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#789 Part 2: Ran Min? stone Min?

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Facing the inquiry of Murong Chengguang, you hesitated a say/way: „King does not need to worry, stone Min then gives us Luo to process, person who copes with this military force heyday, our Luo is quite experienced.” 面对慕容承光的询问,洛攸沉吟一番道:“大王不必过于担忧,石闵便交给我们洛氏来处理吧,对付这种武力极盛的人,我们洛氏还是比较有经验的。” you this saying to be not considered as that the person of speaking incorrectly military force heyday, most fears in fact has the disciplined army. 洛攸这话不算是说错武力极盛的人,最怕的实际上就是太有纪律性的军队。 Facing this army, is not usually able to break through the formation, finally has, because the physical strength exhausted to fall into died, Xiang Yu will also be exhausted facing the army of emerging one after another incessantly. 面对这种军队,通常都无法破阵,最后不得不因为体力耗尽而陷入死亡,就连项羽面对层出不穷的军队也会疲惫。 Only has Ji Zhao and Luo clouds can slaughter facing the army unceasingly, but also is getting stronger and stronger. 唯有姬昭和洛霄能面对大军不断杀戮,还越来越强。 Luo brave warrior and temple army, almost will not collapse, is strongest regiment that restrains this military commander. 洛氏的敢战士和神庙军,几乎都不会崩溃,是克制这种武将的最强军团。 Especially in the Luo family lord personally leads the regiment attacks, brave warrior is not completely inferior in the temple army slightest, can achieve to refuse stubbornly to retreat truly. 尤其是在洛氏家主亲自率领军团出击时,敢战士完全不逊色于神庙军分毫,能真正的做到死不退却。 After Murong Chengguang obtained the reply of you, has not left immediately, but brings some sigh with emotion saying: „Illustrious Duke, in the past I delivered your father to go out, go to eastern Liaoning, this for many years, my big swallow and cold winter city have been had also related, really has not thought before I die, but can also fight side-by-side with Luo, illustrious Duke usurped the base industry of Han Dynasty to Cao Cao in the past, what view has?” 慕容承光得到洛攸的回复后,并没有立刻离开,而是带着些许感慨的说道:“昭公,当年我送了你的父亲出关,前往辽东,这许多年来,我大燕和凛冬城也算是有所联系,实在是没想到在我死前,还能和洛氏并肩作战,昭公对曹操当年篡夺汉朝的基业,有什么看法？” Murong Chengguang this is not asking Cao Cao, this is asking itself, really has ulterior motives, you know certainly, therefore hesitates one saying: „ Cao Cao has not usurped the base industry of Han Dynasty, his base industry is hits. 慕容承光这可不是在问曹操,这是在问自己,实在是醉翁之意不在酒,洛攸当然知道,于是沉吟一番说道:“曹操没有篡夺汉朝的基业,他的基业都是自己打下来的。 He could not be King Wen, Liu Xie was not man (Han) filial piety Emperor Hui, cannot castigate Cao Cao. 他做不了洛文王,刘协也不是汉孝惠皇帝,不应当去苛责曹操。 In fact Luo has been pondering why a national Wang Chaozhong, the king and official will always fall into this mutually hostile relations. 实际上洛氏一直在思考,为什么一个国家王朝中,君王和臣子总是会陷入这种相互敌对的关系。 Luo has been pondering an issue, if the country, they can achieve true fair, letting these talented people hold the post of high position, achieved antiquity that turning over the throne to another system, can that this country powerful to the extreme? 洛氏一直在思考一个问题,如果有一个国家,他们能够做到真正的公平,让那些有才能的人担任高位,达到上古那种禅让的制度,那这个国家会不会强大到极点呢？ We do not know that can have such country, but each can cause the country that the talent makes the best use of things, more approaches such degree, that this country is powerful. 我们不知道会不会有这样的国家,但每一个能使贤才物尽其用的国家,越是靠近这样的程度,那这个国家就越是强大。 Will the country why the wise king rules be getting more and more powerful? 为什么英明的君王所统治的国家会越来越强大呢？ Because the wise monarchy dares to use these powerful officials, but the stupid monarchy worry official usurps his position, therefore then kills these officials all, finally makes the country decline. ” 因为英明的君主敢于使用那些强大的臣子,而昏庸的君主担心臣子篡夺他的地位,于是便将那些臣子尽数杀死,最终使国家衰落下去。” you said a big pile voluminous, but actually not directly responded to Murong Chengguang issue, from you idea at heart, he naturally was thinks that usurped the throne no issue, the incompetent king will only injure someone to cause self infliction, particularly in the tumultuous times, the useless person should the driving point yield, a world non- person of the world, but was the world of the world person. 洛攸洋洋洒洒的说了一大堆,但却没有正面的回应慕容承光的问题,从洛攸心里的想法来看,他自然是认为篡位没什么问题,无能的君王只会害人害己,尤其是在乱世的时候,没用的人就应该自己主动一点让位,天下非一人之天下,而是天下人的天下。 But this type quite does not conform to the reply of core value, naturally cannot say, then the injury to the society is really big. 但这种相当不符合核心价值观的回答,当然是不能说出来的,那对社会的伤害实在是过于大。 But Murong Chengguang was a smart person, he listened to the meaning in you words, this answer made him quite satisfy. 但慕容承光是个聪明人,他听出了洛攸话中的意思,这个答案让他相当的满意。 He said with a smile: „ In the past the ancestor established Zhou Dynasty, then the fertile land will grant business the descendant of dynasty, granted the descendant of summer dynasty, making the descendants of Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors be able to enjoy the sacrificial offering, I always think that this was worth advocating, Caowei gave the monarchy of Han Dynasty to revere the position, this was the correct matter that Caowei handled, therefore I think that Caowei was the successor of Han Dynasty, but the man (Han) country, is actually not considered as that the successor of Han Dynasty. 他笑着说道:“当年您的先祖建立周王朝,然后将肥沃的土地赐予了商王朝的后裔,赐予了夏王朝的后裔,让三皇五帝的子孙都能够享有祭祀,我一向认为这是值得提倡的,曹魏给予了汉朝的君主尊位,这是曹魏所做的正确的事情,于是我认为曹魏是汉朝的继承者,而汉国,却不算是汉朝的继承者。 I think that Cao Cao should not change oneself dynasty name, if he uses the dynasty name of man (Han), then the name of man (Han) will not gather at man (Han) country's completely, this is Cao Cao's mistake. 我认为曹操不应该改变自己的国号,如果他使用汉的国号,那么汉的名义就不会全部聚集在汉国的旗下,这是曹操的错误。 If some day the Murong people can become the emperor, I will continue to use the dynasty name of swallow, I will inform everyone, my Murong people continue the state of Yan, but Yan will obtain the new surname, this perhaps is the most correct means. ” 如果有朝一日慕容氏能够成为皇帝,我会继续使用燕的国号,我会昭告所有人,我慕容氏就是承接燕氏的社稷,而燕氏将得到新的姓氏,这或许才是最正确的办法。” Changes not to change the reigning dynasty the name? 改氏不改国朝的名字？ Always wonderful idea quite many you were silent, Murong Chengguang the idea also really quite blasted open, making the imperial family change, was the brain circuit of this rare and beautiful flowers the person can want to come out? 就连一向奇思妙想比较多的洛攸都沉默了,慕容承光的这个想法还真的是比较炸裂,让皇族改氏,这种奇葩的脑回路是人能想出来呢？ But has saying that you thought Murong Chengguang this means were very wonderful are very wonderful. 但不得不说,就连洛攸都觉得慕容承光这个办法很妙很妙。 „The idea of king is very good, does the instigator, it have no children? The kings kindly treated the previous dynasty imperial family, will naturally bring the good luck to own descendants, these bloody treated previous dynasty the imperial family brutally, certainly will be punished by Heaven.” “大王的想法很好,始作俑者,其无后乎？大王善待前朝的皇族,自然会给自己的子孙带来好运,那些血腥残酷对待前朝皇族的,一定会受到上天的惩罚。” In Murong Chengguang words to two king three this system suitable esteems, this showed respectfully Murong Chengguang is not willing to conduct bloody changing from one dynasty to another, this is Luo has esteemed. 慕容承光话中对二王三恪这个制度相当的推崇,这证明慕容承光不愿意进行血腥的改朝换代,这是洛氏所一直推崇的。 The bloody coup d'etat has the endless injury to the entire country. 血腥的政变对整个国家都有着无尽的伤害。 Some people esteem that big clean, thinks the common people who that clean will not affect the floor, will instead make the high level vacate many positions, can enormous degree the exchanges of various promotion classes. 有的人推崇那种大清洗,认为那种清洗并不会影响底层的百姓,反而会让高层空出很多位置,能够极大程度的促进各阶层的交流。 This suitable mistake, in a tense political environment, everyone will in fact lack the security sense. 这实际上相当的错误,在一个紧张的政治环境中,所有人都会缺乏安全感。 After anyone high-rank, can think killed off the previous dynasty person, was not only a monarchy, but also had these loyal officials, the talent in entire country passed through rounds after slaughtering, finally loss completely. 任何一个人上位后,都会想着杀光前朝的人,不仅仅是君主,而且还有那些忠诚的臣子,整个国家的人才经过一轮轮的经过杀戮,最后损失殆尽。 The people are impossible only to think the farm, handwork and peddler forever. 人不可能永远只想着种地、手工、行商。 Any person, was yearning walks upward, but if everyone pursues „on”, merely is the situation that escapes to kill greatly, is the thing that person of institute pursues what? 任何一个人,都向往着往上走,但如果所有人追求的“上”,就仅仅是一个大逃杀的场合,那人所追求的东西又算是什么呢？ The system that gentle and can replace was the reasonable system, Luo once carried off Xiang Yu's descendants, to prevent restoration repugnantly, Luo restored, calling it will play to depend on the behavior, thinks that was one type harms the political ecology extremely the behavior. 一个平和而能够替换的体制才算是合理的制度,洛氏曾经将项羽的子孙带走,就是为了防止复辟,洛氏最反感的就是复辟,将之称之为玩赖行为,认为是一种极度破坏政治生态的行为。 If restores really exists, the imperial family only means of that new high-rank are to kill off on a imperial family of dynasty. 如果复辟真的存在,那新上位的皇族唯一的办法就是杀光上一朝的皇族。 Emperor martial is not only considered as the restoration, at that time among the world did not have the new emperor, Liu Bei to say from the beginning must promote the ancestor and relative in man (Han) room, from beginning to end, has not changed. 光武皇帝不算是复辟,那时天下间本来就没有新的皇帝,刘备是从一开始就说要振兴汉室的宗亲,从头至尾,不曾改变。 But if besides the man (Han) country, holds the flag of man (Han) to come the free person now, that Luo clear opposition, will certainly oppose person who any tries to do the restoration. 但如果现在除了汉国之外,还有打着汉的旗帜来招摇的人,那洛氏一定会旗帜鲜明的反对,反对任何试图搞复辟的人。 Murong Chengguang and you two people as if forgot this is ordinary at the present war, actually chatted in the army directly, Murong Chengguang the say/way of fusion to the swallow person and Hu people mentioned carefully, but you for him told now Han people's formation, as well as for a lot of years from the Bang Zhou period to the present, the change of each ethnic group, provide some mentalities to him. 慕容承光和洛攸两人似乎忘记了这场就在眼前的战争一般,就在军中竟然直接聊了起来,慕容承光将自己对燕人和胡人的融合之道细细讲出,而洛攸则为他讲述如今汉人的形成,以及千百年来从邦周时期到现在,各个族群的变化,给他提供一些思路。 Two people more chatted are more congenial, Murong Chengguang many ideological unusual conjunction Luo thought that you heard to sigh with emotion finally slightly: „King, you most essential matter, is trains one to have the successor of same thought with you now, so long as can guarantee that the Murong people have three generations of enlightened rulers, Yan Country at least can north a series.” 二人越聊越投机,慕容承光的很多思想都非常的契合洛氏的思想,洛攸听到最后微微感慨道:“大王,你现在最关键的事情,就是培养一个和你有着相同思想的继承人,只要能保证慕容氏有三代英主,燕国至少能一统北方。” - -- Emperor and you entirely word national affairs, really happy, the emperor to think of startled you wonderfully, you are sighs said: „King has the Saint posture, when there is an imperial undertaking, causes three generations of Xian, has the world.”- «History of Northern Dynasties swallow Benji» 帝与洛攸俱言国事,甚欢,帝以妙思惊攸,攸乃叹曰:“王有圣姿,当有帝业,使三代贤君,乃有天下。”-《北史・燕本纪》 ( This chapter ends) (本章完)
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