WIIC :: Volume #3

#81: To even/including sect, the struggle of idea

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Feng Luoyi after listening to king Qi the words, is lost in thought unexpectedly. After a while, his face earnest asking: „king Qi, you solid replied that I an issue- ‚logical system is bigger is stronger, is incomplete is more obvious’, are you this meaning? Did you have the new idea?” 冯落衣在听了王崎的话之后,竟陷入了沉思。过了一会,他一脸认真的问道:“王崎,你老实回答我一个问题-‘逻辑系统越大越强,其中不完备就越明显’,你是这个意思吗？你有新想法了？” king Qi instinct wants to nod, but hit to startle immediately: „, I am not only when showed that first-order complete has such idea indistinctly-, because can only prove now first-order complete, can therefore believe now, first-order outside is incomplete.” 王崎本能的想点头,但随即打了个激灵:“不不不,我只是在证明一阶完备的时候隐约有这么个想法-因为现在只能证明一阶完备,所以现在可以认为,一阶以外都是不完备的。” The Goodall incomplete theorem do not take is quite good before having a thorough understanding. Ejects thing that oneself have not completely understood, many a little courts death. 哥德尔不完备定理在吃透之前还是不要拿出来比较好。抛出自己没有完全理解的东西,多少有点找死。 Feng Luoyi knits the brows, as if not like this answer very much: „Do you know by what? Intuition?” 冯落衣皱眉,似乎很不喜欢这个答案:“你靠什么知道的？直觉吗？” king Qi the first response laughs: „Intuition? But how......, is not the intuition, this is my, volume, is not the suspicion, should be able to be one of the next stage goals, starts from the completeness.” 王崎第一反应就是嗤笑:“直觉？怎么可……不不不,不是直觉,这是我个人的,额,也不是猜想,应该可以算是下一阶段的目标之一吧,从完备性入手。” Front, does not seem to like the intuition the view...... 面前这位,似乎不喜欢直觉的说法吧…… „Your this custom is not very good, but how also without the thing of proof can, be able to regard the known conclusion to use?” Feng Luoyi then look slightly slow, he reproved king Qi one, asked: „One? What also has?” “你这个习惯很不好,还没证明的东西怎么能够,能够当成已知结论去使用？”冯落衣这才神色稍缓,他还是训斥了王崎一句,才问道:“之一吗？还有什么？” „I prepare to do the large number law with Junior Sister thin together, then, the younger generation joined a real diagnosis section recently, must do the operation statistics and system theory.” “我准备和薄师妹一起搞一搞大数律,然后还有,晚辈最近加入了一个实证部,说不定要搞一搞算理统计和系统论了。” „Large number law is a good topic, the statistics and large number law should have the combining site, was system theory topic is too big.” Feng Luoyi criticized king Qi several. “大数律是个好题目,统计和大数律应该有结合点,可是系统论这个题目太大了。”冯落衣又批评了王崎几句。 „My this not beside school, without goal?” Saying that king Qi is smiling: „To the cultivating family/home that my type and the powder cultivates no difference, lacks the resources, two lack the direction, without the general orientation, can only see anything to study anything.” “我这不是在门派之外,没有目标吗？”王崎嬉皮笑脸的说道:“向我这种和散修没啥区别的修家,一缺资源,二缺指点,没有大方向,只能看见什么就研究什么了。” „Opens the dye house to two points of color.” Feng Luoyi said with a smile: „You also little installed to feel sorry, that paper that yesterday handed over was very good, exchanging the number and quotation number will not be few, 1-2 months later, you even rich and powerful people in practicing breathing exercises period disciple.” “给两分颜色就开染坊。”冯落衣笑道:“你也少装可怜了,那昨天交上去的那篇论文很好,兑换数和引用数都不会少,1-2月之后,你在练气期弟子中就算是富豪了。” thin Xiaoya cheers: „Good! The Senior Brother this treatment, always makes me have to plant now let his feeling initially white/in vain.” 薄筱雅欢呼:“好呀！师兄现在这个待遇,总让我有种当初白让他的感觉。” Feng Luoyi looked at one, said: „Moreover, Greek gate Lord decision to you a nomination- in January of next year, enjoying.” 冯落衣又看了一眼,说道:“另外,希门主决定给你一个提名-明年一月,道器之赏。” „Next year? Originally is next year......” king Qi just expresses to the time somewhat surprisedly, enjoying is actually very instead surprised regarding. “明年？原来就是明年啊……”王崎只不过对时间表示有些惊讶,对于道器之赏反倒不是特别吃惊。 Enjoying, the position generally is equivalent to Fields Prize of Earth- is also „world of mathematics Nobel prize”. 道器之赏,地位大抵相当于地球的“菲尔茨奖”-也就是“数学领域的诺贝尔奖”。 Just, Fields rewards to define that the age of prize-winner, only rewards 40 years old a young mathematics circles. Enjoying is also the same, below special reward Yuan god period young member. 40 years old almost also arrived at a mathematician to have the age of result, but the member of gold/metal pill period was also far from the life most magnificent time, the academic status that therefore enjoyed somewhat was slightly low. 只不过,菲尔茨奖限定获奖者的年纪,只奖励四十岁一下的年轻数学界。道器之赏也一样,专门奖励元神期以下的年轻修士。只是四十岁差不多也到了一个数学家出成绩的年纪,而金丹期的修士还远远没到一生最辉煌的时候,所以道器赏的学术地位略有些低。 The Goodall complete theorem, taking a Fields rewards is also in the reason. 哥德尔完备定理,拿下一个菲尔茨奖也是情理之中。 Feng Luoyi looks at king Qi: „Seeming like your confidence is very full. However said, you want to take evil ways to enjoy also are really a little difficult. Ten thousand method internal opposition sound will be very loud.” 冯落衣看着王崎:“看起来你信心很足啊。不过说真的,你想要拿下道器赏还真是有点困难。万法门内部的反对声音会很大的。” thin Xiaoya is puzzled: „senior brother is very obviously fierce, absolutely is the peer's first person, the elder brothers do not have him.” 薄筱雅不解:“师兄明明很厉害啊,绝对是同辈第一人,哥哥都没他强。” „This is the dispute of faction.” “这是派系之争。” thin Xiaoya is very puzzled. The Bo juniors will never understand „fighting for power and profit” this matter. When others family/home, for position of the head of household manipulates strategically wishes one could to kill entire family, Bo already head of household position, when the burden, stumbling obstacle and dog shit threw down casually- because thin Yuehan was stuck a face to bear a grudge the elder brother by the thin song of solomon with the dog shit long ago for a lifetime. 薄筱雅很是不解。薄家子弟永远不会理解“争权夺利”这种事的。当别人家为了一个家主之位勾心斗角恨不得杀全家的时候,薄家就已经把家主位置当包袱、绊脚石和狗屎随便乱扔了-薄月翰就因为早年被薄雅歌用狗屎糊了一脸而记恨兄长一辈子。 „This is the struggle and idea struggle of main road.” Feng Luoyi looks to thin Xiaoya: „Small girl, I and some king Qi also things must discuss, related to the gate service of ten thousand methods- what matter do you have?” “这是大道之争、理念之争。”冯落衣又看向薄筱雅:“小丫头,我和王崎还有些事情要谈一谈,涉及万法门的门务-你还有什么事吗？” Clearly, the following issue did not suit to her says. Although thin Xiaoya has doubts very much, but sets out to salute: „Such being the case, the younger generation first asked to be excused.” 很明显,后面的问题就不适合对她说了。薄筱雅虽然很疑惑,但还是起身行礼:“既然如此,晚辈就先告退了。” After thin Xiaoya the form disappears, Feng Luoyi asked king Qi: „What do you know now law struggle of the biggest idea are?” 薄筱雅的身影消失之后,冯落衣就问王崎:“你知道今法内部最大的理念之争是什么吗？” „Can be the indistinct palace and normalizing pledge controversy?” king Qi said: „Too a day reveres, quantum to respect authority the Ylha luxuriant village to discuss the sword three times, then fluctuates day of Monarch also ’ the difficult problem to blame the indistinct palace by ‚ lives and dies......” “应当是缥缈宫和归一盟的论战吧？”王崎说道:“太一天尊、量子尊师于尔蔚庄三度论剑,然后波动天君又以‘既生且死’的难题诘难缥缈宫……” Feng Luoyi shakes the head: „Does not permit the Daoist to bring ruin and shame upon oneself because of the assist demon sovereign, the indistinct palace will of the people have dispersed. However in other words , too a day revered to meet the issue of unwinding, his theory was also in imminent danger. In brief, this controversy had ceased all activities, everyone knowledge and other final results.” 冯落衣摇头:“不准道人因为襄助魔皇而身败名裂,缥缈宫人心已经散了。但是反过来说,太一天尊遇上了绕不开的问题,他的理论也岌岌可危。总之,这一场论战已经偃旗息鼓了,大家都知识在等最后的结果。” „If said that ‚like a raging fire’, how ten thousand method interior......” king Qi actually cannot remember also has what controversy to be able compared with this series of also big. “若说‘如火如荼’,万法门内部……”王崎却怎么都想不起还有什么论战能比这个一系列还大。 „Your this child, seem like the indistinct palace or the normalizing pledge hanger-on. Initially and indistinct controversy quite, I assisted indistinctly, Greek gate Lord assist quite, but I was like the Greek gate Lord operation. The arithmetic is a main road, can exceed the principle of gifts of heaven circulation, clear” Feng Luoyi helpless saying: „You may know, ancient Shujia is divided into two, one is even/including sect, one is to the sect.” “你这孩子,倒像是缥缈宫或者归一盟的门下了。当初相形、飘渺论战,我襄助飘渺,希门主襄助相形,可我和希门主算理是一样的。算学才是大道,是可以超越天物流转之理的,明白么”冯落衣无奈的说道:“你可知道,古数家就是分成两宗的,一为连宗,一为离宗。” „even/including sect believes, a world body, the myriad things are continual. Thinks the world to be separate to the sect, is ordinary like the natural number, one and between two nothing.” “连宗认为,天地一体,万物连续。离宗则认为天地离散,如同自然数一般,一和二之间没有任何东西。” „even/including Zonghe in fact passed through the history of say/way of entire arithmetic to sect the struggle of idea, but today.” Feng Luoyi referred to itself: „Now representative who I, the Greek gate lord, leaves the sect, you can also manage ‚us’ to call the logical faction. Naturally, in very many eyes, present to the sect, is the song courtyard.” “连宗和离宗的理念之争实际上贯穿了整个算学之道的历史,而今天。”冯落衣指了指自己:“我,希门主,都是当今离宗的代表,你也可以管‘我们’叫逻辑派。当然,在很很多人眼里,现在的离宗,就是歌庭。” king Qi the mouth opens enormously, like dislocated jaw generally. 王崎嘴巴张得极大,如同下巴脱臼了一般。 Waits, I neglected anything probably...... 等一下,我好像忽略了什么…… Struggle of even/including Zongli the sect places in the Earth history, is „how much and number” controversy, behind develops Newton, Leibniz „how much to be direct-viewing, algebra is abstract” difference, again is „intuitionism, structuralism and logicism”...... 连宗离宗之争放在地球历史里来看,就是“几何与数”的论战,后面发展到牛顿、莱布尼茨“几何直观、代数抽象”的分歧,再然后就是“直觉主义、结构主义、逻辑主义”…… Just, „intuitionism and structuralism” cannot fight eventually, the reason is the structuralism and logicism develops and intuitionism meets as an equal, is Hilbert's rising time, Von Neumann also joined the logicism, the son intuitionism happen to does not have the Grandmaster...... 只不过,“直觉主义和结构主义”终究没能战起来,原因是结构主义、逻辑主义发展到和直觉主义分庭抗礼的时候,正是希尔伯特如日中天的时候,紧接着冯诺依曼也加入了逻辑主义这边,儿直觉主义却正好没有大师…… However, the intuitionism school of Earth just „happen to does not have” Grandmaster, rather than „never”. Henry Poincarb lives early, not only missed the long-awaited physics big leap, but also just misses with Hilbert such opponent. 但是,地球的直觉主义流派只不过“正好没有”大师,而不是“从来没有”。亨利・庞加莱生得太早,不只是错过了自己梦寐以求的物理学大飞跃,还与希尔伯特这样的对手失之交臂。 But, the cultivating family/home of divine land does not have the life problem...... 可是,神州的修家不存在寿元问题啊…… king Qi trembling asking: „Is Teacher Feng, difficult to be inadequate the Greek gate lord is the plan leads you and huge Menzhu has done?” 王崎颤颤巍巍的问道:“冯老师,难不成希门主是打算带领你们和庞门主做过一场？” Feng Luoyi is amazed: „It is not ‚we’, is ‚we’. A your paper round, no matter what everybody will regard our you.” 冯落衣惊诧:“不是‘我们’,是‘咱们’啊。你这篇论文一发出去,任谁都会把你当成我们这一路的。” king Qi a black, danger falls down at present. 王崎眼前一黑,险险栽倒。 ----------------- ----------------- 1 Poincarb's life is the lonely life, the top mathematician always likes running up to the physics domain to mix a foot, demonstrates the intelligence quotient to be surplus, but Poincarb is at the things from a former age Neo-Confucianism to develop the time of bottleneck, no good breakthrough point. When Einstein results in the new round of innovation, he already gradually old, calculated motionless. Moreover, he also missed Hilbert's such opponent. What level does his time arrange the second mathematician is? 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