SOD :: Volume #12

#1140: The 2nd kind crosses the border with the viewer sends into exile

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Newest website: The content that Enya spoke understood that to Gawain was not difficult, but he still after listening to fall into the long-term thinking, thought deeply about in the process, some unresolved theory was confirmed for a long time, some he thinks not the clear key node obtained the supplement, but what most important was- he confirmed finally had long before, guess that but can never determine. 最新网址:恩雅所讲的内容对高文而言理解起来并不困难,但他仍然在听完之后陷入了长时间的思索,思索过程中,一些长久以来悬而未决的理论得到了证实,一些他原先想不明白的关键节点得到了补充,而最为重要的是-他终于确认了一个很早以前就有,但始终不敢确定的猜测。 Gods is some type „loop system”, or Gods at the premise that in some civilization system establishes, is this civilization system in corresponding knowledge domain „block system”- , in a system no longer has the new cognition, when the member of this system no longer attempts to look for the answers of certain issues from the outside, but aims at the system the explanation of issue completely, the foundation that Gods is born will take shape. 神明是某种“封闭系统”,或者说,神明在某个文明体系内成立的前提,是这个文明体系在对应知识领域的“闭锁”-当一个系统中不再产生新的认知,当这个系统的成员不再尝试从外部寻找某些问题的答案,而是将问题的解释全部指向系统内部,神明诞生的基础就会成型。 Therefore, once this system transfers opening, when the extraneous information can become in the system certain issues „solution”, depends on this system and fresh Gods is then attacked immediately, rapid crazy in fatal contradiction. 因此,一旦这个系统转为开放,当外部信息可以成为系统内某些问题的“解”,依托这个系统而生的神明便会立刻遭到冲击,在致命的矛盾中迅速疯狂。 This is some similar bug deactivation advancement, or the exterior contamination injected system causes the process of collapse. 这是某种类似bug卡死进程,或外部污染注入系统导致崩溃的过程。 „Therefore, when happened finally disobediently, the ideological trend actually not radical change of community-, because jumps out of beyond the system ’ the information that only then a few ‚viewer individual, they sees cannot affect immediately on the entire ethnic group,” Gawain ended the ponder slowly, the looks at present golden color great egg said, „‚ ideological trend changes’ in finally the disobedient process is not a primary cause, even is not an efficient cause, the truly effective reason...... was Gods encountered the denial.” “所以,当最终忤逆发生时,群体的思潮其实并没有剧烈变化-因为跳出系统外的只有少数几个‘观察者’个体,他们所见的信息并不能立刻作用在整个族群身上,”高文慢慢结束了沉思,看着眼前的金色巨蛋说道,“‘思潮变化’在最终忤逆的过程中并不是个主要原因,甚至不是个有效原因,真正有效的原因……是神明自己遭到了否定。” „By my personal experience, is this,” the Enya voice said gently, as if the matter of discussion has nothing to do with oneself, „relations between ideological trend and god are quite close, between the two is not only ‚hotbed’ and ‚product’ the relations are so simple, even in some sense, Gods is the ideological trend has present melts, integration- god is the ideological trend, so long as therefore some branch in ideological trend contacted outside the system specific information, was equivalent to Gods to contact this information, if this information is unable to be denied by system own logic, that...... the collapse of system on inevitably. In.” “以我的亲身经历来看,是这样的,”恩雅嗓音柔和地说道,仿佛谈论之事与己无关,“思潮与神间的关系极为紧密,二者之间绝不只是‘温床’与‘产物’的关系那么简单,甚至从某种意义上,神明本身就是思潮的具现化、统合化-神即思潮,因此只要思潮中的某股支流接触到了系统外部的特定信息,就相当于神明接触到了这个信息,而如果这个信息无法被系统自身的逻辑所否定,那么……系统的崩溃就必然发生。” At this point, the sound that in the golden great egg broadcasts stops suddenly, she seemed like reorganizing oneself these torn to pieces memories, Gawain waited for patiently for several seconds, heard the Enya sound to resound again: „...... I still remember that the matter of last minute, when the Dragon race spaceship breaks through atmosphere, steps into after myth time no one has contacted that region......, although I have not definitely been able to control anything at that time again, even pondered that has stagnated thoroughly, but that feeling still penetrated link between Divine Attribute and human nature, deep brand mark in my memory. 说到这里,金色巨蛋中传来的声音突然停顿下来,她似乎是在整理自己那些支离破碎的记忆,高文耐心等待了几秒钟,才听到恩雅的声音再度响起:“……我还记得那最后一刻发生的事情,当龙族的飞船突破大气层,踏入在神话时代无人接触过的那片区域之后……尽管当时我已经完全无法再控制任何事情,连思考都已经彻底停滞,但那种感觉仍然透过神性和人性之间的链接,深深烙印在我的记忆中。 „ That is an ice-cold and painful tearing feeling, brings to toss into huge terrified after ice-cold strange environment from a warm comfortable environment suddenly, is born like the baby, was separated from the parent body unexpected, is facing dangerous external environment- my Divine Attribute partially has to acknowledge that existence of starry sky, recognized above crowd of star not to have the heaven, acknowledged that beside the star was wide and open ‚governs outside place’, acknowledged that own mighty force was just in the universe tiny flash on grain of dust, “那是一种冰冷而痛苦的撕裂感,带着从一个温暖舒适的环境突然被抛入冰冷陌生的环境之后的巨大惶恐,如同婴儿降生,猝不及防脱离了母体,面对着险恶的外部环境-我的神性部分不得不承认星空的存在,承认群星之上没有天国,承认星球之外是广袤无垠的‘治外之地’,承认自己的伟力只不过是宇宙中一粒尘埃上的渺小闪光, Acknowledged one do not have the significance in the vast outer space...... in very short time, the myth system that a mortals billion years of institute builds was then penetrated by the ice-cold realistic rule, the myth is unable to establish, the god is not then able to establish. ” 承认自身在浩渺的太空中毫无意义……在非常短暂的时间内,凡人们千百万年所构筑起来的神话体系便被冰冷的现实规律击穿,神话无法成立,神便也无法成立。” The Enya sound stopped, Gawain sits in her opposite, is supporting the chin by the hand, after a ponder of period of long time, he said slowly: „Therefore, if regards as an unceasing evolution civilization the system, wants this systems development certain stage, ‚Divine Attribute’ must wither away-, because Divine Attribute is being doomed closed loop, It is incompatible with the evolution direction of overall system, under we at most can retain the humane part like you.” 恩雅的声音停下了,高文坐在她的对面,以手撑着下巴,在一段长时间的思考之后,他才慢慢说道:“所以,如果将文明视作一个不断演进的系统,那么只要这个系统发展到一定阶段,‘神性’就一定要消亡-因为神性是注定闭环的,祂与整个系统的演进方向不符,我们最多也只能保留下像你这样的人性部分罢了。” „This is the obvious conclusion.” “这是显而易见的结论。” „This was brutal to Gods,” Gawain sighed gently, „seemed like anyone to have the qualifications to live, only need die brightly- you do not think that this was unfair? Like you, even if your humane part ‚is also living’, died as Gods you......” “这对神明而言过于残酷了,”高文轻轻叹了口气,“似乎谁都有资格活下来,唯有神必须死-你不认为这不公平么？就像你,哪怕你的人性部分还‘活着’,作为神明的你也死去了……” Enya silent several seconds, said in a soft voice: „God can also die, this is biggest fair.” 恩雅沉默了几秒钟,轻声说道:“神也可以死,这才是最大的公平。” The Gawain heart touches, cannot help but said: „Although says that now this possibility a little changed the subject, but our many technology helped the mortal also obtain the eternal life in the pursue......” 高文心有触动,不由得说道:“虽然现在说这个可能有点跑题,但我们的许多技术却在追求让凡人也获得永生……” „I know, even if just calculates by present Loren Continent most ancient Silver Empire, the civilization history of this season still walked for about tens of thousands years, but regarding the time scale of mortal, these tens of thousands years then can be called is eternal- the eternal life that mortal pursues is pointless in the face of the astronomy criterion, world does not exist truly eternal immortal,” Enya sinking sound said that „, but since the other hand, does not have the matter of significance in the face of the astronomy criterion, was still meaningful in front of the mortal individual, therefore this on is the reason that civilization goes forward...... raised the head to have a look at the sky, lowers the head to have a look at the under foot, will never forget its one, civilization Has an opportunity trend farther place.” “我知道,只不过即便是以如今洛伦大陆最古老的白银帝国来算,这一季的文明历史也不过才走了几万年左右,而对于凡人的时间尺度,这几万年便可以称得上是永恒-凡人所追求的永生在天文尺度面前是没有意义的,世间并不存在真正的永恒不朽,”恩雅沉声说道,“但从另一方面,在天文尺度面前没有意义的事情,在凡人个体面前仍有意义,所以这就是文明前进的理由……抬头看看天空,低头看看脚下,永远不忘其一,文明才有机会走向更远的地方。” „Relations between astronomy criteria and mortal criteria......” Gawain hesitation moment, smiled suddenly, „we obviously and are disobedient finally such real issue at the discussion ultimate god disaster, to actually studied the philosophy to come finally probably.” “天文尺度与凡人尺度之间的关系么……”高文沉吟片刻,突然笑了起来,“我们明明是在讨论终极神灾和最终忤逆这样实际的问题,到最后却好像研究起哲学来了。” Is saying him while shakes the head, after reorganizes the train of thought slightly said: „Then we can draw the conclusion, is the system of civilization this originally closed loop opens, caused ultimate god disaster ’ occurrence suddenly outward ‚, but this ‚ opening’ only needs one very slightly, but very ‚accurate’ opening, even if were only the 1-2 individuals in civilization community breaks through the system blockade to achieve the condition...... the essence of this process is not ‚person looked at one outward’, but was ‚god looked at one outward’?” 一边说着他一边摇了摇头,在略微整理思绪之后说道:“那么我们可以得出结论,是文明这个原本闭环的系统突然向外开放,导致了‘终极神灾’的发生,而这个‘开放’只需要一个很小但很‘确切’的口子,哪怕只是文明群体中的1-2个体突破了系统封锁都有可能达成条件……这个过程的本质并不是‘人向外看了一眼’,而是‘神向外看了一眼’？” „Can understand. This like grips the broken aerocyst with the needle, needle-tip perhaps is tiny, but regarding bordering on the aerocyst of limit, the overall collapse only needs a little small crack.” “可以这么理解。这就像用针去扎破一个气囊,针尖或许渺小,但对于濒临极限的气囊而言,整体的崩溃只需要那么一点小小的破口。” „Then the research institute of theocracy council can make to determine the nature of finally,” Gawain breathes a sigh of relief gently, „ we continuously in ponder sole Gods out-of-control is the result ‚god disaster’ and causes ultimate god disaster that civilization exterminates ‚’ between division, now looks like...... all these keys lies in causing Gods concretely this ‚closed-loop system’ the reason of collapse is anything. “那么神权理事会的研究院终于可以做出定性了,”高文轻轻舒了口气,“我们一直在思考单一神明失控所致的‘神灾’和导致文明灭绝的‘终极神灾’之间的划分,现在看来……这一切的关键在于导致神明这一‘闭环系统’崩溃的原因具体是什么。 „ Under loop system not destroyed premise, constitutes civilization a lot of individuals produce continual, the broad ideological trend change and gradually crosses the critical point that the system can withstand, thus causes Gods out-of-control that this/should ideological trend corresponds, like this produces is ‚god disaster’, our perhaps may call it ‚first kind of border-crossing’. “在封闭系统不被破坏的前提下,构成文明的大量个体产生连续的、广泛的思潮变化并逐渐越过系统能承受的临界点,因而导致该思潮所对应的神明失控,这样所产生的便是‘神灾’,我们或许可将其称为‘第一类越界’。 „Under loop system destroyed premise, constitutes the civilization random individual- wants is ‚ideological trend’ in individual, beyond the information to system conducts the contact that and directly is unable to deny, the logic in system is unable to deny this contact simultaneously, then this contact will cause these to establish the system collapse under closed loop premise, because all Gods establish under the closed loop premise, therefore the out-of-control of Myriad Gods rank definitely will happen in this stage, we should take it as...... ‚second kind of border-crossing’.” “在封闭系统被破坏的前提下,构成文明的任意个体-只要是‘思潮’内的个体,对系统外的信息进行直接且无法否认的接触,同时系统内的逻辑又无法否认这次接触,那么这种接触就会导致那些建立在闭环前提下的系统崩溃,而由于所有神明都是建立在闭环前提下的,所以众神级别的失控必然会在这个阶段发生,我们应将其称作……‘第二类越界’。” „Very good summary,” in golden great egg broadcasts the Enya moderate sound, „until now, collapses forcefully the carried off these lucky fellows besides ancient era Voyager, in this world all known history, once had civilization to experience the first kind to cross the border to fortunately survive incessantly, but after the second kind crosses the border still very civilization...... only has Tollund.” “很好的总结,”金色巨蛋中传来恩雅温和的声音,“迄今为止,除了上古时代起航者强行破局所带走的那些幸运儿之外,在这个世界所有的已知历史中,曾有不止一个文明经历过第一类越界而幸存下来,但在第二类越界发生之后仍然挺过来的文明……唯有塔尔隆德。” Gawain is gazing at the present golden great egg, long time said seriously: „Yes, until now.” 高文注视着眼前的金色巨蛋,良久才郑重其事地说道:“是的,迄今为止。” „Saw very much happily you had not been intimidated by this ice-cold fact, although I know from the beginning people like you will not halt in the face of this difficulty likely,” the Enya sound as if took the happy expression, that inside is mixing the sentiment of appreciation and consolation, „that confirmed ‚second kind of border-crossing’ can the boundary, to your following plan helpful?” “很高兴看到你没有被这冰冷的事实吓阻,虽然我从一开始就知道像你这样的人绝不会在这种困难面前止步,”恩雅的声音似乎带上了笑意,那里面混合着赞赏与慰藉的感情,“那么确认了‘第二类越界’的边际,对你接下来的计划可有帮助？” „Help is huge,” Gawain nods immediately, „at least, we can confirm that will launch unmanned detector not to cause system to collapse now at the outer space ‚’- stealthily crossing borders only then the wisdom individual in ideological trend can complete, in other words, only will then have the sane individual will have to become ‚viewer’ the qualifications, this will enable us to feel relieved that will handle something boldly, but......” “帮助巨大,”高文立刻点了点头,“至少,现在我们可以确认向太空发射无人探测器并不会导致‘系统崩溃’了-越界行为只有思潮中的智慧个体可以完成,换句话说,只有具备理智的个体才有成为‘观察者’的资格,这让我们可以放心大胆去做一些事情,不过……” He knits the brows at this point, the expression slightly is also strange: „perhaps is I am boring tip of cows horn, but I am very curious a matter-, even if really had ‚viewer’ to jump out of the loop system as the eye of Gods, the essence contacted the system exterior information, can't this contact really ‚deny’? Gods ‚Divine Attribute’ can still think all that the viewer sees are false, thinks that is the large-scale illusions and frauds, thinks that some strength tampered with all senses and cognition of viewer, and denied fundamentally ‚jumped out of system’ this matter to happen......” 他说到这里皱了皱眉,表情也略显怪异起来:“或许是我在钻牛角尖,但我现在挺好奇一件事-哪怕真的有‘观察者’作为神明的眼睛跳出了封闭系统,实质接触到了系统外部的信息,这种接触就真的不可‘否认’么？神明的‘神性’仍然可以认为观察者所看到的一切都是虚假的,认为那是规模庞大的幻觉和骗局,认为有某种力量篡改了观察者的所有感官和认知,并从根本上否认‘跳出系统’这件事曾经发生过……” „Were you say...... ‚quibbling’?” Enya cunning does not have the accident/surprise to Gawain this to the issue that nearly pesters endlessly actually, as if she has also pondered, „like gets buried into earth to look but not see the fact the head, through deceiving own way refused to acknowledge that these information that injected from the system, maintained the Divine Attribute self- cognition and logic by this establishes?” “你是说……‘狡辩’？”恩雅对高文这个刁钻到近乎胡搅蛮缠的问题倒是丝毫没有意外,似乎她自己也这么思考过,“像把脑袋埋进土里一样对事实视而不见,通过欺骗自己的方式拒不承认那些从系统外部注入的信息,以此来维持神性的自我认知和逻辑成立？” A Gawain face is earnest: „Isn't this good?” 高文一脸认真:“这样不行么？” „To the individual in mortal, ‚self- deceit’ is very effective escape method, sometimes even can survive in the desperate circumstances, but to Gods......” the Enya chuckle, as if brings thick self-ridiculing, „Gods could not deceive itself. We are one huge logical systems, all our establishes in ‚cognition- explanation- feedback’ in this flow foundation, this means after an information stimulation appears, even if our self- wills denied it, the feedback that this stimulation initiated...... has happened.” “对凡人中的个体而言,‘自我欺骗’是很有效的逃避手段,有时候甚至可以让人在绝望的境遇中存活下来,但对神明……”恩雅轻笑了一声,仿佛带着浓浓的自嘲,“神明骗不了自己。我们本身就是一套庞大的逻辑系统,我们所有的一切都建立在‘认知-解释-反馈’这个流程基础上,这就意味着当一个信息刺激出现之后,哪怕我们的自我意志去否认它,这个刺激所引发的反馈……都已经发生了。” Gawain is gazing at Enya: „Not a controllable spontaneous reaction?” 高文注视着恩雅:“一个不可控的自然反应？” In the golden great egg broadcasts the definite sound: „Not a controllable spontaneous reaction.” 金色巨蛋中传来确定的声音:“一个不可控的自然反应。” „Then I very curious- present you, will also be restrained this not controllable spontaneous reaction?” Gawain asked suddenly very much seriously, „whether will have some stimulation to make you lose suddenly to the control of will, making your instinct deviate the natural disposition again?” “那么我很好奇-现在的你,还会受制于这种不可控的自然反应么？”高文突然很严肃地问道,“是否还会有某种刺激让你突然失去对意志的掌控,让你的本能再次偏离本性？” „If my human nature has not partially gained the true freedom, I will not discuss these to raise the topic of self- collapse with you here sufficiently,” the Enya sound said very much lightly, „I know you are worried about anything, please relax- what you face is Tollund Great Dragon takes 1 million years of bearing patiently and lifts the clan destiny for the freedom that the price trades, if even such strikes strongly is unable to work loose the dark destiny, what that this world on does not need to track down to hope.” “如果我的人性部分没有获得真正的自由,我就不会在这里和你谈论这些足以引发自我崩溃的话题了,”恩雅声音很平淡地说道,“我知道你在担心什么,请放心-你所面对的是塔尔隆德巨龙以百万年的隐忍和举族命运为代价换来的自由,如果连这样的竭力一击都无法挣脱黑暗的命运,那这个世界也就无需追寻什么希望了。” Gawain hesitated the moment, gently nod: „...... You said right.” 高文沉吟了片刻,轻轻点头:“……你说得对。” Afterward he shouted the tone, making the topic return at first: „ I remember that we from the beginning in discussing these in the signal that in the starry sky extinguishes suddenly, we talked about two ‚filtration factor’ to cause our should the especially prosperous universe to become spacious, making the group inter-satellite then unable to see other civilization breakthrough star binding besides Voyager, one was out-of-control of Gods, another...... was magic tide. 随后他呼了口气,让话题回到最初:“我记得我们一开始是在讨论那些在星空中突然熄灭的信号,我们谈到有两个‘过滤因素’导致了我们这个本应格外繁荣的宇宙变得空旷,让群星间除了起航者之外便看不到别的文明突破星球束缚,其中一个是神明的失控,另外一个……就是魔潮。 „ Now we chat magic tide. “现在我们来谈谈魔潮吧。 „What thing is the magic tide essence? How does it sweep away and remoulds this world? Gondor Empire that disaster that 700 years ago are hit by, with can destroy the world truly ‚big magic tide’ compared with, what difference has?” “魔潮的本质到底是什么东西？它到底是如何横扫并重塑这个世界的？刚铎帝国在七百年前遭遇的那场灾难,和真正能够毁灭世界的‘大魔潮’相比,到底有什么不同？” „These issues, can present you say?” “这些问题,现在的你可以说出来么？” During the hatching fell into some time peace, Enya as if the content that considered then to say earnestly, slight humming sound the sound that the vent and magical equipment low power revolved like this peaceful was becoming obvious, such as summer afternoon breeze encirclement all around- broke this peace until Enya finally. 孵化间中陷入了一段时间的安静,恩雅似乎在认真斟酌着自己接下来要说的内容,换气装置和魔导设备低功率运转的轻微嗡嗡声在这样的安静中变得明显起来,如夏日午后的微风般环绕四周-直到恩雅终于打破这份安静。 „ I know that you conscious to that magic tide and true magic tide that past Gondor Empire encountered are actually two types of things, you are called small magic tide the former ‚’, but is called as big magic tide the latter ‚’, but in fact, difference between these two imagines you are bigger , the former actually cannot be magic tide- it is truly related with magic tide, but essentially, it is actually only one time cannot take shape before ‚, trembles’. “我知道你们已经意识到了昔日刚铎帝国遭遇的那场魔潮和真正的魔潮其实是两种事物,你们将前者称为‘小魔潮’,而将后者称作‘大魔潮’,但实际上,这两者之间的区别比你们想象的还要大,以至于前者其实根本不能算是魔潮-它确实和魔潮有关,但本质上,它其实只是一次未能成型的‘前颤’。 „ However about you cognition to the magic tide, I a little needs to correct: You think that magic tide will change the world myriad things the basic nature, this is incorrect. “而关于你们对魔潮的认知,我有一点需要纠正:你们认为魔潮会改变世间万物的基本性质,这是不对的。 „True magic tide...... is also in your mouth ‚big magic tide’, it will not actually change Material World radically- in fact, it will not even produce with any entity material alternately, it is only invisible wind, has blown the entire photostar.” “真正的魔潮……也就是你们口中的‘大魔潮’,其实它根本不会改变物质世界-事实上,它甚至不会和任何实体物质产生交互,它只是一股无形的风,吹过了整个星体而已。” The Gawain flash stared in a big way the eye, huge since astonished had even made him somewhat lose consistent the calm: „What did you say?! You said that ‚big magic tide’ actually won't affect Material World? How is this possible?!” 高文一瞬间瞪大了眼睛,巨大的惊愕甚至让他有些失去了一贯以来的淡定:“你说什么？！你说‘大魔潮’其实根本不会影响到物质世界？这怎么可能？！” „Fact truly so.” “事实确实如此。” „What that big magic tide influence is what? Doomsday that these are genuine what's the matter?” “那大魔潮影响的是什么？那些切实存在的一次次世界末日又是怎么回事？” „It affects is not the macrocosm, but is ‚viewer’ it,” the Enya sound conveys from the egg shell tranquilly, leads having been through repeatedly 1.87 million years of cold Che, „ it displaced the viewer and Material World all information contacts, made mind and real world of viewer confusedly alternately, its essence was not one storm that had the physical destruction nature, but was a coverage scope achieved the heavenly body rank...... the community sends into exile. “它影响的不是宏观世界,而是‘观察者’本身,”恩雅的声音从蛋壳中平静传来,带着一种历经一百八十七万年的冷彻,“它偏移了观察者与物质世界的所有信息接触,令观察者的心智和现实世界错乱交互,它的本质不是一场带有物理破坏性质的风暴,而是一场覆盖范围达到天体级别的……群体放逐。 „Therefore, what destruction is not a world, but is ‚the world in viewer eyes’, but if stands in viewpoint of viewer regards this process, between the two truly is the same matter.” “所以,毁灭的并不是世界,而是‘观察者眼中的世界’,但若是站在观察者的视角来看待这个过程,二者之间确实是同一件事情。”
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