Chapter 283 Mozi misgivings 第283章墨子疑云 „According to you said that if that receives tolerantly really exists, has in Yanshi, afterward crossed for 600 years to spread on Gongshu Class, later gave Mozi, because again later the Mohist school does suffer the serious suppression thorough annihilation not to know the trace? Didn't you mention from Chi You? Chi You also 72 ‚brothers who’ bites the stones to commit suicide.” black ink smiles to ask poorly. “按你所说,如果那收容物真的存在,是早在偃师的时候就有,后来过了六百年一直流传到了公输班手上,之后又给了墨子,再之后因为墨家遭受严重打压彻底湮灭而不知所踪是吗？你怎么不从蚩尤说起呢？蚩尤还有七十二个咬石吞金的‘兄弟’呢。”墨穷笑问道。 brave flies saying: „That was also too remote, does not need anything to involve upward, the pre-Qin period had the explicit record at least. Matter that Yanshi makes the prostitute, our modern people can be said as Liezi arranging, but Liezi this person has been familiar with the palace note of week royal family, if ficticious, explained that he has passed first matter of Monarch King Mu of Zhou in the arrangement, this behavior is not the minor matter.” 英飞说道:“那也太久远了,没必要什么都往上牵扯,先秦时期起码有明确记载。偃师造娼的事,我们现代人可以说是列子编得,但列子这个人可是熟读过周王室的宫注,如果是子虚乌有,说明他在编排已逝先君周穆王的事,这行为可不是什么小事。” „The story of dogged perseverance, said that is he edits the fable not to have the issue, after all discusses the matter of mountain inside average person, but also has the philosophy very much. But King Mu of Zhou hates puppet check quoted from oneself concubine's matter, if in the royal family palace note does not have few words to record, this is Liezi depending on the thing that the fantasy dares to publicize likely? At that time but the world of week royal family, Zheng was also one of the Ji states, does Liezi dare to arrange purely?” “愚公移山的故事,说是他编得寓言没有问题,毕竟是讲个山里面的普通人的事,还很有哲理。但周穆王恨木偶勾・引自己姬妾的事,若王室宫注中没有只言片语记载,这是列子光凭空想象就敢宣扬的东西吗？当时可还是周王室的天下,郑国也是姬姓诸侯国之一,列子敢这么纯编？” „First did not say that the royal family can ask him to trouble, is only in the public opinion, will have the innumerable gentlemen to reprimand, teased King Mu of Zhou ficticiously, this is challenging the bottom line of gentleman simply, at that time will certainly have countless writers to spurt this ‚keyboard hero’, but must decide on the nature of the guilt by this.” “先不是说王室会不会找他麻烦,光是舆论上,就会有无数君子斥责,子虚乌有地调侃周穆王,这简直是在挑战君子的底线,当时一定会有无数文人喷死这个‘键盘侠’,还要以此论罪。” „Edits the fable to arrange on King Mu of Zhou, this did not permit in then social convention, only if...... in the week royal family palace note, were clear about the prototype. Even possibly the quite learned person, knows that at that time has that type of thing.” “编寓言编得周穆王头上,这在当时的社会风气中是不允许的,除非……周王室宫注里,明确有原型。甚至可能当时比较博学的人,都知道有那种东西。” „Otherwise, I did not think that Liezi will write a no philosophy baseless the matter.” “否则,我不觉得列子会凭空写一个毫无哲理的事。” black ink listened to brave flying the words poorly, lowers the head the ponder. 墨穷听了英飞的话,低头沉思。 Was flown such a saying by brave, feels the good reasonable appearance...... 被英飞这么一说,感觉好有道理的样子…… Yanshi makes the prostitute, likely is Liezi mixes with real situations in many fable. 偃师造娼,很可能是列子夹杂在诸多寓言中的一则实事。 This matter, the modern people seem like, looks like fable that the Liezi brain hole opens to imagine greatly. But is this really the fable? What philosophy has? What truth spoke? 这种事,现代人看起来,就像是列子脑洞大开想象出来的寓言。但这真的是寓言吗？有什么哲理？讲了个什么道理？ Xue Tan Xueou fable, is tells people any skill is knowledge is infinite, do not have the result to be arrogant and complacent slightly. 薛谭学讴的寓言,是告诉人们任何技巧都是学无止境的,不要稍有成绩就骄傲自满。 The fable of dogged perseverance, is tells people relentless, when there's a will there's a way. 愚公移山的寓言,是告诉人们坚持不懈,有志者事竟成。 The fable of Bian Que close friend, is tells people everyone to have own strong point and weak point, must take others the length to make up for the weakness. 扁鹊换心的寓言,是告诉人们每个人都有自己的长处和短处,要取他人之长补己之短。 „Yanshi made the prostitute, emmm......” black ink thought for quite a while poorly, has not thought that this story spoke what truth. “偃师造娼,emmm……”墨穷想了半天,也没想到这个故事讲了个什么道理。 Words that must speak, that is the last few words of this fable: Lu Ban and Mozi listened to of Yanshi, does not dare to raise the superb skill again. 非要说的话,那就是这个寓言的最后一句话:鲁班和墨子听了偃师的事后,都不敢再提自己技艺高超了。 Is this philosophy that Liezi wants to say? If yes, to be redundant with ‚Xue Tan Xueou’? Moreover not that good. 这是列子想说的哲理吗？如果是,岂不是跟‘薛谭学讴’重复了？而且并没有那篇好。 Because Yanshi makes the prostitute article to speak Yanshi to offer the wooden prostitute significantly at the matter of King Mu of Zhou, only then last mentioned slightly Lu Ban and Mozi are ashamed, does not propose the skill of wooden armor. 因为偃师造娼通篇大幅度都在讲偃师献木娼于周穆王的事,只有最后一句稍微提到了鲁班和墨子羞愧,再也不提木甲之艺。 Said that this central thought is to let people should not be arrogant and complacent, is extremely really forced. 说这中心思想是让人们不要骄傲自满,实在太过牵强。 Has ‚Xue Tan Xueou’ not very well? Why the big length writes the matter of Yanshi, but also passing late king moving? 有‘薛谭学讴’不挺好的吗？何必又大篇幅写个偃师的事,还把已逝先王给搬出来？ Might as well said that Liezi is expressing: Mozi and Lu Ban have nothing well extraordinary, initially Yanshi offered a wooden prostitute to King Mu of Zhou, being able sing and dance well is fiercer than the honorable person, even moves concubine who plays Mu king. This they are not the peak of skill of wooden armor, Yanshi are. 还不如说列子是在表达:墨子和鲁班没什么好了不起的,当初偃师给周穆王献了一个木娼,能歌善舞比真人还厉害,甚至调・戏穆王的姬妾。这俩人不是木甲之艺的巅峰,偃师才是。 brave flies saying: „This is more like Liezi in showing off oneself the thing that sees in the palace note, the reality hammers Mozi to carve the insect small technique.” 英飞说道:“这更像是列子在卖弄自己在宫注里看到的东西,实锤墨子雕虫小技。” „This......” black ink smiles poorly earnestly not. “这……”墨穷笑了笑也没较真。 The morning that „pitifully Lu Ban dies, without these things that seeing Liezi said that but had Mozi noticed that did not know. However Mozi's spirit is to study the principle of skill of wooden armor, even if saw, will not care about Liezi to say. Liezi simply had not understood that Mozi's thought that the solid hammer has not hammered to the key.” brave flies to say. “可惜鲁班死的早,没看到列子说的这些东西,而墨子看没看到就不知道了。不过墨子的精神在于研究木甲之艺的原理,就算看到了,也不会在意列子所说的。列子根本没有理解墨子的思想,实锤没有锤到关键。”英飞说道。 „? You were said that Mozi's invention favored practical, as well as exploration principle?” black ink asked poorly. “哦？你是说墨子的发明更倾向于实用,以及探索原理？”墨穷问道。 British flying spot said: „Yes, Mozi once reprimanded the Gongshu Class the thing of making not to favor the person, makes wooden bird that can fly, the wood that might as well the common artisan makes governs, the wood governs to install on the car axle, the vehicle can carry a heavy load the things of 50 stones. But does the wooden bird have what actual role? The thing that the carpenter makes, benefitting being called of person to be skillful, not favors the person can only be called clumsily.” 英飞点头道:“是的,墨子曾斥责公输班所造之物无利于人,造个会飞的木鸟,还不如寻常工匠造的木辖,木辖装在车轴上,车子就可以负重五十石的东西。而木鸟有何实际作用呢？木匠做的东西,有利于人的称为巧,无利于人的只能叫作拙。” „This is Mozi attitude, even can say that is close to the spirit of science. Therefore Mozi produced the crossbow trigger mechanism and scaling ladder, the four wheeler and balance, the piston and resonator, is as for makes the research to the optics and mechanics, as well as proposed that the early atomistics...... I felt Mozi, even if receives the tolerant user, sees words that Liezi spoke, perhaps will still only laugh: You do not understand me to make anything, is not I am inferior to Yanshi, is Yanshi is inferior to me. Do not compare with Yanshi with me, he is the mediocre person who the system toys to present the powerful official.” “这是墨子态度,甚至可以说接近科学精神。所以墨子造了弩机和云梯,四轮车和天平,活塞及共振器,乃至于对光学与力学都做出研究,以及提出早期原子论……我觉得墨子就算是收容物使用者,看到列子说的话,恐怕也只会嗤笑:你根本不懂我想做什么,不是我不如偃师,是偃师不如我。不要拿我跟偃师比,他不过是个制玩物以奉权贵的庸人。” „Mozi's «Day Will» has said was very clear, the day includes the universe myriad things, the day will is the natural law. His thought that has the materialist of spirit of science, but he bright ghost...... he unified the natural law and will of the people, elaborated one type not only idealist, and materialistic theory.” “墨子的《天志》已经说的很明白了,天包罗宇宙万物,天志就是自然规律。他的思想本身,是有着科学精神的唯物主义者,但是他又明鬼……他把自然规律和人心结合了起来,阐述了一种既唯心,又唯物的理论。” black ink said poorly: „This is Mozi wants to restrain the will of the people with the bright ghost, to save the disorder that the ritual collapses is wild with joy. In order to revere the day of matter ghost, lets the person not want the doing evil matter.” 墨穷说道:“这是墨子想要用明鬼来约束人心,以挽救礼崩乐坏的乱象。以尊天事鬼,来让人不要作恶事。” brave flies saying: „Before he proposed the bright ghost, all living things do not believe that had the ghosts and gods? He is moving unnecessarily radically, with Mozi's practical personality, lets the hero more meaningful. The good and evil retribution, the day ghost did not report, Mohist school incoming telegram. The fact also showed that Ren Xia the role is bigger, at that time Mohist school disciple walk various nations, rising, the powerful officials rather stick to play tricks, does not dare to deceive the Mohist school disciple. Because the ghost may not walk to retaliate, but the Mohist school disciple is can throw the family/home to abandon the child, raises the sword to kill to visit.” 英飞说道:“难道在他提出明鬼之前,众生就不相信有鬼神吗？他根本在多此一举,以墨子的务实性格而言,任侠更有意义一些。善恶报应,天鬼不报,墨家来报。事实也证明,任侠的作用更大,当时墨家门徒行走列国,如日中天,各国权贵宁愿糊弄鬼,也不敢糊弄墨家门徒。因为鬼不一定会找上门报复,但墨家门徒是一定会给抛家弃子,提剑杀上门来的。” „In the Mohist school heyday, every has the place that the Mohists is , the public security is much better. If because does not have premeditated murder one person, the Mohists hears, must raise the sword by the report. If kills a Mohists, surrounding area hundred li (0.5 km) all Mohists will put down the hoe on own initiative, goes home to take the sword to walk. If kills off surrounding area hundred li (0.5 km) all Mohists, the national Mohists will converge in this, even more...... has to plant to kill off the world Mohists, otherwise the powerful official must die without doubt, the monarch cannot preserve.” “在墨家全盛时期,凡有墨者所在的地方,治安都好得出奇。因为若无故杀一人,墨者听闻,必提剑以报。若杀一个墨者,方圆百里所有墨者都会主动放下锄头,回家拿把剑找上门去。若是杀光方圆百里所有墨者,全国墨者都会云集于此,甚至更多……有种杀光天下墨者,否则那权贵必死无疑,国君也保不住。” „The matter of bright ghost deters the world with the ghost orally, but in fact deters the monarchies, is actually ten million/countless the Mohists, after Mohist school decline, is the bright ghost useful? If the lunatic common Mohists, is a ghost.” “明鬼之事不过是口头上用鬼来震慑世人,而实际上震慑住各国君主的,其实是千万墨者,当墨家没落后,明鬼有什么用？如疯子一般的墨者,才是鬼。” black ink knows poorly brave flying meaning, the ghost is useful, the ritual will not collapse is wild with joy. 墨穷知道英飞的意思,鬼要有用,就不会礼崩乐坏了。 Strengthens people's awe to the ghosts and gods, might as well the Confucianist strengthens the morals. 加强人们对鬼神的敬畏,还不如儒家加强道德呢。 Since Mozi Ren Xia, must know to explain that the ghost is useless, from his actions, he clearly is a practical person. Very clear awareness, the sword of Mohists, compared with the supervisory world, the day ghost who pursues a day of will is more useful. 墨子既然任侠,就不可能不知道明鬼没有用,从他的所作所为来看,他分明是个务实之人。很清楚的知道,墨者之剑,比监察世人,奉行天志的天鬼更有用。 „You want to say that Mozi in materialistic and idealist between does blow hot and cold?” black ink asked poorly. “你想说,墨子在唯物和唯心之间摇摆不定？”墨穷问道。 brave flies to shake the head saying: „No, the day will is his world outlook, the bright ghost is also his world outlook, he in day will natural law, joined a day of ghost to make up for own theory, because he thought that the light had the natural law, the unable to explain he's complete doubts, must join one idealist, according to variable that the will of the people changed, can make his ‚world model’ tend to the circle exactly.” 英飞摇头道:“不,天志是他的世界观,明鬼也是他的世界观,他只是在天志这种自然规律之中,又加入了天鬼来弥补自己的理论,因为他觉得光有自然规律,无法解释他内心全部的疑惑,必须加入一个唯心的,根据人心来变动的变量,才能让他的‘宇宙模型’趋于圆恰。” „This idea...... and does Newton have what difference?” “这种想法……和牛顿有何区别？” black ink is startled poorly, as the blue white member of society, he knows certainly that Newton is the trail blazer of blue white society thought that Newton old age research theology , because received subverted his materialistic view of science tolerantly. 墨穷一怔,作为蓝白社员,他当然知道牛顿是蓝白社思想的一个先驱者,牛顿晚年研究神学,是因为收容物颠覆了他的唯物科学观。 Newton is because contacted received such tolerantly, was not because old wanted a sustenance. 牛顿是因为接触了收容物才那样的,并不是因为老了想要个寄托。 Then...... Mozi? What did he contact? 那么……墨子呢？他接触到了什么？ „Mozi is a researcher who has the spirit of science, he with Yanshi different is, he pursues is not the product after skill of wooden armor is lifelike, but what pursues is why...... that thing...... can make wooden armor strange thing.” black ink the mentality that flies following brave said poorly. “墨子是一个有科学精神的研究者,他与偃师不同是,他追求的不是木甲之艺后的产物多么栩栩如生,而追求的是为什么……那个东西……可以制造木甲奇物。”墨穷顺着英飞的思路说道。 British flying great happiness: „Right! He and Newton same...... not, is Newton and he is the same, is using the spirit of science to study to receive tolerantly. This has what consequence, your I am well aware.” 英飞大喜道:“没错！他和牛顿一样……不,是牛顿和他一样,在用科学精神去研究收容物。这有什么后果,你我心知肚明。” black ink knows certainly poorly, studies to receive tolerantly with the scientific attitude, will be definitely vacant. 墨穷当然知道,用科学的态度去研究收容物,必然会茫然。 Because receives tolerantly often the idealist variables, for example according to the sex cognition of innermost feelings, comes retrogradation physiology the song of reverse. Yourself thought that you male, you will transfer the female. Is this what kind of idealism? 因为收容物往往有一个唯心的变量,比如根据内心的性别认知,来逆反生理的反转之歌。你自己觉得你是男的,你就会转为女的。这是何等的唯心？ Even somewhat receives tolerantly, directly is judged ‚one’ by the holder definition. For example a person, if the lower part annihilates completely, remaining one sections are ‚a person’? According to black ink knows poorly, some will receive tolerantly will judge according to the will of the people, but will cause two people to use the different effects, because thought that will be ‚half individual’, thought that will be ‚a person’, but the lower part was destroyed. 甚至有些收容物,直接由持有者来判断‘一个’的定义。比如一个人,如果下半身全部湮灭,剩下的一截算是‘一个人’吗？据墨穷所知,就有个收容物就会根据人心来判断,而导致两个人使用出不同效果,因为一个觉得那是‘半个人’,还有一个觉得那就是‘一个人’,只是下半身被毁了而已。 Why even/including Lanbai the society cannot study to receive to be tolerant this, let alone Mozi? To know its reason why is not possible. 连蓝白社都研究不出收容物为什么这样,何况墨子？想要知其所以然是不可能的。 „Mozi has inevitably has received tolerantly, but he also has the spirit of science, therefore wants from receiving tolerantly to study ‚day will’, is the natural law. He truly achieved, after all is the skill of wooden armor, summarizes the truth of some optical and mechanics, as well as makes clear the crossbow trigger mechanism and so on principle, is very normal. But stopped, he to that thing, the wooden figurine who as well as that thing derives and so on product, definitely is unable to study thoroughly.” “墨子必然持有过收容物,但他却又有科学精神,所以想从收容物身上研究出‘天志’,也就是自然规律。他确实做到了,毕竟是木甲之艺,从中总结出一些光学、力学的道理,以及搞清楚弩机之类的原理,很正常。但到此为止了,他对那个东西本身,以及那个东西所衍生的木人之类的产物,完全无法研究透彻。” „Therefore, he thought that a day of will has the slight defect, universe not all in the materialistic natural law, but must join an idealist variable. That is a day of ghost...... one type really takes the will of person as the day will of shift, namely absolute characteristics.” “所以,他觉得天志还是有瑕疵,宇宙并不是一切都在唯物的自然规律中,还要加入一个唯心的变量。那就是天鬼……一种真的以人的意志为转移的天志,即绝对特性。” Listens to brave flying the speculation, black ink to have endless emotion poorly. 听完英飞的推测,墨穷感慨不已。 Has saying that this fellow can persuade the above several times of money allocateds to support him to seek for ‚the skill of wooden armor’, but also really has the skill. 不得不说,这家伙能说动上头数次拨钱支持他寻找‘木甲之艺’,还真是有本事的。 These things that he said touch blue white She sufficiently, spending several sums of money to support. 他说的这些东西足以打动蓝白社,花几笔钱支持一下。 If by some chance found? 万一找到了呢？ However, brave Feizhao several years had not found, now are not supported. 不过,英飞找了几年也没找到,如今已经不被支持了。 „My special funds do not have, above did not make me seek to unearth pre-Qin and Han Dynasty ancient grave arbitrarily.” “我的特殊经费已经没了,上头也不让我擅自找寻挖掘先秦、汉代古墓。” „I have not given up, I discovered an ancient grave a while ago, pre-Qin, moreover visited in initially the route when Qin Shi Huang. Because is not the aristocrat grave, probably is only the grave of average person, but extraordinary big, I planned that unearths secretly......” “不过我没有放弃,我前段时间又发现了一个古墓,先秦的,而且在当初秦始皇东巡时的路线上。因为不是贵族墓,好像只是个普通人的墓,但又出奇的大,我打算私自去挖掘一下……” „...... Can the brothers support funds?” “咳咳……兄弟能不能支持点经费？” „......” The black ink poor complexion is strange. “……”墨穷面色古怪。 ...... …… p.s: Sorry. p.s:抱歉。 ( This chapter ends) (本章完)