维的轨迹。再不济,也可以看出他的思想。 People think that king Qi should belong to the sect, is in paper that because he accumulated for these years, manifested to the mentality of sect. For example, he initially with furry algorithm of thin Xiaoya initially structure, most foundation is the multi-dimensional judgment and fuzzy set triggers from the set theory, constructs the axiomatics, this is also to the typical mentality of sect. 人们认为王崎应该被归入离宗,也是因为他这几年积累的论文里面,多体现了离宗的思路。比如说,他当初和薄筱雅初步构造的模糊算法,最根基的就是多元判断、模糊集合从集合论触发,构建公理体系,这也算是离宗的典型思路。 To them, this type axiom is skeleton. Several axioms can support a system. Regarding to the calculation family/home of sect, nothing compared with this more wonderful. 对于他们来说,这种“公理”就是“骨架”。几道公理就可以支撑起一个体系。对于离宗的算家来说,没有什么比这个更美妙的了。 king Qi in the middle of paper mentality that uses to the sect massively, others naturally will regard as to the member of sect. 王崎在论文当中大量采用离宗的思路,他人自然将之视为离宗的一份子。 This is also thin Xiaofeng after seeing king Qi the note, then surprised reason. 这也是薄笑风在看到王崎的笔记之后,那么惊讶的原因。 king Qi thought. With calculating Lord different, in fact is close is Monarch...... 王崎的思想。与算主相左,实际上更接近算君啊…… Thinks carefully, calculates Lord that is based on the form the thought cannot represent to the sect completely. To sect, actually several with calculating Mr.'s different thought. Is based on the form, rather only in song courtyard faction popular. The song courtyard sends the interior, some people do not approve. 仔细想一想,算主那个“以形式为本”的思想本就不能完全代表离宗。离宗之中,其实还是有好几股与算君不一样的思想的。“以形式为本”,倒不如说只在歌庭派之内流行哦。就连歌庭派内部,也有人不认同。 king Qi is not the Feng Luoyi official disciple, is not the full member who the song courtyard sends , purely in the issue of idea and calculates the lord to contradict in this irrelevant theory, is not the understandable story. 王崎不是冯落衣的正式弟子,更不是歌庭派的正式成员,在这一个无关理论、纯乎理念的问题上与算主相悖,也不是什么不可理解的故事。 However, must say that king Qi level, subverts the present system sufficiently. thin Xiaofeng actually does not believe. 但是,要说王崎的水平,足以颠覆现在的体系。薄笑风却是根本不信的。 The arithmetic is not life that highly concrete division/discipline. The concept can one year trade, the casual what people may make the subversive achievement. 算学不是生灵那种高度具体的学科。概念可以一年一换,随便什么人都有可能做出颠覆性成果。 The arithmetic is not physical that type is between the abstract and concrete between the division/discipline. The person of say/way of gifts of heaven circulation since the elementary force, the short more than 1000 years has passed through subverted several times. The arithmetic is not so. 算学也不是物理那种介乎抽象与具体之间的学科。天物流转之道自元力上人以来,短短一千多年就已经经过数度颠覆。算学则不然。 The arithmetic abstracts highly, in 60,000 years of arithmetic history, only then twice subversive discoveries. 算学是高度抽象化的,六万年的算学史上,也只有两次颠覆性的发现。 To make what subversive achievement in the arithmetic domain, was too difficult. 想要在算学领域做出什么颠覆性的成果,实在太难了。 About Su Jun yu that king Qi wrote subversive paper news, thin Xiaofeng the first response is: Should concerns the indistinct say/way? The common people national champion besides is arithmetic everyone. Is indistinct say/way one of the many pathfinders.” 关于苏君宇那个“王崎写出了颠覆性论文”的消息,薄笑风的第一反应就是:“应该是关乎缥缈之道的吧?苍生国手除了是算学大家之外。更是缥缈之道的诸多开创者之一。” Regarding this, Su Jun yu shows the whites of the eyes: You said why opens this training, is our ten thousand methods?” 对此,苏君宇翻了个白眼:“那你说,为什么开这种培训的,是我们万法门?” In brief, no matter how thin Xiaofeng saw, Su Jun yu felt, oneself found a mentality. 总之,不管薄笑风怎么看,苏君宇是觉得,自己算是找到了一点思路了。 From now on, on Su Jun yu scratch paper, besides operator, many innumerable circles. In the circle is the mathematical formula., Sometimes, he will also take up «Ten thousand Laws To calculate that concealed» gnaws hardly. When reads the book, he will also write anything on the scratch paper. 自此,苏君宇的草稿纸上,除了算符之外,又多了无数的圆圈。圆圈之中才是算式。,有的时候,他还会拿起一本《万法算藏》硬啃。而在啃书的时候,他也会在草稿纸上写些什么。 thin Xiaoya asked secretly own elder brother: What Senior Brother Su is that...... these circles is?” 薄筱雅偷偷的问自家兄长:“苏师兄那是……那些圈子是什么?” Su Jun yu conducts this research, has several days. 苏君宇进行这一项研究,已经有好几天了。 thin Xiaofeng and Su Jun yu also knew many years of old friend: Should be represents set? He excels at from intuitively the angle pondered. If must say that mentality......, asserted that is also even/including sect. But he is that type to look at not the heavy person to even/including Zongli the sect difference, king Qi who can therefore with can be called represents to the sect is the friend.” 薄笑风和苏君宇也算是认识了多年的老朋友:“应该是代表‘集合’吧?他更擅长从‘直观’的角度去思考。如果要说思路的话……嗯,硬说也是偏连宗的。只不过他属于那种对连宗离宗分歧看得不重的人,所以才能和称得上离宗代表的王崎做朋友。” To Representative sect?” thin Xiaofeng these words to exit|to speak. Some people jump to oppose immediately. “离宗代表?”薄笑风这句话以出口。就立刻有人跳出来表示反对。 thin Xiaofeng knows this person. He named Qinchuan, gold/metal pill progression, ten thousand law true lines. He also belongs to the disciple of sect. thin Xiao the hearing by rumor word, leaves said: What's wrong? My words, do you have the objection?” 薄笑风识得这个人。他名叫秦川和,金丹级数,万法真传。他同样是属于离宗的弟子。薄笑风闻言,出言道:“怎么了?我的话,你有异议?” Hehe, other good, leaves Representative sect only ‚’.” Qinchuan and gets angry: „Were we to the sect, when one's turn him to represent?” “呵呵,别的还好,就唯独‘离宗代表’一句。”秦川和怒道:“我们离宗,什么时候轮到他代表了?” Hehe, I correct. Among low generation of disciple, to the representative of sect.” thin Xiaofeng corrected oneself view, making it define is more explicit. “呵呵呵,我更正一下。低辈弟子当中,离宗的代表人物。”薄笑风更正了自己的说法,使之定义更加明确。 In the middle of Qinchuan and look anger really: I am not this meaning.” 秦川和眼神当中的怒意更甚:“我不是这个意思。” thin Xiaofeng shrugs: Was not I says. Among the low rank disciple, explicitly expressed oneself belong to sect does not calculate too, loses face/shows off are less the words that...... king Qi did not calculate, actually also few individual qualified?” 薄笑风耸耸肩:“可不是我说啊。低阶弟子当中,明确表示自己属于离宗者不算太多,其中出彩的就更少了……王崎不算的话,其实也没几个人够格吧?” No matter, only then king Qi, is not absolutely good!” That named Qinchuan and ten thousand method disciples seemed to be enraged: king Qi that fellow, his thoughts no longer leave on the sect...... to leave the sect most fundamental duty radically, should be the uniformity, completeness and decidability proof arithmetic. But the path of his axiomization, abandoned these three most important work radically......” “不管谁都可以,只有王崎,绝对不行!”那个叫秦川和的万法门弟子似乎被激怒了:“王崎那个家伙,他的心思根本就不再离宗上……离宗最根本的任务,应该是证明算学的一致性、完备性、可判定性。可是他公理化的路子,根本就是抛开了这三个最重要的工作……” thin Xiaofeng the squint looks at the Qinchuan and: But I remember, now the completeness proves, most important is also the only proof at present, is king Qi Wang complete law? First-order logic completeness proof?” 薄笑风斜眼看着秦川和:“可我记得,现在完备性证明上,最重要的也是目前唯一的证明,是王崎的‘王氏完备律’吧?一阶逻辑完备性证明?” thin Xiaoya hurries to nod: Un un, that is great!” 薄筱雅赶紧点头:“嗯嗯,那才了不起啊!” Therefore, king Qi that boy is hateful!” Qinchuan and a face get angry it does not struggle the facial expression: „After obtaining the complete proof of first-order logic, should continues to set out toward second-order or the multi-stage be! But the fellow, his following arithmetic axiom completeness, is by the method achievement of being opportunistic, does not have the universality! If I have the talent of his level......” “所以,王崎那厮才可恨啊!”秦川和一脸“怒其不争”的神情:“取得了一阶逻辑的完备性证明之后,应该向着二阶或者多阶继续进发才是!可是那家伙,他后面的算术公理完备性,还是靠取巧的方法成就,根本不具备普适性!如果我有他那种水准的天赋……” At this time, another member before another desk stretches the body forward, the insertion talked: Words that wanted me to speak, you left sect also this. Said over and over again also on this thing, your people on one's own side felt unreliable...... ha, eventually only then some under simple-minded talents will go to believe.” 这个时候,另外一个修士从另一张书桌前探过身,插入对话:“要我说的话,你们离宗也就这样的。说来说去也就这点东西,就连你们自己人都觉得靠不住……哈哈哈,终究只有一些下愚之人才会去信。” This person is also ten thousand method true line disciples, named the Somalian colorful rainbow. When king Qi just arrived in god Capital, he had provoked king Qi, then very unfortunate defeat in king Qi the hand. This person is to also tie pill now cultivates is. However looked that his supernatural power empty does not congeal, should tie pill in these two days, then comes by drawing immediately. 此人亦是一名万法门真传弟子,名叫索文虹。在王崎刚刚到神京的时候,他曾经挑衅过王崎,然后很不幸的败在了王崎手上。此人如今也是结丹修为。不过看他法力虚而不凝,应该是在这两天才堪堪结丹,然后就立刻被拉过来。 This person is even/including sect the disciple, time however aims in above to the sect everywhere. 此人乃是连宗的弟子,于其上次然处处针对离宗。 You......” Qinchuan and jumped, must fight with the Somalian colorful rainbow. At this moment, the bit god grandmaster look of not far away swept. In this, contains the fearful might. The member of two ten thousand methods only thought that such as the falling ice cave, sobered immediately. “你……”秦川和跳了起来,就要与索文虹撕打起来。就在这时,不远处的一位元神宗师眼神扫了过来。这一眼之中,包含着慑人的威力。两个万法门的修士只觉得如坠冰窟,立马就清醒了过来。 This is a quite broad elegant room, the low rank elites about hundred ten thousand methods gather here, is discussing in threes and fours. The sound of discussion is not loud, but will not affect the opposite party. But quarrel, non- in the acceptable range. 这是一件较为宽阔的雅室,近百名万法门的低阶精英聚集在这里,正三五成群的讨论着。讨论的声音不大,但彼此之间不会影响对方。而争吵,就不在允许的范围之内了。 Considering that ten thousand method that leave the sect and among even/including sect the bad relations, this safety measure is together essential. 考虑到万法门那离宗、连宗之间恶劣的关系,这一道保险措施必不可少。 Two people resentful letting loose each other. The Somalian colorful rainbow retrocedes two steps. But another side, Qinchuan and inquired the Bo brother and sister calmly: On the other hand, this time except for what issue? Why...... why will we be convened to make such training? Moreover looked at my grandmaster a moment ago, he comes across, probably...... does not seem like our ten thousand methods is the same.” 两人悻悻的放开彼此。索文虹后退两步。而另一边,秦川和则若无其事的询问薄家兄妹:“话说回来,这一次到底是除了什么问题?为什么……为什么我们会被召集过来做这样的集训?而且刚才看我的那个宗师,他给人的感觉,好像……好像根本就不是我们万法门的一样。” Should be Yang Shenge, preventing the humane heart collapse to go crazy.” thin Xiaofeng shakes the head: Has thought one must accept a subversive theory, I somewhat am heavy......” “应该是阳神阁吧,防止有人道心崩溃发疯的。”薄笑风摇摇头:“一想到过一会就要去接受一个颠覆性的理论,我心里就有些沉重……” Regarding this, Qinchuan and somewhat heavyhearted: My this time heard some not good wind sound/rumor probably......” 对此,秦川和有些忧心忡忡:“我这次好像听到了一些不太好的风声……” Is a Mr .” thin Xiaofeng sighed: Calculates that Monarch coming back, perhaps is comes......” “算君。”薄笑风叹了口气:“算君这次回来,说不定就是来……” „It is not perhaps, is certain.” In the middle of the tone of Somalian colorful rainbow was full of the respect: Calculates that Monarch these can certainly rout to the sect time!” “不是说不定,是一定。”索文虹的语气当中充满了崇敬:“算君这一次一定可以击溃离宗!” A conflict must erupt shortly, actually hears a table dull thumping sound, in Su Jun yu to make an effort to buckle hand book on the table, but another hand unconscious effort grinds the fragments a manuscript paper. 眼看着一场争端又要爆发,却听得桌子一声闷响,苏君宇将手上的书用力扣在桌子上,而另一只手不自觉的用力将一张稿纸碾成碎屑。 Su Jun yu, how?” thin Xiaofeng saw Su Jun yu expression, has a scare. Su Jun yu complexion probably damn is the same, the muscle turns in the same place, the entire expression twisted. “苏君宇,怎么了?”薄笑风看到了苏君宇的表情,吓了一跳。苏君宇的脸色就好像见了鬼一样,肌肉都扭在一起,整个表情都扭曲了。 The Yuan god masters of several guards also noticed this side situation. Under the gazes of these Master Yang Shenge, Su Jun yu rapid convergence thoughts, read silently the purifying the mind incantation to surrender to move restlessly. Quick, his Huifudao energetic circle melts such as a condition again, restored the consistent calmness. 几个看守的元神宗师也注意到了这一边的情况。在那些阳神阁宗师的注视下,苏君宇快速收敛心思,默诵清心咒降服躁动。很快,他就重新恢复道精神圆融如一的状态,恢复了一贯的镇定。 thin Xiaofeng walked, asked: „Is Su Jun yu your boy this does do? One startled one for the first time.” 薄笑风走了过去,问道:“苏君宇你小子这是干嘛呢?一惊一乍的。” I...... I think a moment ago a moment ago probably this theory, might be anything!” “我刚才……我刚才好像想到了这一次理论,有可能是什么了!” „The goal of this time training?” thin Xiaofeng came the interest: What did you think of?” “这次的集训的目的?”薄笑风来了兴趣:“你到底想到了什么了?” A little shocks everybody, making me first slow meeting......” Su Jun yu press the chest, depresses startled. “有点惊世骇俗,让我先缓一会……”苏君宇按着胸口,压下其中的惊慌。 Qinchuan and also gathered with the rope colorful rainbow. Moreover, other more than ten individuals, similarly to come. The people laughter urged: Was supposes...... says a bit faster......” 秦川和和索文虹也聚了过来。另外,还有其他十多个人,也同样为了过来。众人笑声催促道:“到底是设么啊……快点说啊……” I appear explain, this idea, at present is also only an idea. I have not imagined completely, how this should go...... how to show how to say.” Su Jun yu raises a hand to brandish up and down two , indicating to emphasize: Moreover, this is also only a mentality, a mentality!” “我显得说明一下,这个想法,目前也只是一个想法。我完全没有想象出来,这个应该怎么去……怎么去证明,怎么去说。”苏君宇举起一只手上下挥舞两下,表示强调:“另外,这也只是一个思路,一个思路!” thin Xiaofeng urged: What is?” 薄笑风催促道:“到底是什么?” Around Su Jun yu imperial family, lowered the sound: You have thought that does the arithmetic have the possibility...... to have the possibility...... to be possible be is incomplete?” 苏君宇皇室四周,压低了声音:“你们有没有想过,算学本身有可能……有可能……有可能是不完备的?” Well?” “咦?” Not far away, Yang Shenge refining up the empty big grandmaster to raise the head, inquired same side: A moment ago, what did that ten thousand method member say?” 不远处,一位阳神阁的炼虚大宗师抬起头,询问身边的同门:“刚才,那个万法门修士说了什么?” Is incomplete?” “不完备?” Is incomplete right.” A grandmaster takes out passes on a message the Buddhist musical instrument, reported rapidly: By the melody in the middle, had appeared...... has not discovered the serious say/way heart vacillation phenomenon to the complete suspicion.”( To be continued ~ ~) “是不完备没错。”一个宗师取出传讯法器,迅速报告:“地被调子当中,已经出现了对完备性的怀疑……尚未发现严重的道心动摇现象。”(未完待续~~) ps: The monthly ticket monthly ticket monthly ticket ............ the mobile phone user please visit http://m.piaotian.net ps:月票月票月票…………手机用户请访问http://m.piaotian.net
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